Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[GenericUsername202]

10-20 is a bit much. 15-20 perhaps, sure.

I suspect this is where the end of first round request comes in as I predicted a page earlier. Enables us to get Starc without Brisbane getting reamed.

It in itself brings up other questions of fairness from sides outside of our two, but I suspect it will be the least bad solution the AFL comes up with.


For the record, I'd rather NOT get Starcevich than do what we did last year for Liam Baker and give up an organic first round pick that we had to trade down for / trade someone out for.

The AFL are well known for making deals that benefit two teams, while screwing the rest of the comp. The pick 2 compo for Allen is basically the best recent evidence of that. i'm sure the AFL are well aware of the eagles need for assistance, and will fashion something that benefits them, like a tradable first round pick.

 

[Mop]

The AFL are well known for making deals that benefit two teams, while screwing the rest of the comp. The pick 2 compo for Allen is basically the best recent evidence of that. i'm sure the AFL are well aware of the eagles need for assistance, and will fashion something that benefits them, like a tradable first round pick.

Pick 2 for Allen while a joke is the natural pre existing mechanism. His reported salary meets the existing criteria. Where's the contention?

 

[amazingjoshy]

The fact of the matter is, West Coast needs to trade for Starce. They would lose pick 2 if they didn't. Secondly, if you're paying 1million+ per year for a player, it means you value him around the pick 10-20 range. So something like that would need to come our way. Yes, we would get nothing if we traded him elsewhere (assuming we don't match) but the eagles would lose a lot more than we would considering they need pick 2.

Where's the 1m figure coming from?

 

[bzparkes]

West Coast get stronger.

I ****ing well hope so.

 

[Mop]

Where's the 1m figure coming from?

What Essendon were rumoured to have offered. 1-1.1. One media article

 

[amazingjoshy]

West Coast get stronger.

We might get 1 win and a draw next year

 

[Rich01]

This isn't about winning a flag, this is about being competitive for the sake of the competition.

If that’s the case, forget about asking for draft picks and free access for NGAs as drafting more kids won’t move the dial in the short term.

Allow extra list spots for DFAs to give the club some leverage to pick up some retreads to instantly improve the 22.

Give away a couple of sets of second rounders this year and next that have to be traded for experienced players that could attract the likes of AhChee, Starcevich, McVee, Marshall etc. I haven’t heard the West Coast list management team being agressuve at all this trade period though.

But doing the above wouldn’t appease the great unwashed. They don’t really want to be a bit more competitive in the short term do they? That’s not what this is all really about.

They would prefer to be rubbish for 2-3 more years and get good draft picks to build for the future. And to be honest, that’s what I’d want for your club too.

So let’s not pretend these picks are about making West Coast more competitive next year. It’s to give them a competitive advantage in their quest for their next flag tilt in 7-8 years time.

 

[Mop]

If that’s the case, forget about asking for draft picks and free access for NGAs as drafting more kids won’t move the dial in the short term.

Allow extra list spots for DFAs to give the club some leverage to pick up some retreads to instantly improve the 22.

Give away a couple of sets of second rounders this year and next that have to be traded for experienced players that could attract the likes of AhChee, Starcevich, McVee, Marshall etc. I haven’t heard the West Coast list management team being agressuve at all this trade period though.

But doing the above wouldn’t appease the great unwashed. They don’t really want to be a bit more competitive in the short term do they? That’s not what this is all really about.

They would prefer to be rubbish for 2-3 more years and get good draft picks to build for the future. And to be honest, that’s what I’d want for your club too.

So let’s not pretend these picks are about making West Coast more competitive next year. It’s to give them a competitive advantage in their quest for their next flag tilt in 7-8 years time.

Its both, no? Starcevich doesn't help a flag tilt, does he?

 

[Rich01]

Its both, no? Starcevich doesn't help a flag tilt, does he?

How competitive would will the West Coast proposal make them next year vs set them up for longer term? It’s much more heavily weighted to a long term flag tilt than being competitive next year. Even the most one eyed supporter like yourself can see that.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How competitive would will the West Coast proposal make them next year vs set them up for longer term? It’s much more heavily weighted to a long term flag tilt than being competitive next year. Even the most one eyed supporter like yourself can see that.

A few of the things we are asking for should be rule changes across the board. Each club should get 2 Cat B rookie spots for Indigenous players to increase numbers and free agency shouldn’t dilute picks if you get a free agent yourself . It makes no sense

Rest is just what North got vut hope we are smart enough to trade players in. We all want that but no one wants to join is the issue

 

[PrancingPony]

What do Brisbane fans think he is worth? Wouldn't mind us inquiring.

 

[blueiris]

What do Brisbane fans think he is worth? Wouldn't mind us inquiring.

He's worth a pick inside 20

 

[Miluxx]

What do Brisbane fans think he is worth? Wouldn't mind us inquiring.

You will need to understand most brisbane fans don't want to see him leave and value him very highly in our team ecosystem. We can't keep them all. But anything just after the first round would be a great start.

 

[Toffee Lion]

He's worth a pick inside 20

And it's not picks 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 or 19.

 

[stallon]

I don’t agree that if a system is broken, you just make it worse. That’s pretty much what Eagles supporters are arguing here.

Giving a team that has been unfairly negatively affected by the rules a leg up to catch them up some isnt making it worse.
Its fixing some of the damage, fixing the system is something else

 

[Obeanie1]

I’m not unsympathetic to circumstances that your team is currently in, I’ve witness my team being on that side of the ledge for well over a decade. I think a lot of the equalisation system are inherently broken and don’t achieve what they’re designed.

My point was Essendon are not only benefiting from the same system this year with Draper, but have been hugely beneficial just two years ago. The system is there for all.

Why do you think teams should be hard capped in Free Agency, surely the Salary Cap largely provides this ?
The teams that are the beneficiaries have their salary caps well managed, and put simply don’t offer 3rd year players 2mil/year contracts

Clubs should be hard capped on the accumulation of draft / trade assistance because it's double and triple dipping.

Clubs accessing multiple 1st rounders every year now get 3 years of rookie wages. That then frees up cap space to afford free agents. Only certain expansion clubs hold that advantage.

Academies were allowed initially because new Clubs didn't have father sons. So why does Brisbane still gain academy kids at a discount on top of father sons who they have absolutely smashed out of the park in the past three years. Gun father sons who helped them win a premiership on rookie wages.

So all those 1st round academy kids and father sons provides quality youth that contribute early and it frees up cap space to buy free agents.

That is not equalisation.

 

[Elixuh]

I doubt Freo can match whatever WCE are offering

 

[Rich01]

Giving a team that has been unfairly negatively affected by the rules a leg up to catch them up some isnt making it worse.
Its fixing some of the damage, fixing the system is something else

Adelaide, Richmond, West Coast and Collingwood all played off in grand finals in 2017 and 2018. Tell me how West Coast deserve more draft picks over the others? Because of poor list management?

 

[WestCoast05]

The AFL are well known for making deals that benefit two teams, while screwing the rest of the comp. The pick 2 compo for Allen is basically the best recent evidence of that. i'm sure the AFL are well aware of the eagles need for assistance, and will fashion something that benefits them, like a tradable first round pick.

How is this a 'deal'?

This is already the system that all 18 clubs have access to.

 

[stallon]

Adelaide, Richmond, West Coast and Collingwood all played off in grand finals in 2017 and 2018. Tell me how West Coast deserve more draft picks over the others? Because of poor list management?

You dont understand what a priority pick is clearly

Adelaide were very fortunate to be able to trade in their best 2 players for unders at the perfect time in their rebuild
Richmond played in a grand final in 2020, theyll probably be asking in a year or 2 for picks. Their performances havent fallen off like the Eagles did due to the health of their older players.
Pies same as Richmond stayed healthy, and they got NDaicos.

Yeah bud its entirely the eagles fault that basically ALL of their best players died or did a good impression of it after 2020/2021, dumb list managers.

 

[Rich01]

You dont understand what a priority pick is clearly

Adelaide were very fortunate to be able to trade in their best 2 players for unders at the perfect time in their rebuild
Richmond played in a grand final in 2020, theyll probably be asking in a year or 2 for picks. Their performances havent fallen off like the Eagles did due to the health of their older players.
Pies same as Richmond stayed healthy, and they got NDaicos.

Yeah bud its entirely the eagles fault that basically ALL of their best players died or did a good impression of it after 2020/2021, dumb list managers.

So the difference between West Coast and the other clubs is inferior list management?

 

[stallon]

So the difference between West Coast and the other clubs is inferior list management?

To think, people like you are able to vote

 

[Pns_blister]

I miss the days where WC were getting Starcevich for a token pick in the 50s or walking him to the PSD.

 

[Barrybran]

I miss the days where WC were getting Starcevich for a token pick in the 50s or walking him to the PSD.

I'm surprised that even West Coast fans are saying late first / early second. If any other club were to offer Starcevich a contract and Brisbane don't match, Brisbane won't get anything for him. I suggested the Hawks' R3 as at least Brisbane would get something for him then.

 

[mattsmob]

I miss the days where WC were getting Starcevich for a token pick in the 50s or walking him to the PSD.

Forgot about bidding on Annable