Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Golden_6]

Edmund has historically been the mouthpiece the club has used when it wants to get information to the public.

It's clearly true (they wouldn't just make it up). The fact that Wilkie is taking the phone call suggests he is actually thinking about it. I think when push comes to shove he'll decide to stay with a better contract at the Saints but it's not dead in the water.

 

[Doggy]

Even though Wilkie won't move, the fact it is lighting another fire under Saints supporters is worth it

 

[Shacf501]

Whether the Wilkie gambit comes to anything or not.

It makes me very uncomfortable as a bulldogs supporter as we enter an age where contracts mean nothing. One where free agents are already coalescing around the teams that have historically been the competitions dominant sides. Or where mid tier teams are forced to pay over the odds for equally mid-tier players just to sell hope to a supporter base that sees a game becoming increasingly difficult to draft and develop their way back to competitiveness.



You listen to anybody who is offering you at anywhere between $300k and a choose your own price blank cheque more than your current employer.

In the current climate, Wilkie holds all the cards over the Bulldogs and to a lesser extent St.Kilda. Especially so with us given the amount of pressure that we'll come under should we not land a KPD of note in the coming trade period. To be honest, Im not entirely convinced that Wilkie is the answer either, but here we are painted into a corner of our own making. waving around words of cash hoping somebody will bite.

very well said

 

[AFaiL]

Out of curiosity (not knowing the dogs list all that well) - what would even be the offer for Cal?

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Out of curiosity (not knowing the dogs list all that well) - what would even be the offer for Cal?

Probably just draft picks, or a third team getting involved. I feel like player for player (plus pick) trades are pretty rare these days

 

[Foxman98]

Out of curiosity (not knowing the dogs list all that well) - what would even be the offer for Cal?

Draft picks

Fringe players to add as steak knives
Garcia/Gallagher/Gardner are about it that isn't OOC like a Baker/Poulter

 

[Mofra]

TO be fair I do trust Edmund more with us has better contacts and lives in Yarraville I believe just down the road from the club

Makes sense, he's been seen at our training sessions more than any other journo

 

[iambrilliant]

Players being involved in trades is rare , when’s the last time it happened? Would be good if clubs could just trade players wherever they want

 

[Mofra]

Out of curiosity (not knowing the dogs list all that well) - what would even be the offer for Cal?

A lot I'd imagine. Might be players + picks

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Contracts don't mean nothing,

They are practically worthless from a clubs point of view.

When a player can walk away with years left on a contract that the club may've built their 5 or more years of list strategy around.

They will get significantly more for Wilkie then we got for Smith due to his contract,

Great.

They'll get some magic draft beans whos' value will inevitably be eroded by the increasingly compromised draft system. Should they get those selections wrong like Essendon did when they squandered 3 top 10 drat picks in 2020. Then they'll end up, well. Like Essendon facing yet another rebuild and top down instability from within its own playing group tired of being on treadmill of mediocrity.

Clubs move on players all the time they don't want or drop them to the 2s so they request a move

Sure, but we aren't talking about journeymen. We're talking about elite talent like Curnow, Merrett or somebody earmarked as a future club captain in Wilkie.

The value in the contracts is the trade value

See above.

 

[Foxman98]

If we can get Wilkie I hope we do a Hawthorn and still go for Butts as well

 

[AFaiL]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

 

[Golden_6]

Out of curiosity (not knowing the dogs list all that well) - what would even be the offer for Cal?

Something like pick 10 + F2 might be enough.

 

[Mofra]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

We have a list manager.
Trades aren't done via Bigfooty consensus.

What we say here won't impact on any hypothetical trade.

 

[Golden_6]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

When has that ever happened? Players are rarely included (if ever).

Look at the Barrass deal last year. That's the similar sort of ball park you would be expecting.

 

[Testekill]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

Yeah but it's also not going to be a first rounder and Ed Richards like some of your supporters have been saying. It has to be someone that wants to leave the Bulldogs for the Saints.

Player for Player trades just aren't really a thing

 

[MaxiBont]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

Hawthorn has sent its future first, second and third-round picks to West Coast, in return for Barrass and West Coast's future fourth-round pick.

 

[mal68au]

We have a list manager.
Trades aren't done via Bigfooty consensus.

What we say here won't impact on any hypothetical trade.

Mainly because there has never been Bigfooty consensus on anything

 

[Claythesmiths]

We have a list manager.
Trades aren't done via Bigfooty consensus.

What we say here won't impact on any hypothetical trade.

Nothing like internet nuffies trying to negotiate trades.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Players being involved in trades is rare , when’s the last time it happened? Would be good if clubs could just trade players wherever they want

Think it's sort of been since you could add future picks that players stopped being added to deals

Last time we had one was the Boyd/Griffen trade

There's been a couple in the last few years. Duursma/Zerk-Thatcher trade, O'Meara/Meek trade

Obviously there is lots where 3+ teams are involved but I feel like list managers are just doing those to show how smart they are (like the four team deal with Smith, Kennedy and Macrae which all could have been easily separate deals on their own but were jumbled together to make it look like trade period wasnt a waste of time)

 

[Sentinel]

Players being involved in trades is rare , when’s the last time it happened? Would be good if clubs could just trade players wherever they want

The last example of a direct swap of 1st round value players between 2 clubs, without involving a third club, was Wingard for Burton in 2018 and before that Griffen for Boyd in 2014 (with picks also involved in both).

 

[Dogsman16]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

But it never works out this way. We aren’t just going to walk into the locker room and ask one of our top 10 players “who is willing to go to st kilda”.

If a quality player was to be included then it would be up to st kilda to woo that player across. Probably would need a better financial deal to get talks started (and are stkilda placed to do this right now?)

The player is contracted though so you have every right to block any potential deal. Just can’t see any right minded club risking the locker room by offering up quality players to get a quality player.

Hawthorn wouldn’t do it for Merrett, Swans for Curnow etc etc.

 

[Foxman98]

The last example of a direct swap of 1st round value players between 2 clubs, without involving a third club, was Wingard for Burton in 2018 and before that Griffen for Boyd in 2014 (with picks also involved in both).

The other thing is we have no one of value who would want to go to the saints

 

[Norm De Guerre]

The above is why any deal would be very difficult, assuming Cal wants to go (which has never been stated).

You don't get an AA full back for one or two speculative draft picks. Got to give, to get.

IF the dogs are serious about fixing their biggest weakness, there would need to be a quality player in return that is excess to the dogs and required by St Kilda, ideally.

Thats all well and good in the imaginary binary world of bigfooty list managers.

Until a player decides he wants out and then a clubs leverage evaporates before its very eyes.

Determined players tend to get to where they they want to go. And their former clubs tend to get it in the arse.

 

[Pencil case]

Something like pick 10 + F2 might be enough.

Then it’s a no from me dawg