So much wasted emotion on hypotheticals. I get it, a little speculation is fine, and fun, but frothing at the mouth? Life is short, go for a walk or a swim, maybe fly a kite.
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Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX
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As much as they say they are keeping their Talent, I think they will Pony up with a good deal to get Charlie across the line.
Given their exit from the finals, and the Marquee value of Charlie (along with talent), I'd say they don't want to let him slip and wonder why later.
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Why do you think they still trade them?
Two reasons: if the compo pick isn't good enough and/or the player doesn't want to be there anyway...
Again, the rule is the Giants had the option to keep him... they elected not to.
That’s principle No.2 blue healer.
The No.1 principle GW has stated from day one is that - every decision we make has to be for the betterment of the club and put Carlton first.
Pandering to the whims of a player, who still has four years of a contract to go, in a trade deal that doesn’t compensate us with adequate quality player/picks - is not in Carlton’s interest.
However if Charlie is traded it would have to be overs and in favour of Carlton (No.1 principle tick) and then he can FO (No.2 principle)…
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It’s literally never happened that a player has submitted a Free Agency offer, their club has matched, and kept them.What are you disagreeing with Stamos ?
Show me the rule that says the club matching the offer MUST then trade the player anyway
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Beside the point...
Rules state that the club gets to keep the player. It's just a fact.
It’s not beside my point at all, which is what actually happens, not what all the options under the rules are.
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It's pretty good, only thing to consider, GC will not want to lose pick 6 without at least getting a top 10 pick coming back. They have 3 academy players this year set to go in the first round, with one of them being a top 3 talent in this year's draft. So they will need the points.
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I seperate curnow's posturing management from curnow the player - in fact I think he has been snookered by his own management going for a long term contract - now seeing players half his quality getting bigger offers....
I also 'sense' that Wright has made it clear to a certain group of players - what the new rules are at the Club two senior exits resulted and maybe Charlie was part of that crew- but trapped by his own contract terms.
players want to play though - Carlton will be stronger and better in 2026 - Charlie can be on boarded I' have no doubt.
However it is nice to sit back and see what offers come come in ( or not).
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I'll repeat: Giants were under no obligation to facilitate a trade with Geelong after matching the offer.
They traded him because they didn't want to keep a player who was checked out and the compo pick alone would have sucked.
That is the rule under restricted free agency. Once again, I'm done going around in circles.
And that's exactly the outcome the AFL wanted by gifting them multiple priority picks and full access to their academy players. They have a ridiculous embarrassment of riches with more on the way.
They farted in the face of the rest of the competition because they knew the AFL would continue to deliver them goodies. How many other clubs have gifted a high 1st round pick to an opposition club just to get a player off their books. Or choose to allow an uncontracted player (ie Jack Martin) to walk through to the PSD and get nothing for him, just to 'stand up for their principles' when a couple of decent 2nd round picks were there for the offering. They couldn't have been more disinterested in 2nd round picks when the AFL kept gifting them 1st round picks.
At some stage they have to realise that there'll be quality players squeezed out of their line up who'll start requesting trades through lack of opportunity. At the end of the day, they could lose Walters, and not feel a hell of a lot of difference with Curnow, King, Read and Lewis still on their list as key forwards.
Are this mob actually in it to win a premiership, or just stockpile a pile of academy players and hope for the best.
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Option to keep him? No, that’s not how things work, the only option to keep him is the same as any other player who is out of contract and wants to leave their club.
Yeah but I did have the attitude of **** them haha
Could swap JSOS & TDK picks around and they could throw in Caleb lewis
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No, again, it doesn’t state the club gets to keep the player. Use your brain, the AFL or a club can’t force a player to sign a contract against their will.
It just means they match the offer and the player either stays or needs to be traded, just like every other out of contract player.
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It is how things work. He was a restricted free agent. It's literally part of the rules.
They matches the offer so Geelong had to satisfy them with the trade. If the Giants weren't happy with the offer, then Cameron's only 2 options would be to stay at the Giants or nominate for the draft.
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Was thinking about the Charlie situation today and it was making me mad.
We stuck by him through injuries.
We've given him a long contract on big $ despite the injuries.
From reports he got a front ended contract.
Now he is wanting out with years left to run on his contract.
It's bullshit. There should be a caveat in these contracts that if a player tries to leave before rhe end of the deal they need to repay the difference of that they were front ended. EG if it's a 6 year deal for $6million. And they get paid $4million in the first three years. They should have to pay back the $1million advanced payment when they are traded.
We stuck by him through injuries.
We've given him a long contract on big $ despite the injuries.
From reports he got a front ended contract.
Now he is wanting out with years left to run on his contract.
It's bullshit. There should be a caveat in these contracts that if a player tries to leave before rhe end of the deal they need to repay the difference of that they were front ended. EG if it's a 6 year deal for $6million. And they get paid $4million in the first three years. They should have to pay back the $1million advanced payment when they are traded.
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Or they sign the deal their club has put forward... simples
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You are going around in circles .... but it has no relevance to the Curnow situation.
This is not about players who are out of contract or a free agents. Curnow has 4 years on his contract and therefore Carlton need to be satisfied.
You should be comparing it to situations like Neale (the year prior to when he was eventually traded, not the year Freo eventually agreed as he was a pre-agent request), Papley, Daniher, Gibbs first year he tried, Lobb, Dunkley, Oliver, Petracca etc.
Plenty of high profile trades don't happen because the other team won't come up with a suitable offer, or the original club doesn't want to lose them.
There are even less trades that happen with players of the calibre of Curnow.
Who cares what Jerermy Cameron was traded for, the situations are apples and oranges.
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You’re going around in circles because you’re ignoring my points, and seem to refuse to acknowledge the massive difference between being a free agent and having a 4 year contract.
Better examples of comparison to Curnow than Cameron would be (despite not being KPFs) Petracca and Oliver.
If they were Free Agents last year (like Cameron was), they wouldn’t have been at Melbourne this year.
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Is this really necessary, I tried having a proper discussion with you and you go ahead and say shit like that...
how about you use your brain and do the research...
like I said, if the trade didn't satisfy the Giants, he either stays there or nominates for the draft. You reckon he was going to do that?
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I did all that... and Neale wasn't a pre-agent...
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If we'd done the stupid thing and matched TDK's offer from the Aints, he would have happily re-signed with us.
If Charlie stays ... Carlton need to rise to a Top 6 team to keep him happy I reckon.
Means the team is playing well and Charlie is kicking Goals
My guess is that if Carlton hang around 12th in 2026 ... Charlie won't be happy with that and will want to leave again at the end of next season. Carlton needs to improve ... and quickly.
If Carlton end up 12th ... Voss will probably go. Maybe that may change his mind..?
All guesswork
Means the team is playing well and Charlie is kicking Goals
My guess is that if Carlton hang around 12th in 2026 ... Charlie won't be happy with that and will want to leave again at the end of next season. Carlton needs to improve ... and quickly.
If Carlton end up 12th ... Voss will probably go. Maybe that may change his mind..?
All guesswork
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It is necessary because I assume that because you post here a lot, you would know how trading players works and how the AFL player movement landscape operates, we talk about it all the time.
I do use my brain, I know the rules, yes your right, he either stays at the Giants or goes to the draft, just like every single out of contract player in the league who is out of contract and wants to leave their club.
They are either traded or they go to the draft, this is the same for everyone.
You are posting that GWS had some special power over Cameron and had rights to him and could hold him to some sort of deal. Which is false.
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