Tasmania Team entering 2028. VFL team 2026. Gov has votes to pass Upper House. Official vote 4/12. Job almost done lads - congrats!

[The_Wookie]

It's too big for arena and too small as stadium. It's white elephant

Tasmania has no mid-large range indoor capability. MystateBank Arena tops out under 5k. MPS will be full for the AFL, less full but still used for AFLW, and VFL matches, will almost certainly be used for Hurricanes T20/W and AusODI games as well.

 

[hampton]

Tasmania has no mid-large range indoor capability. MystateBank Arena tops out under 5k. MPS will be full for the AFL, less full but still used for AFLW, and VFL matches, will almost certainly be used for Hurricanes T20/W and AusODI games as well.

Was all that taken into consideration that report, ie that the venue can be used for these events?

 

[The_Wookie]

Was all that taken into consideration that report, ie that the venue can be used for these events?

Yes, its part of the reason they claim so many events. This venue will automatically become the largest capacity function centre of any kind in Tasmania - and the second largest capacity roofed venue in the country.

• Marvel Stadium (Melb) 56,000 (up to 70k for concerts)
• MacPoint (Hob) 23,000 (30-38,000 for concerts)
• Qudos Bank Arena (Syd) 18,000
• RAC Arena (Per) 15,500
• Rod Laver (Mel) 14,800
• BEC (Bris) 11,000
• AEC (Adel) 10,000

 

[hampton]

Yes, its part of the reason they claim so many events. This venue will automatically become the largest capacity function centre of any kind in Tasmania - and the second largest capacity roofed venue in the country.

• Marvel Stadium (Melb) 56,000 (up to 70k for concerts)
• MacPoint (Hob) 23,000 (30-38,000 for concerts)
• Qudos Bank Arena (Syd) 18,000
• RAC Arena (Per) 15,500
• Rod Laver (Mel) 14,800
• AEC (Adel) 10,000

So they did take into consideration all these events but still put forward the recommendation not to build?

 

[The_Wookie]

So they did take into consideration all these events but still put forward the recommendation not to build?

Yes. The TPC spent a lot of time looking at the aesthetics of the venue and how it fits into the enviroment - its half the document - and inflating expenses to include non stadium costs.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Of course not.

Would the current media deal have factored in a 19th team?

Even without a 20th team, that's 46 extra games that they'd be expecting from 2028-2031.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Yes, its part of the reason they claim so many events. This venue will automatically become the largest capacity function centre of any kind in Tasmania - and the second largest capacity roofed venue in the country.

• Marvel Stadium (Melb) 56,000 (up to 70k for concerts)
• MacPoint (Hob) 23,000 (30-38,000 for concerts)
• Qudos Bank Arena (Syd) 18,000
• RAC Arena (Per) 15,500
• Rod Laver (Mel) 14,800
• BEC (Bris) 11,000
• AEC (Adel) 10,000

Tasmania doesn't need a 38k indoor arena.

 

[Jack Mundy]

You cover the grass for some events if needed, events companies have stuff for this. Have you never seen Marvels oval used for conventions, conferences, church services, Basketball, WWE or concerts?

Adelaide Oval, the MCG, Optus Stadium, Accor Stadium, Aami Park, Allianz and Suncorp all use the surface during concert events.

Lol, every event getting 5k audience will be in this giant venue

 

[The_Wookie]

Tasmania doesn't need a 38k indoor arena.

That remains to be seen. The venue has at least 30 years to run. A little early to call.

 

[The_Wookie]

Lol, every event getting 5k audience will be in this giant venue

Dude, troll other threads.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Dude, troll other threads.

Hobart has population of 250k. What events are drawing over 8k which capacity of current indoor venue?!

 

[Jack Mundy]

That remains to be seen. The venue has at least 30 years to run. A little early to call.

Lol, population growth rate of 0.11%

 

[The_Wookie]

Hobart has population of 250k. What events are drawing over 8k which capacity of current indoor venue?!

The point is to build a venue that will attract them.

 

[The_Wookie]

Lol, population growth rate of 0.11%

now sure. In 30 years....

These are also heavy on tourism, visitors and such. But enough.

 

[hampton]

I’d put Hobart in the same vicinity as Townsville, Wollongong and Geelong in terms of population.

Wollongong and Geelong have the advantage of being in close proximity to large capital cities.

Townsville has the advantage of a culture of travellers from across North Queensland from cairns down to Mackay which maximises population access.

All those areas have solid population growth forecasts.

Not knowing as much about Hobart except their population growth is stagnant, do people travel from across Tasmania frequently for events? Maybe their advantage is travelling support from interstate to make a weekend getaway.

 

[My_Username]

Something to think about, in terms of uses for an indoor oval stadium for Hobart.

The mainland state capitals have their large oval stadiums that host AFL and cricket (such as Perth Stadium) which is a purpose the new Hobart Stadium serves.

But the mainland state capitals also have large capacity indoor arenas (such as Perth Arena), with capacity over 10,000 and is weather proof. Great for tennis, basketball, netball, concerts, stage productions, comedy shows etc. Tasmania doesn’t have this.

The mainland state capitals also have convention/exhibition centres (Perth Convention and Exhibition Centre), with large indoor floor spaces. For car shows, kids carnivals, comic cons etc.

The Hobart Stadium fills more than just a gap for AFL and cricket. It can serve a lot more purposes throughout the year, for which the mainland states spent multiple billions of dollars building multiple venues for (due to more events and therefore more demand).

Yes, mainland capitals have more facilities (and not just for sports).

They're also MUCH bigger than Hobart.

So more facilities makes sense...They get a lot more events and audience to use these places.

 

[Canberra Pear]

I’d put Hobart in the same vicinity as Townsville, Wollongong and Geelong in terms of population.

Wollongong and Geelong have the advantage of being in close proximity to large capital cities.

Townsville has the advantage of a culture of travellers from across North Queensland from cairns down to Mackay which maximises population access.

All those areas have solid population growth forecasts.

Not knowing as much about Hobart except their population growth is stagnant, do people travel from across Tasmania frequently for events? Maybe their advantage is travelling support from interstate to make a weekend getaway.

A lot of regional areas don't have great growth.

Hobart doesn't have great growth compared to some of the bigger cities, but they've had higher growth than either Wollongong or Townsville for the past decade, and that's predicted to continue over the next two decades.

This is 2024 vs 2014 populations

food for thought

View attachment 2352057

[edit] despite what people might think darwin is just not viable (fwiw, neither is cairns - and for the same reasons)

 

[hampton]

A lot of regional areas don't have great growth.

Hobart doesn't have great growth compared to some of the bigger cities, but they've had higher growth than either Wollongong or Townsville for the past decade, and that's predicted to continue over the next two decades.

This is 2024 vs 2014 populations
View attachment 2432157

Im surprised about Wollongong, though maybe the growth areas I’m thinking aren’t classified as Wollongong, more like the wider Illawarra area.

 

[kranger]

It would be really bad at all those things. The seats are too far back for basketball, netball or tennis, and the surface will be grass, which would bad for conventions and shows.

Imagine this, but down in the goal square. It wouldn’t be a frequent occurrence, but the roof stadium provides the opportunity for this, and other possibilities.

 

[Jack Mundy]

The point is to build a venue that will attract them.

They won't. This indoor venue is too large for small regional city.

 

[Jack Mundy]

now sure. In 30 years....

These are also heavy on tourism, visitors and such. But enough.

Lol, building will be outdated in 30 years.

 

[glengowan]

How much would they save if instead of putting on a roof, everyone just brought their own umbrella?

 

[Professor Knowall]

Im surprised about Wollongong, though maybe the growth areas I’m thinking aren’t classified as Wollongong, more like the wider Illawarra area.

As per A.I. the population given includes the wider area - "The Wollongong City Council area has a 2025 population forecast of approximately 223,411 residents, according to their official population forecasts, while the broader Wollongong metropolitan area population is estimated to be around 319,000 in 2025. The difference in figures depends on whether the data refers to the City Council's administrative boundary or the broader metropolitan region."

 

[Jack Mundy]

As per A.I. the population given includes the wider area - "The Wollongong City Council area has a 2025 population forecast of approximately 223,411 residents, according to their official population forecasts, while the broader Wollongong metropolitan area population is estimated to be around 319,000 in 2025. The difference in figures depends on whether the data refers to the City Council's administrative boundary or the broader metropolitan region."

South coast is sprawling area just like Sydney and Melbourne

 

[My_Username]

Imagine this, but down in the goal square. It wouldn’t be a frequent occurrence, but the roof stadium provides the opportunity for this, and other possibilities.

View attachment 2432334

a) That'd be ~1/4 of Hobart's population.

b) An American football ground is much smaller than an AFL ground.

You'd have maybe a third of the existing seats be useful (behind the goals, and out onto the flanks), many of which would be pretty ordinary from a viewing perspective and a small, temp stand on the open side....Maybe 10,000 crowd, including a lot of crappy seats, for which you'd probably need to charge premium prices (setting this up wouldn't be cheap/easy, and it'd knock the grass around enough to put it out of action for a few weeks, so ground management would factor that into the cost).