List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - Top 10 Candidates

[wormy]

Thoughts on the Eagles taking Duursma and Duff Tytler? Or do Eagles fans want someone else?
Sharp?
Robey?

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Why would we now waste that good fortune by splitting the pick for speculative players later in the draft?

You and I mightn’t, but what we think doesn’t matter. If the only players we are interested in have gone, why waste pick 4 (7) on someone else.

If we do split it, our people will have a good reason for it. Sounds like they’re not keen on this lot.

 

[hammer180]

Thoughts on the Eagles taking Duursma and Duff Tytler? Or do Eagles fans want someone else?
Sharp?
Robey?

I think they'll take Sharp

 

[eaglevision]

Thoughts on the Eagles taking Duursma and Duff Tytler? Or do Eagles fans want someone else?
Sharp?
Robey?

Personally I want to trade pick 1 and Hawks 1R/our 2R/F2 to Essendon for picks 5 and 6.

2-Sharp
5-Cumming
6-Schubert

Duursma is quite polarising on our board, most believe he’s the best prospect but some don’t want him by (somewhat unfairly) comparing him to his brothers.

I don’t think he’s so far ahead that I wouldn’t take two top 6 picks for him and a pick in the late 1R/early 2R.

CDT is getting no love at all, I don’t think we’ll select him even if we keep picks 1 and 2.

Sharp and his strengths are very clearly the greatest list need we have, if we only had pick 1 I would take Sharp.

 

[spky1234]

The stats say the higher the pick the more games they play over their career which basically means your getting better players.

You split your pick and move down then the chances are your picking a player with less chance of being as successful.

We need to play to the numbers not try and cut corners or try to be clever. Let's be honest here if we split pick 4 that second pick won't be an early 1st round pick so we should just choose with what we have already.

It's got nothing to do with being clever - every club does it. We traded a pick for a North's future pick, is that being clever?

It's not some crazy absurd tactics at play. It's attepting to address multiple areas with 2 picks, rather than 1 pick.

The player you chose is statistically with a less chance, that's why you are picking 2 players - and hope that collectively they can be better, which happens regularly.

If CDT is available at 4 and someone wants to pay a premium for him (and we are fully keen), we can trade down a bit, and collect Cumming, Dovaston, Grlj and someone else for him whilst acquiring another first round pick.

There is a price for every pick. If Essendon gave us pick 5 and 6 (which they won't) you wouldn't take it because "trading down is bad"?

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

No no no no. They are both tall blonde midfielders. Cal is right, they are exactly the same player.

He's a deep thinker

Hey hey, not fair, don’t be tough on Cal.

They also wore the same jumper.

 

[tigs2010]

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[tigs2010]

One of Darcy Fort and Rhys Stanley is going to be a 2 time premiership ruckman in a few days.

No farkin way should we be using a top 5 pick for a ruck.

Counterpoint...

Only coz they're somehow playing against each other.

And they both only got 1 because they played bed wetting Sydney.

 

[spky1234]

we are not Geelong and they had a different agenda with different time horizons

Teams split picks or trade up all the time.

There's a price for every pick. This "don't split picks" by people is stupid. If west Coast offered up their F1 and Hawthorns 1st for pick 4 we wouldn't take it? Or both their Future 1sts?

Sliding 3-4 spots back could buy as another first round pick, probably giving us players who address better areas.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Just to add onto this: it sounds like Hopper's management is looking to see if clubs are interested in taking on Hopper. Not sure if a willing club has emerged though, but doesn't stop his management to, effectively, shop him around.

His management shopping him around? Where have you seen or heard this? Sounds like BS to me

 

[spky1234]

Teams split picks or trade up all the time.

There's a price for every pick. This "don't split picks" by people is stupid. If west Coast offered up their F1 and Hawthorns 1st for pick 4 we wouldn't take it? Or both their Future 1sts?

Sliding 3-4 spots back could buy as another first round pick, probably giving us players who address better areas.

West Coast traded pick 6 Scharenberg and 44 to Collingwood, for 11 Dom Sheed, 31 and 49.

Adelaide traded down from 10 Cockatoo to 14 Jake Lever with Geelong.

Brisbane traded down from 2 Taranto to 3 McCluggage and 16 Berry.

Having 1 higher pick is not always better.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Counterpoint...

Only coz they're somehow playing against each other.

And they both only got 1 because they played bed wetting Sydney.

Counter-counter; Nank is a 3-time premiership ruckman.

 

[Stylo]

Personally I want to trade pick 1 and Hawks 1R/our 2R/F2 to Essendon for picks 5 and 6.

2-Sharp
5-Cumming
6-Schubert

Duursma is quite polarising on our board, most believe he’s the best prospect but some don’t want him by (somewhat unfairly) comparing him to his brothers.

I don’t think he’s so far ahead that I wouldn’t take two top 6 picks for him and a pick in the late 1R/early 2R.

CDT is getting no love at all, I don’t think we’ll select him even if we keep picks 1 and 2.

Sharp and his strengths are very clearly the greatest list need we have, if we only had pick 1 I would take Sharp.

I feel like the Eagles are in a similar position with Sharp to what we are with Grlj, ie. he’s a perfect fit for the list but you could potentially get him at a lower selection than you currently have. Interesting to see how both clubs handle it

 

[tigs2010]

Counter-counter; Nank is a 3-time premiership ruckman.

Counter counter counter; Nank doesn't look homeless or like a girl dick

 

[eaglevision]

I feel like the Eagles are in a similar position with Sharp to what we are with Grlj, ie. he’s a perfect fit for the list but you could potentially get him at a lower selection than you currently have. Interesting to see how both clubs handle it

With our shared list manager we’ll both know each other’s targets. I think we’ll try and leverage Essendon to go hard at one of our picks for either CDT or Duursma but you guys won’t trade up for 1 or 2 because we’re giving the impression we will pick your target.

If you do it would only be because we both like the same player and the question will be asked well what’s he worth to you?

I think Grlj is the hardest to place. Hawks will have a good look at him if he lasts that long. If Essendon get that pick plus band 1 then no question he’ll be a Bomber.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Counter counter counter; Nank doesn't look homeless or like a girl dick

What's THE_GUN got to do with it

 

[Mr Magic]

Teams split picks or trade up all the time.

There's a price for every pick. This "don't split picks" by people is stupid. If west Coast offered up their F1 and Hawthorns 1st for pick 4 we wouldn't take it? Or both their Future 1sts?

Sliding 3-4 spots back could buy as another first round pick, probably giving us players who address better areas.

it his not about not spliting picks, it is about case by case and picks are only relevant in regards to players, what we can get etc...

Before we worry about futures, what is happening with Tassie in terms of next years draft??? Hawthorns first I assume you mean pick 15 as it currently stands which will go to pick 16 or 17 or 18 possibly. the later first rounder is not as enticing to me necessarily

If this is a real possibility it means West Coast could have 1, 2 and 4 meaning they can apply pressure to Gold Coast and get other picks???

the worry with West Coast future first is Tassie and Essendon coming last next year probably. Any special players we are chasing???. It is not as good as the North trade for picks last year but another repeat of that would not be expected.

I would have a think about it, lot depends on how we rate top end of 2026 draft and who might be there. If we got this Hawhtorn 1st and could trade for a higher first in 2025 it might be more useful but it is all dependent on what players can be accessed with it in 2026 and 2025 drafts

the first thing one would ask is why would West Coast want 1,2 and 4 if valid?? I could understand why they might want that. Puts them in a powerful position, so would they offer a little more, like a later pick somewhere to get this??

 

[Michaels]

Real chance wce trades 1 to Essendon if they are dead keen on Duursma.

If that happens I’m wondering if that changes again what we do with 3 & 4.

If that trade happens I don’t think we will split.

All the talk is Robey and X Taylor currently for us.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Real chance wce trades 1 to Essendon if they are dead keen on Duursma.

If that happens I’m wondering if that changes again what we do with 3 & 4.

If that trade happens I don’t think we will split.

All the talk is Robey and X Taylor currently for us.

No one is using pick 4 on Taylor.

 

[Mr Magic]

Real chance wce trades 1 to Essendon if they are dead keen on Duursma.

If that happens I’m wondering if that changes again what we do with 3 & 4.

If that trade happens I don’t think we will split.

All the talk is Robey and X Taylor currently for us.

I think the Duursma suggestion is possible.

The thing is players we pick up in this draft support our 2024 draft intake because close vintage, slightly moreso than 2026 and also helps indirectly in other ways.

Generally I am not a fan of good picks years after year, spread over many years, because clubs go in cycles, up in down, strong then weak, that is just the nature of the best.

It does not make that much difference but if there is a greater spread over more years it is harder in some respects to get where you go like hockey stick always beats linear progression for builds, this would be why West Coast want more picks to

 

[Mr Magic]

It's got nothing to do with being clever - every club does it. We traded a pick for a North's future pick, is that being clever?

It's not some crazy absurd tactics at play. It's attepting to address multiple areas with 2 picks, rather than 1 pick.

The player you chose is statistically with a less chance, that's why you are picking 2 players - and hope that collectively they can be better, which happens regularly.

If CDT is available at 4 and someone wants to pay a premium for him (and we are fully keen), we can trade down a bit, and collect Cumming, Dovaston, Grlj and someone else for him whilst acquiring another first round pick.

There is a price for every pick. If Essendon gave us pick 5 and 6 (which they won't) you wouldn't take it because "trading down is bad"?

I would trade 4 for 5 and 6.

Yes I would trade down for that probably

I know would not happen but I would trade back 4 to get 5 and 6 probably, so never say never


just say Duursma slipped to 4, Not saying he will but just say it happened and Essendon wanted to trade 5 and 6 for 4 to get him. Well it would depend on who we could get at 5 and 6 before trading pick 4

the question I am really asking is how hard is it to get the type at 4 in terms of ratings??, eg, future drafts, trades, etc...

How hard is it to get the type at 5 and 6 in terms of ratings??, eg in future drafts and trades etc,, So n context the picks value is only in relation to the players that can be accessed and their ratings and benefits to us was a team trying to win premierships in the years ahead


I have not gone through all of this , read everything etc.. but it sounds like West Coast could want 3 and 4 just as much as their 1 and 2 which is plausible if everybody is thinking a top 4 etc... In this sense RFC is in a very good position with 3 and 4 probably in terms of what other means want

here is another scenario. Just say West Coast traded pick 1 to RFC for 3 and 4 and also gave away their future first. Not saying it would happen, but lets just do the hypothetical. Lets assume RFC chooses Robey at 1. Not saying we will but just assume this happens. West Coast would trade 2 for 5 and 6 from Essendon so Essendon get Duursma at 2 and West Coast then have 3,4,5,6 to get Sharp, Cumming and whoever else??? So I can see this would be a fantasy potentially for West Coast if they are thinking this way. One thing this situation shows is the picks are only relevant to the players and ratings clubs want and have over the players available this year and next

For example, West draft Sharp and Coming, we draft Robey nd Essendon offer 5 and 6 for Duursma. Am I trading back in this instance? Probably not, I will take my chances on Duursma and get the latter types through other means or try and draft similar in later years

if you use picks 3 and 4, do not want to trade back but want another player in the live draft RFC can see how far this player slips and see if they can trade a future and whatever or not or have later picks from a trade of player we can be utilised

 

[tigerdan]

With our shared list manager we’ll both know each other’s targets. I think we’ll try and leverage Essendon to go hard at one of our picks for either CDT or Duursma but you guys won’t trade up for 1 or 2 because we’re giving the impression we will pick your target.

If you do it would only be because we both like the same player and the question will be asked well what’s he worth to you?

I think Grlj is the hardest to place. Hawks will have a good look at him if he lasts that long. If Essendon get that pick plus band 1 then no question he’ll be a Bomber.

If I'm trading up to the bummers I'm flipping for their F1 plus "opportunity cost" because after all we could be turning pick 4 into pick 18 (!) otherwise.

Whether that opportunity cost equates to their 2nd rounder (seems too low) or some other deal is really the crux of the argument, and basically why we've got two factions on this page arguing whether we should trade up or not.

It would be wonderful to walk away with Robey, Grlj and a F1. Can we realistically make that happen? Probably not.

Robey and Cumming is my default setting. Will not be disappointed to get Sharp. All the other players are good but not at pick 3 or 4.

 

[Mr Magic]

Here is another scenario. just say West Coast and RFC kept first four picks and Cummings, Sharp, Duursma and Robey off the board.

Would I trade a RFC future first next year and two future seconds for Essendon's 5 and6?? I would think about it

So I guess 3 and 4 are highly valued as are 1 and 2 obviously. and who gets picked affects the picks of 5 an6. So if that quartet does not get picked between 1 and 4 the value of 5 and 6 for others wanting Essendon's picks probably goes up

 

[eaglevision]

If I'm trading up to the bummers I'm flipping for their F1 plus "opportunity cost" because after all we could be turning pick 4 into pick 18 (!) otherwise.

Whether that opportunity cost equates to their 2nd rounder (seems too low) or some other deal is really the crux of the argument, and basically why we've got two factions on this page arguing whether we should trade up or not.

It would be wonderful to walk away with Robey, Grlj and a F1. Can we realistically make that happen? Probably not.

Robey and Cumming is my default setting. Will not be disappointed to get Sharp. All the other players are good but not at pick 3 or 4.

I just don’t see Bombers putting more capital into this year’s draft, especially if they lose Merrett. The price for their F1 would probably be a straight swap for pick 4 or thereabouts. Blues and Freo will go hard for it with their top 5 NGA/FS kids.

I think you guys are in a great position at 3,4. We’ll make our selections then you really only have a few players likely on the shortlist. I think you take Robey then will have a choice to make. If I were the tigers I’d take whoever was left out of Duursma, Sharp and Cumming with the other pick.

You could potentially land Grlj and a F1 by trading 4 to the Dogs for 12 and their F1 but Grlj more likely than not to be off the board by then. I can’t see another club wanting to trade their pick and F1. Swans maybe but they need points this year and you guys don’t have late picks to give them.

 

[beema limapep]

Who do people think has better attributes to play wing?

X Taylor or Tom Brown?