Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[RWnBluey]

Our defence probably gets.... frost

Let’s not get all doom and gloom yet. So far we’ve missed out on one Hail Mary target who was always next to no chance of moving clubs

 

[Doggy]

Let’s not get all doom and gloom yet. So far we’ve missed out on one Hail Mary target who was always next to no chance of moving clubs

True, Butts likely as well

 

[Snarls Barkley]

A) He's captain B) he's got two more years on a contract and C) he's being booted out the door.

Don't think we booted Macrae out the door, he asked to be traded from memory, Parker the same.

Macrae was contracted for another three years. Captaincy different for sure but all previous leaders and club greats (can include Taylor Adams from the year before) who were told that they would no longer be part of the midfield plans and that the club wouldn’t stand in their way if they wanted to go elsewhere. I don’t see a major difference, everyone just seems particularly triggered by anything St Kilda does at the moment

I do think it’s a bad list move in general. He has dropped off from the player he was in 2020 and 2021 for sure but only turns 30 in December. Don’t think it would be crazy if he has a turnaround and still has a couple of high quality years left in him. Not convinced Saints have the depth in their midfield that he wouldn’t be required if they had a couple of injuries

 

[RWnBluey]

True, Butts likely as well

Maybe. Let’s just wait and see how it plays out first

 

[Mojorisin]

Macrae was contracted for another three years. Captaincy different for sure but all previous leaders and club greats (can include Taylor Adams from the year before) who were told that they would no longer be part of the midfield plans and that the club wouldn’t stand in their way if they wanted to go elsewhere. I don’t see a major difference, everyone just seems particularly triggered by anything St Kilda does at the moment

I do think it’s a bad list move in general. He has dropped off from the player he was in 2020 and 2021 for sure but only turns 30 in December. Don’t think it would be crazy if he has a turnaround and still has a couple of high quality years left in him. Not convinced Saints have the depth in their midfield that he wouldn’t be required if they had a couple of injuries

The difference for me is both Parker and Macrea went through periods of success where as Steele was traded in to Saints to lead their midfield and did so through a rough period only to be shafted out for some shiny new toys.

 

[Doggy]

The difference for me is both Parker and Macrea went through periods of success where as Steele was traded in to Saints to lead their midfield and did so through a rough period only to be shafted out for some shiny new toys.

Who can be surprised with SOS, Allen and Ross Lyon who once assaulted a female staffer at the club

 

[adogsfan5]

Dunno if this has been posted already.......

"Travis Boak reveals he would've moved to the Western Bulldogs if he was forced by Port Adelaide to retire at the end of 2023"

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifestyle/sa-weekend/travis-boak-reveals-western-bulldogs-move-after-port-adelaide-retirement-talks/news-story/9a16ba6cdc39d7b215f714afe4b568b4

Play for a year or two and then move into coaching.

Full article here

Is this confirmation that he will be coming on board as a coach?

 

[Mojorisin]

Is this confirmation that he will be coming on board as a coach?

Boak is still fielding offers.

 

[Doggy]

It's just a bad look really. He's gone through the rough times and they get all these new recruits in and he's quickly shoved out the door. Anyway.

Shit club with even shittier officials

 

[Foxman98]

Ben Ainsworth

9

Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

looking at the market pending cost could be a decent half forward addition

 

[Scragger77]

Ben Ainsworth looking at the market pending cost could be a decent half forward addition

The AFL might as well scrap contracts altogether.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

 

[Foxman98]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

English is at best an average forward

Reeves about to re-sign for 4 years

 

[Foxman98]

The AFL might as well scrap contracts altogether.

Contracts aren't the issue,

Gold Coast brining in Petracca/JUH and draftees is pushing out their current starters who don't want to play 2's

 

[Bald]

English is at best an average forward

Reeves about to re-sign for 4 years

I did a bit of an experiment a year or 2 ago comparing English to Rory Lobb forward, but only pulling the data where English played with another recognisable ruck man - which really reduces the the number of games, but basically it was when he played in the same side as Stefan Martin and Jordan Sweet.

The results were pretty much like for like. Again, small sample size, but I remember after looking at the stats that I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[goodcop badcop]

English is at best an average forward

Reeves about to re-sign for 4 years

Reeves will be playing VFL pretty much the whole time, I think you could make a pitch to him.

I just can't see us going anywhere with the same personnel down back and with a ruckman that struggles to compete. Trying to think creatively.

 

[Ash1337]

Don't think dogs have the space to bring on a ruck. Need to cover other needs first anyways.

 

[RWnBluey]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

It’ll be interesting to see how many fewer throw-ins we get per game if the last-touch rule is introduced next year. Fewer ruck contests would definitely play to Tim’s advantage.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Don't think dogs have the space to bring on a ruck. Need to cover other needs first anyways.

What do you suggest then? It looks to me like there's nobody else out there that would help us improve. Frost isn't going to help much.

I personally think the ruck is an issue and a need.

 

[Marsy]

It’ll be interesting to see how many fewer throw-ins we get per game if the last-touch rule is introduced next year. Fewer ruck contests would definitely play to Tim’s advantage.

It's not last touch, it's last disposal. Watch the aflw game, still plenty of throw ins.

The umpires in the AFL are basically paying last disposal now.

 

[BrisDog]

What do you suggest then? It looks to me like there's nobody else out there that would help us improve. Frost isn't going to help much.

I personally think the ruck is an issue and a need.

Smith looks fine. Add 5 kgs this pre season and he is good to go. He is very impressive for a 19 year old.

 

[Foxman98]

What do you suggest then? It looks to me like there's nobody else out there that would help us improve. Frost isn't going to help much.

I personally think the ruck is an issue and a need.

Croft can go back without moving English

 

[Norm De Guerre]

What do you suggest then? It looks to me like there's nobody else out there that would help us improve. Frost isn't going to help

No he isn't. Nor are any of the other names being bandied about with the exception of perhaps Mad May.

Its seems pretty obvious to me that the improvement is going to have to come from within. That will begin with teh likely inclusion of Bauderic and Sellwood. Both of whom are more defensively minded than the likes of Johansson and Cleary who will likely make way for them. And it can end with Beveridge re-jigging his game plan to stop teams getting a run on.

I personally think the ruck is an issue and a need.

Just play Smith as a second ruck/interchange option then.

 

[Ash1337]

I'll back English will adjust to the new rules and improve his ruck game. English isn't going to be thrown forward anyways as evident with the demons game. He'll be outside the 50 marking any dump kick that comes his way.

 

[weltschmerz]

Little bit left field this one, but I don't rate English as a ruckman. The rule changes may help him, but 11th in our B & F (and by a fair margin) says it all to me. I'd consider bringing in Reeves and throwing English forward. That would mean one of Naughton or Croft would have to play down back.

Reeves is shithouse.