List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Joffaboy]

Now that TDK has joined us, send him down the highway with Windy to have a nice Italian meal with his brother.

Please no.

 

[Hayes4PM]

If Roma goes we're probably a tall short.

Wonder if it is SDK

I mean, we just bought in TDK and Silvagni...


TDK
Silvagni
Caminiti
Howard (assume he'll stay on for another year)
Aleer
King
Keeler
Dodson
Tauru
Barrat (speculative)


Honestly... I feel like our tall stocks will be BETTER next year than this year even with Ro leaving.

 

[Hayes4PM]

I’m mostly sad about Tony74’s first L

He's not wrong yet though

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Have to assume the bones of a trade have been settled on if he has requested. Makes the ruck stocks look very threadbare. Will be an interesting one.

Keeler could play the ruck/fwd role for us.

His pre season has to be massive.

 

[my name was taken]

When do I find out if Tauru has grown since the draft

 

[The_Steadier]

Not worried about the ruck TDK,Keeler & Dodson just add 1 rookie Ruck great opportunity for Keeler to really shine & grow with Dodson learning his craft in the 2s.

Plus caminiti was far from disgraced when rucking.
Him and keeler fighting it out for a fwd/ruck spot to support tdk is a good setup.
If tdk gets injured- they keep doing that, and dodson comes in and plays first ruck.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

If we can turn Ro, Butler, an F2, an F3, and some salary cap into TDK, Flanders, JSOS, Ryan and Aleer, the we're freaking on. Draft a J Pou, a Taylor, or a Farrows with 7, match a bid for Fincher, and Bobs your uncle. I'm hoping for an off-season of:

Out:
Marshall (traded)
Butler (traded)
Cordy (delisted)
Jones (delisted, retained at VFL)
Webster (retired)
McClennan (delisted)
Shoenmaker (delisted)
Byrnes (delisted)
Boyd (delisted)

In
TDK (FA)
JSOS (FA)
Flanders (Ro picks and Butler)
Ryan (F2)
Aleer (F3)
J. Pou (P7)
Fincher (Matched bid)
Voss (Rookie)
Wanganeen (Rookie)

Gives us

AFL Best 23

FB Aleer Wilkie JSOS

HB Sinclair Howard Clark

C Wilson Philippou Windhager

HFF Ryan Sharman Hall

FF Higgins King Owens

Foll TDK NWM Flanders

INT Macrae Steele Hill Henry Garcia

VFL Best 23

FB LOC Caminiti Barrat

HB Hastie Tauru Fincher

C Travalia Boxshall Wood

HFF Carrol Keeler J Pou

FF Collard Heath Wanganeen

Foll Dodson Jones Dow

INT Voss, Stocker, Armstrong, Said

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Keeler seemed to put on some size as the season progressed and showed some good signs. There's a solid role as a forward/ruck there for him if he can step up.

 

[BrutThough]

Him leaving really disturbs the list in my opinion. We go from having awesome ruck depth to terrible. Also gives a leg up to Geelong who I assume are a side we're trying to catch. I don't like it so we really better demand massive overs or walk away.

As long as actually make Geelong pay, we can find a back up ruck option.

It's putting a lot of faith in Dodson but it's probably a risk worth taking.

 

[beside the seaside]

As long as actually make Geelong pay, we can find a back up ruck option.

It's putting a lot of faith in Dodson but it's probably a risk worth taking.

What would you take for Marshall?

 

[LongParker]

What would you take for Marshall?

Shannon Neale?

 

[Fluttz]

what is he worth - top 10 draft pick ?

Cats first this year and a future first. Stuff em they want him that bad they can stump up

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I understand Steele was a trade in but Marshall was a real born and Bred and Saint. Now you may argue that the identity and culture was bad during that period. Reardless, bringing in Blues Guys, WC, etc can disupt this, if our identity and culture is not atrong enough. I suppose the difference now is the emergance of Windy, Owens Naz etc.

Dare I say the culture has shifted from the Wilkie/Sinclair/Marshall/Steele types to the 2021 and beyond draftees culture.

 

[jwikked]

Dare I say the culture has shifted from the Wilkie/Sinclair/Marshall/Steele types to the 2021 and beyond draftees culture.

It needs to have shifted.

If it hasn't, we're going nowhere.

 

[Saints4ever]

Dare I say the culture has shifted from the Wilkie/Sinclair/Marshall/Steele types to the 2021 and beyond draftees culture.

Yep.

Nas, Windy and Owens have the keys now.

I’d love to see Pou fit in with the above 3 and really continue to drive standards.

 

[Bob Butter]

What would you take for Marshall?

If a deal is done it will be for a first rd pick. I would prefer next years first seeing as it will hopefully be better than 17 (before the concessions) and the draft will be deeper and less comprised by F/S and academy picks.

 

[mighty_sainters]

Flanders - I’d like to play more midfield.
Us - Fair enough, come to papa.

Marshall - I’d like to play more ruck.
Us - You stupid little child.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Shannon Neale?

Mavefromdelburn

 

[Ads734]

Dare I say the culture has shifted from the Wilkie/Sinclair/Marshall/Steele types to the 2021 and beyond draftees culture.

I hope so, I think the question, do they have a strong enough culture/identity that is distinct and will withstand and grow with the new guys or will it conflict?

 

[Saints4ever]

Flanders - I’d like to play more midfield.
Us - Fair enough, come to papa.

Marshall - I’d like to play more ruck.
Us - You stupid little child.

 

[BrutThough]

What would you take for Marshall?

F1 and F2 or make them find something that will be about pick 16 on draft night.

 

[Klaatu]

The year of exploration happened this year with the progress of Keeler & Dodson & even Heath , Keeler & Dodson development probably condemned Marshall to the trade table.

 

[Premium]

Him leaving really disturbs the list in my opinion. We go from having awesome ruck depth to terrible. Also gives a leg up to Geelong who I assume are a side we're trying to catch. I don't like it so we really better demand massive overs or walk away.

Marshall only had a average year , mainly due to injury but he still came 6th in our fairest and best - his marking around the ground will be missed if he goes - the amount of times he has got us out of problems through his marking will not be covered by any player in our squad.
Him leaving will make us weaker , if we want to win a flag we need to be keeping this guy. imo

and by the way , who knows if King will be around this - if he breaks down again we will be filling the void. Hammer / no - Keller maybe but not just yet

 

[Hayes4PM]

If we can turn Ro, Butler, an F2, an F3, and some salary cap into TDK, Flanders, JSOS, Ryan and Aleer, the we're freaking on. Draft a J Pou, a Taylor, or a Farrows with 7, match a bid for Fincher, and Bobs your uncle. I'm hoping for an off-season of:

Out:
Marshall (traded)
Butler (traded)
Cordy (delisted)
Jones (delisted, retained at VFL)
Webster (retired)
McClennan (delisted)
Shoenmaker (delisted)
Byrnes (delisted)
Boyd (delisted)

In
TDK (FA)
JSOS (FA)
Flanders (Ro picks and Butler)
Ryan (F2)
Aleer (F3)
J. Pou (P7)
Fincher (Matched bid)
Voss (Rookie)
Wanganeen (Rookie)

Gives us

AFL Best 23

FB Aleer Wilkie JSOS

HB Sinclair Howard Clark

C Wilson Philippou Windhager

HFF Ryan Sharman Hall

FF Higgins King Owens

Foll TDK NWM Flanders

INT Macrae Steele Hill Henry Garcia

VFL Best 23

FB LOC Caminiti Barrat

HB Hastie Tauru Fincher

C Travalia Boxshall Wood

HFF Carrol Keeler J Pou

FF Collard Heath Wanganeen

Foll Dodson Jones Dow

INT Voss, Stocker, Armstrong, Said

That is a significant upgrade for the '26 list on the '25 list. The fact Cordy and Jones have gotten so long out of this club says to me we've been playing catch up for a long, long time.

Also, I too am keen on Pou #2, but if Sharp, Greeves or Grlj are still available at our pick, would make the romance pick of Mini Pou a tough call...

 

[TheJackal]

Ross on day one of preseason:

Hey Leek, you know how you can jump good and stuff, well I've got this idea...