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List Changes - 2025
In:
  • Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
  • Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
  • Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane
Out:
  • Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
  • Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
  • Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
  • Jayden Hunt announces retirement
  • Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
  • Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)
  • Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR
 
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Why do people keep biting on the obvious meme "JamesTurd" account
Yep, imagine thinking Archie Perkins was part of a group that will contend in just a few short years. 100 games and absolutely nothing to show for it. That's without mentioning the other spuds. No one is that delusional....right?
 
Probably a dumb question

But if there's zero difference in pay and rookie list players can play whenever then what exactly is it used for?
You’d assume this to be a dumb question, but actually it’s a very good question because the AFL are bush league and make it up as they go along.

No difference. Functionally identical since the AFL tweaked the system years ago.
 

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2km is done which I posted earlier, Dalton smashed it, both him and Grlj under 6m. CDT/Duursma~6:20 the rest is tomorrow 👍
Champion, thanks. I hadn't realised the way it was split up and thought it was over by now. Seems weird having so much on a Sunday. Grlj under 6 minutes is pretty impressive, Dalton expected. Ditto for the 1 and 2 prospects. If CDT comes in above 201/202cm to prove he's still growing and does okay in the running vertical I will actually be converted.
 
If Patterson's a real chance then there's no need to sell Duursma.

Having both would be incredible and suit Mimi's gameplay to a T.
I believe if Patterson is a live chance then Duursma becomes surplus as they are both outside transition players and Patterson has more scope as a balanced md going forward.
Don't draft 2 outside players for the midfield without addressing the need for inside mid and other balanced types.

Sharp is the best inside take him JTS.
Sell Duursma to the highest bidder and get Cumming and Schubert if possible in that order.
Sharp/Patterson/Cumming by trading up and midfield sorted.
If can't get Cumming trade up for Schubert as a KPD.
 
I believe if Patterson is a live chance then Duursma becomes surplus as they are both outside transition players and Patterson has more scope as a balanced md going forward.
Don't draft 2 outside players for the midfield without addressing the need for inside mid and other balanced types.

Sharp is the best inside take him JTS.
Sell Duursma to the highest bidder and get Cumming and Schubert if possible in that order.
Sharp/Patterson/Cumming by trading up and midfield sorted.
If can't get Cumming trade up for Schubert as a KPD.
Duursma and Patterson will both be balanced mids who are able to progress the ball how mini wants.

We can sort thr inside work with other players.

Just take best available and best fits which are Duursma and Patterson(if gcs cant match).
 
Can’t believe I’m allowing myself to think there’s even a 0.1% chance that Gold Coast don’t match a Patterson bid…

He’s one of the most exciting prospects I can remember, incredible raw talent.
The thing is something has to give. We should be all over whoever gets shaken loose. Whether it’s Patterson or Davies or whoever. There’s just no way they keep them all, plus retain picks for next year.
 
Rookie A-McCarthy, Newton, McCrae, Brock, Robertson, Cripps

Rookie B-Champion, Evans, Walley, Williams

I would say Livingstone is gone, which is a shame and incredibly unlucky for him.

You’ve left off Hutchinson who is still on the rookie list to the best of my knowledge (Maric seems to have been upgraded with no announcement of it happening so the same might apply to Hutchinson - I hope not)

But you’re right about Livingstone. I can’t see a scenario where he isn’t delisted prior to the draft

List spots are (very) tight

Main list (7)
• Starcevich
• Young
• 3x R1 picks minimum

Rookie list (4)
• Robertson
• One other mature aged recruit with us currently linked to Berry and now McRae. There will be other options but it is obvious we’re looking for at least one more mature aged player from the delist pile

That only leaves 4 spots across the main/rookie lists which is currently a 2/2 split pending any moves to shift a player(s) from the main list to the rookie list with Cripps the obvious option you’ve accounted for with your list. Doing so would give us 3 main and 1 rookie list spots left

Delisting Livingstone gives us a Cat B opening to add whoever of our NGAs makes it through the main draft without attracting a bid. If two get through we can shift Champion to the Cat A list post draft like we did with Dewar last year

How to use our draft picks assuming we retain picks 1 and 2

• Picks 17,24 and 38 total 1777 points which could be enough to get whichever of pick 7 (1543 points) or 8 (1443 points) Gold Coast are left holding. Go chips in on that and take 3 top 10 picks leaving 3 spots to add Banfield, Evans and Williams.
• Pick 10 held by Carlton is 1276 points. Picks 17 and 38 are 1156 points - add Chesser and we might be able to get that done. Would leave us the Carlton pick and still hold 24 to add another draftee but only leave space for Banfield and one of Evans/Williams
• Picks 24 and 38 total 898 points which could get us pick 20 (757 points) off Brisbane so we use 1,2,17,20 and again Banfield plus one of our NGAs

There’s a bunch of these permutations but assuming we go to the draft with 6 openings it’s a question of 3 high picks, Banfield, Williams and Evans or 4 picks, Banfield and only one of Evans/Williams

If we’ve delisted Livingstone we can add Walley as a Cat B and have one rookie list spot to fill which can be
• Williams or Evans should one of them go undrafted
• Another mature aged player - either an AFL delistee or an untried state league player
• A main draft slider
• Add Livingstone back onto the list

Couple of other notes-
• A contract extension for Cripps still hasn’t been announced - is it possible he’s considering his future and might decide not to sign on. (I don’t think we’ll push him out but we may have told him a best 23 spot isn’t guaranteed).
• In what looks unlikely, we convince Steele to move then that’s one less draftee we have room for
• Wes Walley - the changes to NGA rules that allow eligibility to remain for up to 3 years mean we could conceivably not add him this year. Instead, we could add him to our WAFL side on the understanding that if he puts his head down and works hard there’ll be a place on our list at next year’s draft
 
I believe if Patterson is a live chance then Duursma becomes surplus as they are both outside transition players and Patterson has more scope as a balanced md going forward.
Don't draft 2 outside players for the midfield without addressing the need for inside mid and other balanced types.

Sharp is the best inside take him JTS.
Sell Duursma to the highest bidder and get Cumming and Schubert if possible in that order.
Sharp/Patterson/Cumming by trading up and midfield sorted.
If can't get Cumming trade up for Schubert as a KPD.
Duursma and Patterson will both be balanced mids who are able to progress the ball how mini wants.

We can sort thr inside work with other players.

Just take best available and best fits which are Duursma and Patterson(if gcs cant match).
I think there's a world where we can draft both but Patterson is a balanced mid whereas Duursma is potentially a balanced mid. I tend to agree with the idea of splitting if we can get Patterson. Patterson, Sharp, Cumming and Schubert would a phenomenal haul if we could pull it off.
 

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I think there's a world where we can draft both but Patterson is a balanced mid whereas Duursma is potentially a balanced mid. I tend to agree with the idea of splitting if we can get Patterson. Patterson, Sharp, Cumming and Schubert would a phenomenal haul if we could pull it off.

Duursma is worth taking I think. He can just do everything, and will be a transition mid at worst long term.
Best case hes the next Bont.

Id rather trade up for a gcs pick or something to get Sharp/Cumming/Schubert if needed but imo not worth giving up Duursma.

If the trade was Duursma + our 2nd rounder for 5+6 I wouldnt do it rn.
 
Would've expected the Allen transfer be done by now given it was all well known for half the season
 
I've always been highly favourable of attempting to get Patterson to West Coast.
The play IMO would be bidding on Uwland at pick 1 and then subsequently bidding on Patterson with the next selection (when Gold Coast match for Uwland). This would hopefully make it very difficult for Gold Coast to match what would be effectively bids at picks 1 and 2.
 
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Slow, doesn’t hurt you, lacks physicality and intent and isn’t accountable off the ball, extremely limited positional wise too.

At minimum will be good in the WAFL though, which is a win.
Aren’t you a bright rare of positivity and sunshine!
If you were a recruiter you wouldn’t have anyone on your list, as you wrap negativity up as reality…..
 
You’ve left off Hutchinson who is still on the rookie list to the best of my knowledge (Maric seems to have been upgraded with no announcement of it happening so the same might apply to Hutchinson - I hope not)

But you’re right about Livingstone. I can’t see a scenario where he isn’t delisted prior to the draft

List spots are (very) tight

Main list (7)
• Starcevich
• Young
• 3x R1 picks minimum

Rookie list (4)
• Robertson
• One other mature aged recruit with us currently linked to Berry and now McRae. There will be other options but it is obvious we’re looking for at least one more mature aged player from the delist pile

That only leaves 4 spots across the main/rookie lists which is currently a 2/2 split pending any moves to shift a player(s) from the main list to the rookie list with Cripps the obvious option you’ve accounted for with your list. Doing so would give us 3 main and 1 rookie list spots left

Delisting Livingstone gives us a Cat B opening to add whoever of our NGAs makes it through the main draft without attracting a bid. If two get through we can shift Champion to the Cat A list post draft like we did with Dewar last year

How to use our draft picks assuming we retain picks 1 and 2

• Picks 17,24 and 38 total 1777 points which could be enough to get whichever of pick 7 (1543 points) or 8 (1443 points) Gold Coast are left holding. Go chips in on that and take 3 top 10 picks leaving 3 spots to add Banfield, Evans and Williams.
• Pick 10 held by Carlton is 1276 points. Picks 17 and 38 are 1156 points - add Chesser and we might be able to get that done. Would leave us the Carlton pick and still hold 24 to add another draftee but only leave space for Banfield and one of Evans/Williams
• Picks 24 and 38 total 898 points which could get us pick 20 (757 points) off Brisbane so we use 1,2,17,20 and again Banfield plus one of our NGAs

There’s a bunch of these permutations but assuming we go to the draft with 6 openings it’s a question of 3 high picks, Banfield, Williams and Evans or 4 picks, Banfield and only one of Evans/Williams

If we’ve delisted Livingstone we can add Walley as a Cat B and have one rookie list spot to fill which can be
• Williams or Evans should one of them go undrafted
• Another mature aged player - either an AFL delistee or an untried state league player
• A main draft slider
• Add Livingstone back onto the list

Couple of other notes-
• A contract extension for Cripps still hasn’t been announced - is it possible he’s considering his future and might decide not to sign on. (I don’t think we’ll push him out but we may have told him a best 23 spot isn’t guaranteed).
• In what looks unlikely, we convince Steele to move then that’s one less draftee we have room for
• Wes Walley - the changes to NGA rules that allow eligibility to remain for up to 3 years mean we could conceivably not add him this year. Instead, we could add him to our WAFL side on the understanding that if he puts his head down and works hard there’ll be a place on our list at next year’s draft

My understanding is that both Maric and Hutchinson are now on the main list (along with Dewar which was mandated). That came from an informal discussion, not an official release.

The direction it’s heading in two bids on our kids and we lose one of them. More bizarre list management.
 

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Duursma and Patterson will both be balanced mids who are able to progress the ball how mini wants.

We can sort thr inside work with other players.

Just take best available and best fits which are Duursma and Patterson(if gcs cant match).
I think we would need to bin on Uweland 1st to be a chance to get Patterson. Need the GC points to be exhausted by the Uweland matching bid so they let him go at a pick 2 bid.

Even then they can dip into next year's 1st round points by going into deficit. Not seen this before but nor has there been so many Northern Academy high end players
 
People might have to get used to the fact that there is a strong chance we're not looking at taking Sharp with a top 10 pick.

I'm beginning to suspect that he's not what Mini is looking for. Yes we need an extractor, however i'm not sure this is the right draft for one. Perhaps the play is to bring one in from elsewhere over the off-season. If Dev can translate his VFL form in the guts to a servicable stop-gap extractor at AFL level (something he's not been given a chance to do at the Lions) then its worthwhile drafting with upside in mind with picks 1 & 2. Our stop-gap extractor doesn't have to be Dev, either. Something else might eventuate during the trade period. Or perhaps we're planning to trial Starc there for the pre-season and see what happens. Lots to play out yet.

I was sold on Sharp earlier in the year, but I'm less certain its the right move now. If we're going to make a jump from 18th into contention, we might need to play it a bit less "safe". I would even go as far as to say its riskier to take a limited extractor with average athleticism in the top 10, than it is to miss two bites of the cherry in high upside players.

Preference 1: Duursma & Patterson (the pipe dream)

Preference 2: Duursma & CDT

Preference 3: Duursma & Robey

Keep in mind, I expect us to have 3 picks inside the top 10 so have omitted Cumming, Grlj & Schubert as I think they could easily slip to our third pick. If we ended up landing Sharp with our third pick too, I would not be upset. Just as long as we have taken some high ceiling players first.
 
You’ve left off Hutchinson who is still on the rookie list to the best of my knowledge (Maric seems to have been upgraded with no announcement of it happening so the same might apply to Hutchinson - I hope not)

But you’re right about Livingstone. I can’t see a scenario where he isn’t delisted prior to the draft

List spots are (very) tight

Main list (7)
• Starcevich
• Young
• 3x R1 picks minimum

Rookie list (4)
• Robertson
• One other mature aged recruit with us currently linked to Berry and now McRae. There will be other options but it is obvious we’re looking for at least one more mature aged player from the delist pile

That only leaves 4 spots across the main/rookie lists which is currently a 2/2 split pending any moves to shift a player(s) from the main list to the rookie list with Cripps the obvious option you’ve accounted for with your list. Doing so would give us 3 main and 1 rookie list spots left

Delisting Livingstone gives us a Cat B opening to add whoever of our NGAs makes it through the main draft without attracting a bid. If two get through we can shift Champion to the Cat A list post draft like we did with Dewar last year

How to use our draft picks assuming we retain picks 1 and 2

• Picks 17,24 and 38 total 1777 points which could be enough to get whichever of pick 7 (1543 points) or 8 (1443 points) Gold Coast are left holding. Go chips in on that and take 3 top 10 picks leaving 3 spots to add Banfield, Evans and Williams.
• Pick 10 held by Carlton is 1276 points. Picks 17 and 38 are 1156 points - add Chesser and we might be able to get that done. Would leave us the Carlton pick and still hold 24 to add another draftee but only leave space for Banfield and one of Evans/Williams
• Picks 24 and 38 total 898 points which could get us pick 20 (757 points) off Brisbane so we use 1,2,17,20 and again Banfield plus one of our NGAs

There’s a bunch of these permutations but assuming we go to the draft with 6 openings it’s a question of 3 high picks, Banfield, Williams and Evans or 4 picks, Banfield and only one of Evans/Williams

If we’ve delisted Livingstone we can add Walley as a Cat B and have one rookie list spot to fill which can be
• Williams or Evans should one of them go undrafted
• Another mature aged player - either an AFL delistee or an untried state league player
• A main draft slider
• Add Livingstone back onto the list

Couple of other notes-
• A contract extension for Cripps still hasn’t been announced - is it possible he’s considering his future and might decide not to sign on. (I don’t think we’ll push him out but we may have told him a best 23 spot isn’t guaranteed).
• In what looks unlikely, we convince Steele to move then that’s one less draftee we have room for
• Wes Walley - the changes to NGA rules that allow eligibility to remain for up to 3 years mean we could conceivably not add him this year. Instead, we could add him to our WAFL side on the understanding that if he puts his head down and works hard there’ll be a place on our list at next year’s draft
Great summary thanks

The last point on nga matching for three years is a big one for me I believe they will be considering with flexibility. Evans and walley appear to be a year at least from playing senior afl so I wonder if they are going to attempt to bring one in through wafl and pick them up when they are next available and maximise rookie spots with senior delisted players.

If they don’t get a proven afl midfielder like a jack Steele how much will they chase Tom blamires as history says that the vfl best young player goes on for afl success.
 
I'm confused about the confusion of some posters between Lions/Suns NGA.

Suns have Uwland & Patterson;
Lions have Annable.

Bidding on Uwland & Annable won't affect Patterson. Patterson/Uwland only become available if Suns lack points, which could happen with their trading plans (JUH, Petracca .etc)

My bullshit guess and how I would approach it would be below, and for the people like me who are not draft watchers, relying on second-hand information, an added profile for the players I would want to target (Hoping to take 4) in the top 20.

1. Bid Uwland
2. Bid Patterson
  • Club/Region: Gold Coast Suns Academy / Allies
  • Position: Midfielder / Half-Back
  • Height: 183cm
  • Profile: Patterson is pure line-breaking blitz. Few players match his sheer pace and agility, making him a devastating user in transition, whether streaming off half-back or bursting from the centre square. His speed is complemented by penetrating and damaging kicking skills and strong game sense. He backs himself to take the game on and creates scoring opportunities out of nothing.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. West Coast ranked 18th in key transition metrics in 2025. Patterson’s 'must-watch' pace is exactly the attribute required to link up the play, turn defence into attack, and inject excitement and efficiency into their ball movement.
3. Bid Annable

4. Pick Willem Duursma
  • Club/Region: Gippsland Power / Vic Country
  • Position: Utility / Midfield
  • Height: 193cm
  • Profile: Duursma is an elite, Brendon Goddard-like utility known for his athleticism, aerial prowess, and damaging left-foot kick. He possesses outstanding lateral movement and excels at exploding from congestion, allowing him to be used effectively across all three lines. In 2025, he stamped his class predominantly across half-forward and through the midfield. His versatility and high ceiling make him the likely number one prospect in the open draft pool.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. A 193cm player with elite kicking and midfield burst is exactly the kind of A-grade talent a rebuilding club needs. His ability to cover multiple positions would provide immediate flexibility and a long-term future in the midfield rotation alongside Harley Reid and Elijah Hewett.
==================Hold Point - Here is when anything can happen=============

Trade and let Essendon / Tigers or whoever do their thing *I assume this is the rough order.

5. CDT
6. XT
7. Harry Dean
8. Sullivan Robey
  • Club/Region: Eastern Ranges / Vic Metro
  • Position: Utility / Midfielder-Forward
  • Height: 192cm
  • Profile: The draft's biggest bolter, Robey is a physically imposing, big-bodied competitor who spent the back half of the season exploding as a high-impact midfielder and goal-kicking forward. He excels at breaking contact and bursting from congestion, and his scoring ability (kicking four goals in a Grand Final win) makes him a genuine threat in multiple positions. His combination of size, strength, and late-season midfield craft has rocketed him into top-10 contention.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. Robey offers the exact mix of height, midfield burst, and goal-kicking capability that WCE seeks. He provides insurance in the midfield group and a powerful marking target up forward, fitting the club's desire for physically mature, versatile difference-makers.
9. Dyson Sharp
  • Club/Region: Central District / South Australia
  • Position: Inside Midfielder
  • Height: 188cm
  • Profile: A highly competitive and vocal leader known as a contested ball-winning machine. Sharp thrives at the coalface, breaking tackles and powering through clearances with his big body and hard edge. He has already shown his maturity by playing SANFL League football as a bottom-age player, demonstrating he is 'ready-to-go' and is arguably the premier pure inside midfielder in the class.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. WCE's most pressing need is contested ball winning and clearance strength. Sharp is the definition of a contested beast who provides immediate physicality and leadership to their young engine room, perfectly complementing the likes of Annable, Cumming, and Hewett.
10. Ollie Greeves

11. Sam Cumming
  • Club/Region: North Adelaide / South Australia
  • Position: Inside Midfielder / Forward
  • Height: 186cm
  • Profile: A robust and professional midfielder-forward known for his burst from stoppages, elite overhead marking for his size, and penetrating kick forward of centre. Cumming is a highly competitive player who won the SANFL U18 MVP in 2024 and broke into the North Adelaide senior side this year, performing strongly until a late-season shoulder injury. He has drawn comparisons to Sydney star Isaac Heeney due to his ability to influence the game both in the midfield and as a goal-kicking high half-forward.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. Cumming is a polished, 'ready-to-go' player who provides elite contested ball-winning ability and much-needed forward line polish and versatility. His professionalism and physicality would offer an immediate lift to the Eagles' young core.
12. Jack Dalton
  • Club/Region: Sandringham Dragons / Vic Metro
  • Position: Midfielder / Wing
  • Height: 178cm
  • Profile: An elite running machine with unmatched endurance (holding the equal all-time Yo-Yo Test record). Dalton is a workhorse who accumulated huge disposal numbers, known for his clean ground-level work, high work rate, and inside-outside balance. After overcoming a serious wrist injury in 2025, he returned to dominate as a perpetual motion player who excels at linking the defensive and forward lines. He draws comparisons to Lachie Neale for his stoppage intelligence and relentless running.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. West Coast is desperate for players with elite, selfless running power to cover the ground and connect the chains. Dalton provides a reliable, high-accumulation midfielder/wingman whose endurance is a premier weapon, adding a professional outside element to their young midfield.
13. Josh Lindsay

14. Aidan Schubert
  • Club/Region: Central District / South Australia
  • Position: Key Forward / Ruck
  • Height: 198cm
  • Profile: A towering, athletic key forward who rocketed up the ranks after dominating the National Championships, where he was arguably the best pure key forward in the class. Schubert is known for his work rate, contested marking, and mobility for a big man, allowing him to lead hard up the ground and provide a commanding aerial target. He also offers valuable support as a relieving ruck, making him a versatile long-term option as a forward line anchor.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. Following the potential departure of experienced key forwards, WCE needs a long-term goal-kicking anchor. Schubert provides a strong, developing, pure forward who competes aggressively in the air and boasts the athleticism needed to thrive in the modern game.
15. Mitchell Marsh
16. Fred Rodriguez
17. Jacob Farrow
  • Club/Region: West Perth / Western Australia
  • Position: Medium Defender / Midfielder
  • Height: 190cm
  • Profile: Farrow is a tall, athletic midfielder who projects as a running half-back at the elite level, drawing comparisons to Adelaide captain Jordan Dawson. He possesses an elite left-foot kick and outstanding metres gained ability, consistently impacting games with his run and carry. He had a standout National Championships, averaging high disposals and gaining critical metres, before successfully debuting in the WAFL League side. His versatility and height are major selling points.
  • WCE List Fit: Excellent. Farrow provides the tall, flexible player needed to replace aging defenders while injecting elite rebounding and ball-winning ability. His comparison to a high-class, attacking defender like Dawson makes him an ideal target.
18. Archie Ludowyke
19. Max King [Sydney Swans Academy / Allies]
20. Koby Coulson [Gold Coast Suns Academy / Allies]
 
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