Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[redmania]

I do too. Very frustrating. Just look at Adelaide’s off season last year.

They traded from out the 8th to 1st...with some internal improvement of course.

 

[Foxman98]

I do too. Very frustrating. Just look at Adelaide’s off season last year.

Pick up role players with 2nd rounders and keep their first?

Isn't that what we are trying to do?

 

[Foxman98]

They traded from out the 8th to 1st...with some internal improvement of course.

Cumming had little impact ANB played his role as did Peatling

Thilthorpe/Keane/Curtin/Soligo/Michalanney/Worrell all kicking on and playing key roles is why they improved so much trading had some impact but internal development was the big one

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Just last year "Moneyball" was all the rage - now we don't want anyone better than what we have unless they're a bona fide star?

How many 'star' KPDs are there in the competition? Nobody is letter a 'star' go unless it's for crazy overs.

It tells us everything we need to know that we were prepared to pay the mid Cal Wilkie in excess of $1.5 million a season to understand the reality that the club faces. I know you hold a moneyball candle for Taylar Young. But, errr Butts was/is the only viable candidate who would move the KPD needle for us and he was pretty clearly unobtainable unless we moved the Wilkie money over to him and that would've been insane. And even then Adelaide were under no obligation to do anything than hold him to his contract.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Having spoken to my list manager contact this morning, my disappointment in the club cannot be put into words.

 

[Mojorisin]

Having spoken to my list manager contact this morning, my disappointment in the club cannot be put into words.

Elaborate?

 

[Guido]

That's why we bailed on Butts.

I'd rather a proper 2nd tier key defender rather than relying on Gardner or even expecting Coffield to step up and essentially play as a third KPD. That strategy potentially cost us a couple of games this season, whereas a "second grade" Butts in their place for those handful of games could very well have had us finishing top 4.

And a lot of key defenders go from "very solid" to exceptional at the around the age of 26-27 - odds are that one of the options we could have had at a reasonable price could very well leave us with eggs on our faces if they make the step up.

 

[bobs head soup]

Just last year "Moneyball" was all the rage - now we don't want anyone better than what we have unless they're a bona fide star?

How many 'star' KPDs are there in the competition? Nobody is letter a 'star' go unless it's for crazy overs.

I suppose it depends on the definition of 'star'.

Regan's comment about only trading for someone better than we currently have seems a fair enough rule of thumb.

In some areas, this sets the standard for a 'star' fairly modestly.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Having spoken to my list manager contact this morning, my disappointment in the club cannot be put into words.

Seriously. Whats the point of this post?

 

[Angak]

Just last year "Moneyball" was all the rage - now we don't want anyone better than what we have unless they're a bona fide star?

How many 'star' KPDs are there in the competition? Nobody is letter a 'star' go unless it's for crazy overs.

Michael Reagan has been driving this, or at least in both his interviews during the trade period he has emphasised the qualitative aspect of trading players over the quantitative. Maybe because we have brought in a lot of B and C graders in the last few years. Over time, that can degrade your overall list quality. Compare that to what the Hawks, Lions and Cats have brought in, and I think that’s when you start to see the disparity in list quality.

 

[Foxman98]

I'd rather a proper 2nd tier key defender rather than relying on Gardner or even expecting Coffield to step up and essentially play as a third KPD. That strategy potentially cost us a couple of games this season, whereas a "second grade" Butts in their place for those handful of games could very well have had us finishing top 4.

And a lot of key defenders go from "very solid" to exceptional at the around the age of 26-27 - odds are that one of the options we could have had at a reasonable price could very well leave us with eggs on our faces if they make the step up.

We asked with Butts

 

[Mojorisin]

I suppose it depends on the definition of 'star'.

Regan's comment about only trading for someone better than we currently have seems a fair enough rule of thumb.

In some areas, this sets the standard for a 'star' fairly modestly.

Just like how every new recruit was the player we were chasing all along and was a shock to make it to that pick.

 

[Mutt]

Having spoken to my list manager contact this morning, my disappointment in the club cannot be put into words.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I do too. Very frustrating. Just look at Adelaide’s off season last year.

For a club with a bottom six which is average at best, it's probably best we climb down off that high horse.

 

[MrChristo]

Just last year "Moneyball" was all the rage - now we don't want anyone better than what we have unless they're a bona fide star?

How many 'star' KPDs are there in the competition? Nobody is letter a 'star' go unless it's for crazy overs.

"Gun key defender" are Tom Morris' words though, not the Club's.

Replace the hyperbole with, "A player who will make us better", and suddenly we're all back on the same page.

Edit: Will make us better and be willing to come!

 

[Bulldogs85]

Glad the club are not trading in any KPD just for the sake of doing it if they not going to improve the club what’s the point doing down that path

 

[Norm De Guerre]

"Gun key defender" are Tom Morris' words though, not the Club's.

Replace the hyperbole with, "A player who will make us better", and suddenly we're all back on the same page.

Edit: Will make us better and be willing to come!

It also makes sense of our pursuit of Wilkie and Butts.

Although they'd fill a need. Neither whom I would bracket at the very top echelon of the games KPD.

 

[Bald]

Glad the club are not trading in any KPD just for the sake of doing it if they not going to improve the club what’s the point doing down that path

You mean you aren't outraged that the club isn't chasing a Tim O'Brien type? Wtf is wrong with you!

 

[Libbaaaa]

You mean you aren't outraged that the club isn't chasing a Tim O'Brien type? Wtf is wrong with you!

One of the great nicknames, Glimpses!

 

[Bulldogs85]

Josh Gabelich thinks the JUH trade will get done today

 

[Struggle]

You mean you aren't outraged that the club isn't chasing a Tim O'Brien type? Wtf is wrong with you!

I'd prefer an Ed Barlow/Mark Austin type

 

[MaxiBont]

Sure, trade hypotheticals and discussion are all well and good, as are counter views pointing out the utter pointlessness of them. But the reality is that all the unrealistic trade scenarios do is build up an unrealistic expectation of what is likely to transpire. Especially as the club has been steadfast in its trade strategy of not trading just for trades sake.

We see the same thing unfold nearly every year after the dust settles on the Trade period as boards across bigfooty collectively sigh 'Is that it?'

There might be a couple of blockbuster trades. But entire 10 days or whatever it goes over is all smoke, mirrors and hype. One that will ultimately see a couple of dozen or so mid range or less players change clubs. Very few of whom were ever attainable and even fewer filled a need with us.

Regardless of this boards Hungry Hungry Hippo like desire to gobble up every single player mentioned in dispatches.

I don’t really understand what’s wrong with people having unrealistic expectations. These are BigFooty opinions, people can feel however they want. I’m not going to get annoyed by someone who has different expectations or different views than me.

People can have hopes we’re going to make a big trade like I have hopes we’re going to win the premiership every year. It may be unrealistic but it makes it more enjoyable.

It’s clear we have a need for a KPD and I don’t think it’s fair to really say that people questioning whether a mid-range option could help are being ridiculous.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Having spoken to my list manager contact this morning, my disappointment in the club cannot be put into words.

This worries me. The only thing worse than no trades is Steven fecktard May

 

[Libbaaaa]

This worries me. The only thing worse than no trades is Steven fecktard May

May for pick 106 would be fine.

 

[dogwatch]

I made a mistake in applying a 20% discount. I think it’s now only 20%

It’s not the full new rules, no idea where that is, but see from this article:

AFL Draft explainer: Everything you need to know

Under the outgoing bidding system, clubs have had a points deficit limit at 1723 points, meaning they could only go that far into deficit to match bids. Any further and they would not be allowed to match a bid on a draftee.

The number was the equivalent of the total points attached to the group of picks assigned to the premiership team each year: No.18, 36, 54 and 72.

But with clubs heading into next year's model, they will have their new points deficit reduced to 1167 points, equal to pick 18 (836 points), 36 (317), 54 (14) and 72 (0) in the new model.

Thanks. Yes that article is where I had been looking.

Also what do you mean by your first line? Should the second number be 10%?