List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part V

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 5

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[saintbill]

Yep. Just what Saintsbill said. A little dweeb is our max

His face looks bloated. Tells me he is holding a lot of water, I would be questioning the diet.

Still skinny AF, not surprised from what I have seen of his training intensity.

Hey at least he is taking photos with TikTokkers at the gym. Maybe he will accidently fall onto the bench and try and lift something.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Schooner maker and Zones gone. Hope they get picked up in the VFL team, especially Schooner, maybe a 1 trick pony, but it's a very good trick. And still pretty young.

 

[chris_h_11]

I just dont understand the Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

decision, especially when we gained so little in trade for him.

It certainly makes us worse next year. He might not be in our best 22, but how many times did we roll out our best 22 in 2024 - none is how many. You dont go through a season with 22 players, and I'd rather have Steele as the next mid up, rather than Jones etc.

I think in 5 years we look back and think it was the right thing to do, but in 12 months we might not have that view.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

We are rapidly running out of whipping boys, this could be a massive issue going forward

The thing about bigfooty whipping boys is that there are always more to be found

 

[TheNewEnsign]

Dees should have won more but also the dees should have blown up their list 2 years ago.

4 years is a very long time in footy.

I understand them bringing in Steele with Trac / Clarry out but Mihocek is baffling (but probably cheap I guess?). He's a good player but he's 32.

I suppose Mihocek is a transitional arrangement to develop some talls with the Trac picks but jeez their list does not look in a good spot right now.

 

[saintbill]

Especially Bill

Next time I run into him at the gym I will ask him for a bench off so we can post on BigFooty.

You might just be surprised at the results

 

[Kildonan]

Saints thank Jones and Schoenmaker

St Kilda Football Club has today informed Zak Jones and Arie Schoenmaker that they will not be offered contracts for the 2026 season.

www.saints.com.au

Age profile of St Kilda squad awaiting further delistings and drafts

Player          Age Contracted until

Webster          32 2025 Retired
Hill             32 2027
Wood             32 2027
Macrae           31 2027
Sinclair         30 2027
Jones            30 2025 Delisted
Marshall         29 2027
Steele           29 2027 Traded to Melbourne for 3rd Round (Melb) 2027
Wilke            29 2029
Howard           29 2026
Butler           29 2026
Ryan             29 2028 Traded from WCE + 3rd Round (WCE) 2027 for 2nd Round (St K) 2026
Cordy            28 2025 Delisted
Silvagni         27 2030 UFA from Carlton
Boyd             27 2025 (R) Delisted
Higgins          26 2029
Clark            26 2027
DeKoning         26 2033 RFA from Carlton
Dow              25 2026
Stocker          25 2026
King             25 2032
Sharman          25 2026 (R)
Byrnes           24 2025 Uncontracted
Flanders         24 2031 Traded from GC for Pick 7 2025
Henry            24 2027
Hall             23 2027 (R)
Heath            23 2025 Traded to Melbourne for 4th Round (Melb) 2027
Carroll          22 2026
Wanganeen-Milera 22 2027
O'Connell        22 2026 (R)
Windhager        22 2029
McLennan         22 2025 (R) Delisted
Owens            22 2029
Caminiti         21 2026 (R)
Keeler           21 2026
Phillipou        20 2028
Schoenmaker      20 2025 Delisted
Collard          20 2027
Garcia           20 2027
Wilson           20 2026
Hastie           20 2027
Said             19 2026
Dodson           19 2026
Boxshall         19 2028
Armstrong        19 2026 (R)
Travaglia        19 2027
Tauru            18 2027
Barratt          18 2027

 

[akaifu]

Schooner maker and Zones gone. Hope they get picked up in the VFL team, especially Schooner, maybe a 1 trick pony, but it's a very good trick. And still pretty young.

Led to believe Arie will still be in the AFL next year (unless it’s Tassie VFL)

 

[SaintersUnite]

I know he was a whipping boy here but I’ll be sad to see Jones go. Genuinely gave 110% every time he played and had some mongrel about him. Good family man as well.

 

[RBW_007]

Led to believe Arie will still be in the AFL next year (unless it’s Tassie VFL)

He should seriously consider going to the states and becoming a punter.

 

[saintmike65]

Because with flanders coming in, he would be pushed out

RTB wants a more dynamic midfield

 

[saintmike65]

Byrnes is going to be a load-bearing whipping boy this year

If we're to be any good next season Byrnes needs to be player 26-28 on our list..at a minimum!

 

[Sully111]

I just dont understand the Jack Steele decision, especially when we gained so little in trade for him.

It certainly makes us worse next year. He might not be in our best 22, but how many times did we roll out our best 22 in 2024 - none is how many. You dont go through a season with 22 players, and I'd rather have Steele as the next mid up, rather than Jones etc.

I think in 5 years we look back and think it was the right thing to do, but in 12 months we might not have that view.

We didn't get rid of Jack Steele

The club looked at things and decided he wouldn't necessarily be best 22 next year (as you alluded to) and out of respect to him for his service to the club, were honest enough to tell Jack we'd help facilitate a trade if he wanted to look at other options.

That's the option he took.

 

[St Neil]

If you want a laugh, head over to the Geelong trade thread. It’s just arrogant campaigners throwing shade at us for not accepting their “overs deal”. They’re clearly upset for missing Marshall but deflect by mentioning our lack of success, haven’t heard that one before!

Jeez I hope they stumble down the ladder in 2026

All Mackie had to do was to put Geelong’s 1st and F1 on the table and Marshall would have been theirs.

They had the picks. Didn’t want to pay the price for a contracted and required player.

Marshall should never trust them again.

 

[Significant]

If we have to have 3 spots on draft night then Byrnes is a re-rookie by the look of things. The only uncontracted player left standing and 36 on the primary list currently.

Correct

 

[Joffaboy]

Seems like the List Managers listened to our vox pop about who.out of the three to keep.
I think universally we said Byrnes. Good to know SOS takes our opinion seriously.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Transition has begun.

Had better be it. Otherwise it's not good.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

When is the delisting cut-off?
Thinking Byrnes could still be cut
Although RTB did seem to favour him.

 

[austinnn]

If you want a laugh, head over to the Geelong trade thread. It’s just arrogant campaigners throwing shade at us for not accepting their “overs deal”. They’re clearly upset for missing Marshall but deflect by mentioning our lack of success, haven’t heard that one before!

Jeez I hope they stumble down the ladder in 2026

I've been dealing with that mithering Vandalay tit on the Marshall trade thread. He's constantly sniffng about a "fair price" and a "decent offer".

Poor sap desn't see the reality of the kind of offer you need for a contracted player that the club are desperate to keep. He doesn't see the reality of needing to seduce the selling club and not just the player, he's stuck in that old school mentality of just seducing the player and assuming that he'll simply force his club to break their contract Lol!

Just assuming that the selling club will for happy to not only throw away 5-7 years of development but also let one of your rivals directly profit from it, and then have to spend another 5-7 years developing somebody just as good, and that's if you're lucky enough to find someone with the same potential.

Hopefully, our stance and Essendon's stance has made it clear that now you have to actually come to the club with a godfather offer at the start if you want to get it done or just don't waste anyone's time approaching in contract players unless the play is like us with DeKoning two years ago.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Did Ari a big favour I reckon. He’ll be earning more than our entire salary cap in a couple of years.

 

[Joffaboy]

Had better be it. Otherwise it's not good.

Delina wants to split the role with Lyon and another executive reporting to him as CEO.
From a corporate structure perspective it is fairly standard.

 

[Joffaboy]

Did Ari a big favour I reckon. He’ll be earning more than our entire salary cap in a couple of years.

Well it better be from being a drug lord as it wont be as a footballer

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Thinking now, that Geelong fc will grab Ari as a DFA & put him in the Ruck.
Or the Bullies grab him & put him at Full-Back
???

 

[hangdog]

Schooner maker and Zones gone. Hope they get picked up in the VFL team, especially Schooner, maybe a 1 trick pony, but it's a very good trick. And still pretty young.

Yeah I'm surprised Schooey was shown the door before Byrnes. By now Byrnes is a pretty known quantity, where as Schooey is still young and developing.

 

[Joffaboy]

Thinking now, that Geelong fc will grab Ari as a DFA & put him in the Ruck.
Or the Bullies grab him & put him at Full-Back
???

Hope so, will make either team worse.

Arie was a one trick pony. Lots of skill, not the application.