List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[Soapy V]

Speaking to a couple of recruiters. They think Lindsay is perfect at 9. Only seen videos but lovely ball user. Elite

Add Dean Ison Lindsay to Jagga Florent Chesser Wilson Ainsworth Carroll Moir our run and ball use has changed dramatically for the better.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Speaking to a couple of recruiters. They think Lindsay is perfect at 9. Only seen videos but lovely ball user. Elite

Add Dean Ison Lindsay to Jagga Florent Chesser Wilson Ainsworth Carroll Moir our run and ball use has changed dramatically for the better.

From my very uneducated eye, he seems to have the attributes that we are missing ie elite foot skills. Only real concern for me was that he was rated a top 5 pick for most of the year, however since the national champs and combine has continued to slide back and some have him rated around 12-15.

 

[marcmurphy3]

From my very uneducated eye, he seems to have the attributes that we are missing ie elite foot skills. Only real concern for me was that he was rated a top 5 pick for most of the year, however since the national champs and combine has continued to slide back and some have him rated around 12-15.

Hes got great foot skills but thats about it. Quite a one dimensional player. I think that's why hes drifted.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Hes got great foot skills but thats about it. Quite a one dimensional player. I think that's why hes drifted.

Lachie O'Brien clone?

 

[Opium]

Hes got great foot skills but thats about it. Quite a one dimensional player. I think that's why hes drifted.

Agree. I reckon we're looking at Lachie Dovaston.

 

[Bletch]

I thought it out had to be an 11 week injury.

I don’t have a rule to go off but I’ve never seen a poster reference what you have said there.

Not saying you’re not right but it seems off.


I did a quick ChatGPT search.

Long term injury list is stated as injuries over 8 weeks and can be replaced via SSP or MSD

Inactive list, for season ending injuries and removal from this list at AFL discretion.

So you were bang on with the inactive list but it appears you can have players on the long term injury list.

I'm sure this discussion comes up every year about this time!

As Stamos said, the rules you refer to relate to the "Long Term Injury" rule, which was a feature of the rules when Rookie players weren't allowed to play in the senior side. In those days, you could play a Rookie in the AFL side if you placed one Primary List player on the LTI list for a minimum period (8/11 something like that). When the player recovered, the Rookie had to return to the Rookie list and wasn't available for the AFL side.

The LTI went out of use when Rookies were allowed to play AFL. Circa 2018 iirc. I'll dig up the relevant rules and edit here.

Edit:
From current rules (Feb 2025):

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Lachie O'Brien clone?

No. He's got more to his game than LoB but likely always going to be an outside player due to a lack of athleticism and inside ball winning ability.

 

[Stamos]

No. He's got more to his game than LoB but likely always going to be an outside player due to a lack of athleticism and inside ball winning ability.

Doesn't sound like a player we need, and especially not with a 1st round pick.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Doesn't sound like a player we need, and especially not with a 1st round pick.

Comfortably the best kick in the draft and can play across all 3 lines. Would be more than happy taking him if he's there.

 

[The Bighouse]

I don’t have a rule to go off but I’ve never seen a poster reference what you have said there.

Not saying you’re not right but it seems off.


I did a quick ChatGPT search.

Long term injury list is stated as injuries over 8 weeks and can be replaced via SSP or MSD

Inactive list, for season ending injuries and removal from this list at AFL discretion.

So you were bang on with the inactive list but it appears you can have players on the long term injury list.

It’s the Inactive List now, no longer LTI

 

[gandaal]

I’ve seen enough of Fogerty and Binns to know they’re not good enough. They’re contracted, but I’d pay them out.

L Young and Boyd also contracted. Young is break glass in case of emergency case. Boyd is better than he’s been given the chance to be, but he’s on the outer so we may as well pay him out too.

I never understood why people at the club thought giving fringe players two year contracts when there was absolutely no chance they'd get taken by another club. Who was seriously going to snatch Binns or Fogarty from us with a 2 year contract offer? Why would we care if they did? Just strange list management.

 

[The Bighouse]

I never understood why people at the club thought giving fringe players two year contracts when there was absolutely no chance they'd get taken by another club. Who was seriously going to snatch Binns or Fogarty from us with a 2 year contract offer? Why would we care if they did? Just strange list management.

Billy Wilson 1yr
Jesse Motlop 2yrs
Thought they were straightening up but then revert to an unnecessary extension soon after.

 

[bradfisher14]

Cleary reporting that Gov is in talks for a one year deal.

 

[carlton_99]

Cleary reporting that Gov is in talks for a one year deal.

I was for letting him go pre-trade period but with us missing out on Khamis I do think we need the extra tall that can play at either end.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Understand people wanting to retain a somewhat untried youngster like White or Flynn over a somewhat conditional player coming to the end of his career. But the reality is that we're a little light on for talls, and have bolstered our half forward/wing stocks with Hayward, Ainsworth, Florent, Chesser and, shortly, Ison.

Give Young or White another year and they'll be lucky to play 2 games before getting delisted next year anyway.

Appreciate the sentiment, but for list balance reasons if the decision is between one of those two and Gov, Gov wins out for a 12 month extension on modest money. And now that Gov knows his precarious place on the list, I suspect he'll be working a little harder next season knowing he either needs to make himself indispensable to us or attractive to another club.

 

[DangerousD]

McGovern is better than Kamis and we need cover.

 

[Stamos]

With Gov it's a talent/versatility vs conditional/culture equation.

I don't have a problem with giving him another year, but you would think we'd be better off delisting and re-signing in the Rookie Draft or SSP to open up more draft points, rather than giving him a contract straight up.

 

[The Bighouse]

Understand people wanting to retain a somewhat untried youngster like White or Flynn over a somewhat conditional player coming to the end of his career. But the reality is that we're a little light on for talls, and have bolstered our half forward/wing stocks with Hayward, Ainsworth, Florent, Chesser and, shortly, Ison.

Give Young or White another year and they'll be lucky to play 2 games before getting delisted next year anyway.

Appreciate the sentiment, but for list balance reasons if the decision is between one of those two and Gov, Gov wins out for a 12 month extension on modest money. And now that Gov knows his precarious place on the list, I suspect he'll be working a little harder next season knowing he either needs to make himself indispensable to us or attractive to another club.

Likely but we identified a need with F.Young with the left foot around the forward line, something that could be harnessed within a F/T environment - which is what we usually allowed with MSD draftees vs a brief 6-month stint.

Walter hopefully continues at VFL level with us with areas of improvement noted to work on.

McGovern is able backup but could be a 1st chosen forward if Kemp/HOK are out. Attack on the footy to be better.

 

[The_BigFella]

I get giving Gov another go, but I would’ve preferred if we’d gone for Derksen instead.

 

[In Harmes Way]

Gov signed for next year

 

[bluesDeluxe]

2 contracted players will get delisted now

 

[Jimmae]

Nah. Where the hell would you play him? Not a need, would be a great get for our reserves, but would have too many in front of him for any senior consideration.

I do think he has had a raw deal at Norf. Going back a couple of years, showed enough in his cameos to suggest he had an AFL career.

A few players have failed to come on at the Kangas despite showing more than enough potential on the big stage.

If you’re getting delisted from North you can’t be travelling too well …

On the surface I'd agree however a bit of a deeper look is that Phillips is a 1 dimensional handball first mid where North's young mids are a lot better than their ladder position. Given Phillips isn't as good as them & can't play anywhere else unfortunately for him his cards are stamped

Phillips can definitely be handball happy, but you can see enough in his outside game, he just doesn't have a lot of confidence with it, and that was the clear question mark in his draft year.

North bulked him up, then proceeded to draft JHF, Sheezel, Wardlaw, and McKercher. They didn't really put the time into his development as that progressed, and he got pigeon holed.

I think he'd be a great investment, and we could play him off HF as required. Williams, Saad, Acres, and Newman are no spring chickens, while Boyd, Fogarty, and Binns probably aren't getting another contract. There's plenty of scope for him to come in and progress his development along with our youngsters.

Is he going to best 23? No, but he can get to that level quickly in the right environment, and we wouldn't hesitate to give him the right midfield roles in the VFL to do that.

I'm sure this discussion comes up every year about this time!

As Stamos said, the rules you refer to relate to the "Long Term Injury" rule, which was a feature of the rules when Rookie players weren't allowed to play in the senior side. In those days, you could play a Rookie in the AFL side if you placed one Primary List player on the LTI list for a minimum period (8/11 something like that). When the player recovered, the Rookie had to return to the Rookie list and wasn't available for the AFL side.

The LTI went out of use when Rookies were allowed to play AFL. Circa 2018 iirc. I'll dig up the relevant rules and edit here.

Edit:
From current rules (Feb 2025):
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I believe this still applies to Cat B rookies, but that's it.

 

[ctwenty1]

Gov signed for next year

hmmm

I guess it makes sense if we dont feel any of the other DFA are better than Gov

Unless its also a $ consideration

 

[The Bighouse]

I get giving Gov another go, but I would’ve preferred if we’d gone for Derksen instead.

Rookie chance / SSP (if we leave a spot open) to train-on. Has had injury concerns, check to if still on-going over a pre-season.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It's fine to keep Gov. He has versatility and understands our system.

The others are sure to be delisted now. White, Flynn Young, Charleson and Elijah.

I feel for Will White who is blue-hearted and deserved more. Charleson is one who I think has something and I want to keep.

Flynn Young got some games, and to be honest, I was only impressed in one of them, possibly his last. I can see where we might have found upgrades but it's tough.

I'd be looking to move out Binns and Fogarty a year early.