News Ben Rutten appointed new GM - Football

[EskimoPAFC]

See? You are arguing Schulz!

I am not going to defend the tosser, because I am celebrating him gone ... But the fact is, he is viewed positively throughout the footy industry, and that is what really matters out there - Not the opinions of some disgruntled, anonymous, keyboard warriors on social media. They dont give a crap about what you, or I for that matter, think.

We pretty much ALL universally liked him in his early years, but as I said he has a share in the shite-pile that this club has become. The people that have the most blame IMO though, are Koch, Richards, and Hinkley. One down, two to go. I would rather focus my attention on getting rid of them too.

I'm genuinely not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to find what the tangible positive things he did are. I'd like to give him some credit but its just that when I look at the end of his tenure I see a lot of bad and very little good compared to when he arrived at the club.

In terms of what matters, I find the footy industry is largely filled with morons who know absolutely nothing about Port Adelaide; their opinions are largely irrelevant in arriving at any kind of truth. I'd value the opinions of just about everyone on this website over most of theirs, as at least here people are generally thinking and are focused on understanding Port.

 

[TazD]

Handsome Ben

No loyalty

 

[tribey]

In terms of what matters, I find the footy industry is largely filled with morons who know absolutely nothing about Port Adelaide; their opinions are largely irrelevant in arriving at any kind of truth.

Just on this — the universal groupthink of preconceived notions about the club is probably the worst in the league, mostly couched in the popular assumption that our default size, status, financial position, ambition and ceiling is more or less permanently affixed to where we were on and off-field in 2011/12, which was 110% all our fault, of course.

That it’s so pervasive as to have infected large swaths of our own fanbase and even prominent figures in and around the club is the most frustrating thing.

You’d think we were South Australia’s North Melbourne the way our simmering mediocrity is lionised and titanic big game failures are casually shrugged off.

 

[PowerLil]

Just on this — the universal groupthink of preconceived notions about the club is probably the worst in the league, mostly couched in the popular assumption that our default size, status, financial position, ambition and ceiling is more or less permanently affixed to where we were on and off-field in 2011/12, which was 110% all our fault, of course.

That it’s so pervasive as to have infected large swaths of our own fanbase and even prominent figures in and around the club is the most frustrating thing.

You’d think we were South Australia’s North Melbourne the way our simmering mediocrity is lionised and titanic big game failures are casually shrugged off.

So infuriating when it comes from our own.

 

[jakey]

Just on this — the universal groupthink of preconceived notions about the club is probably the worst in the league, mostly couched in the popular assumption that our default size, status, financial position, ambition and ceiling is more or less permanently affixed to where we were on and off-field in 2011/12, which was 110% all our fault, of course.

That it’s so pervasive as to have infected large swaths of our own fanbase and even prominent figures in and around the club is the most frustrating thing.

You’d think we were South Australia’s North Melbourne the way our simmering mediocrity is lionised and titanic big game failures are casually shrugged off.

And its most apparent in the relative status our administrators enjoy relative to our players. Koch, Davies, Hinkley are all christ-like figures and overperformers we've been lucky to have.

When we had JHF on the way in, the levels of disbelief such a player would want in to the club were comical.

And when our blue chip players hit the trade table its all youll be lucky to get a second rounder, or maybe in the case of a generational young talent like butters, comparisons to ageing underperformers like curnow. Pretty easy for CD to look good when those are the metrics.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Industry wide Ken Hinkley is viewed as a miracle worker for getting a little old club from Alberton to finals nearly half the time. I don't give a shit what the industry thinks when the quality of critical thinking in the industry is so low.



You say that, and yet aside from 'well other people think he is!' you didn't make an argument.

What were his successes? What were his achievements? What good qualities did he bring to the role?

Davies was terrible for a decade and kept one of the worst coaches during that time for no good reason. His greatest triumphs was leaking like a sieve to Caro. That's about it.

 

[Bump Bailey]

See? You are arguing Schulz!

I am not going to defend the tosser, because I am celebrating him gone ... But the fact is, he is viewed positively throughout the footy industry, and that is what really matters out there - Not the opinions of some disgruntled, anonymous, keyboard warriors on social media. They dont give a crap about what you, or I for that matter, think.

We pretty much ALL universally liked him in his early years, but as I said he has a share in the shite-pile that this club has become. The people that have the most blame IMO though, are Koch, Richards, and Hinkley. One down, two to go. I would rather focus my attention on getting rid of them too.

Universally liked early on? I must have missed that one.

His "early years" coincided with the post-2014 bubble burst and the massive wasteland that was 2015-2019, so I can't recall too much glazing of him from the supporters during that period of mediocrity.

Add in the fact that he presented a dour, prickly and somewhat aloof public-facing persona with the media from the outset, to me he was a significant downgrade on Peter Rohde from the very beginning.

 

[Tibbs]

I'm genuinely not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to find what the tangible positive things he did are. I'd like to give him some credit but its just that when I look at the end of his tenure I see a lot of bad and very little good compared to when he arrived at the club.

In terms of what matters, I find the footy industry is largely filled with morons who know absolutely nothing about Port Adelaide; their opinions are largely irrelevant in arriving at any kind of truth. I'd value the opinions of just about everyone on this website over most of theirs, as at least here people are generally thinking and are focused on understanding Port.

You dont need to argue with me ... I couldnt agree more with you, esp on the last point. As I said, my time-line view of him is quite varied:

Arrival: I was appalled that we would appoint a non-footy person in a footy role!
First few years: Impressed, seemed to settle well into the role. Came across as strong and decisive in the media. Team going well
Middle years: Starts to go downhill as he backs Hinkley. Duel-captains, endless Gap-fill trades, supports Hinkley extension, etc
Last years: A mess - As I said, along with Hinkley, Koch, and Richardson.

You are correct re outside perception of Port, vs internal perception from success-demanding supporters

Back to this thread ... I am very happy with the Rutten appointment. I just think he wont be a yes-man like Davies

 

[Spadge]

One of the most positive things about this appointment is NO ONE HAD ANY IDEA

Which means to me, that the leaks have been somewhat sealed when previously everyone knew everything about what port were doing weeks before it was actually announced

 

[EskimoPAFC]

One of the most positive things about this appointment is NO ONE HAD ANY IDEA

Which means to me, that the leaks have been somewhat sealed when previously everyone knew everything about what port were doing weeks before it was actually announced

People suggested as leak sources...

CCornes, Davies, Ken gone.

Cardone, Koch here.

If the leaks stop it says a bit about both groups. There is every chance the main mole was actually Ken.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Peninsula Boy]

One of the most positive things about this appointment is NO ONE HAD ANY IDEA

Which means to me, that the leaks have been somewhat sealed when previously everyone knew everything about what port were doing weeks before it was actually announced

Did you see what I did just before?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So Rucci said as per the link to his segment yesterday in the Carr thread, that Paul Stewart

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had been doing the acting GM job with respect to the admin and paper work for trades and other issues around contracts and lodgement of stuff with the AFL for end of season purposes, in between CD leaving and Rutten getting stuck into his role soon.

Richo would have stepped up as would have Cripps and covered some of the stuff CD was doing.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

It feels like forever since this was announced. More news!

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Looks so much better in the right colours.

 

[backtozero]

People suggested as leak sources...

CCornes, Davies, Ken gone.

Cardone, Koch here.

If the leaks stop it says a bit about both groups. There is every chance the main mole was actually Ken.

Why do you think the media liked him so much?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Why do you think the media liked him so much?

The fact that I have no idea which one you are talking about says so much lol

 

[Duck Farmer]

So infuriating when it comes from our own.

Go support the Tingles if you don't like it.

 

[TazD]

Go support the Tingles if you don't like it.

But then support us as a second team!

 

[Powerage]

Arguably how? Make the argument.

Don't forget there's no 'remember 2012?' when it comes to Davies. He got here at the end of 2014, when we'd just come from being one kick away from a GF with a young side and were widely considered to be the most exciting young outfit in the comp. From that strong base to build off of, over his tenure we had zero success, we didn't win a single final for 6 years, we missed finals more often than we made them, and by the end his assembled coaching panel was so substandard that Josh Carr came along and sacked literally all of them aside from himself. And that's before we even get into the intangibles like the greyhound syndicate and the awful culture that fermented under his watch.

6 years from the end of 2014 takes us to the end of 2020.

1. By the end of 2020 we had an exciting list including the Brownlow runner up, 3 players in the AA team with a 20 year old Butters in the AA squad. Young exciting players with a strong base to build from.
2.We did win a final in 2020 beating the Cats in the first Qualifying finals.
3. We lost two finals by a collective margin of 8 points. Are you seriously arguing that those losses were CD's fault? Perhaps the umpiring decision in 2017 and HH deliberate out of bounds specifically his fault. I don't see how these come under the domain of the GM, Football operations.
4. You have cherry picked the first six years to make your first two arguments, then bagged his assembled coaching panel by the end of his tenure in the next breath.
5. Pedantically, its my understanding Goldsack left, he wasn't sacked by Carr.

Should CD have foreseen the banning of Ryder and Monfries before the January 2016 decision? Traded in a ruck 'just in case'. Would Port have made the finals in 2016 with Ryder? All of this is arguable but it certainly didn't do much for our 2016 season.

Don't get me wrong, I was glad to see Davies go by the end of 2024. There were arguments I would have put forward that you didn't. My biggest issue with CD in a nutshell was his continuing support of Hinkley to the extent that he did. But as pointed out previously he was not singularly responsible for the issues the club had over his time there. I'm simply pointing out that your tangible arguments don't amount to much, whilst you have demanded someone else to put forward theirs.

 

[Schulzenfest]

6 years from the end of 2014 takes us to the end of 2020.

1. By the end of 2020 we had an exciting list including the Brownlow runner up, 3 players in the AA team with a 20 year old Butters in the AA squad. Young exciting players with a strong base to build from.
2.We did win a final in 2020 beating the Cats in the first Qualifying finals.
3. We lost two finals by a collective margin of 8 points. Are you seriously arguing that those losses were CD's fault? Perhaps the umpiring decision in 2017 and HH deliberate out of bounds specifically his fault. I don't see how these come under the domain of the GM, Football operations.
4. You have cherry picked the first six years to make your first two arguments, then bagged his assembled coaching panel by the end of his tenure in the next breath.
5. Pedantically, its my understanding Goldsack left, he wasn't sacked by Carr.

Should CD have foreseen the banning of Ryder and Monfries before the January 2016 decision? Traded in a ruck 'just in case'. Would Port have made the finals in 2016 with Ryder? All of this is arguable but it certainly didn't do much for our 2016 season.

Don't get me wrong, I was glad to see Davies go by the end of 2024. There were arguments I would have put forward that you didn't. My biggest issue with CD in a nutshell was his continuing support of Hinkley to the extent that he did. But as pointed out previously he was not singularly responsible for the issues the club had over his time there. I'm simply pointing out that your tangible arguments don't amount to much, whilst you have demanded someone else to put forward theirs.

'Cherry picked the first six years'. lol. How unfair of me to judge someone for his performance in the first six years of his tenure at a new workplace.

 

[jakey]

6 years from the end of 2014 takes us to the end of 2020.

1. By the end of 2020 we had an exciting list including the Brownlow runner up, 3 players in the AA team with a 20 year old Butters in the AA squad. Young exciting players with a strong base to build from.
2.We did win a final in 2020 beating the Cats in the first Qualifying finals.
3. We lost two finals by a collective margin of 8 points. Are you seriously arguing that those losses were CD's fault? Perhaps the umpiring decision in 2017 and HH deliberate out of bounds specifically his fault. I don't see how these come under the domain of the GM, Football operations.
4. You have cherry picked the first six years to make your first two arguments, then bagged his assembled coaching panel by the end of his tenure in the next breath.
5. Pedantically, its my understanding Goldsack left, he wasn't sacked by Carr.

Should CD have foreseen the banning of Ryder and Monfries before the January 2016 decision? Traded in a ruck 'just in case'. Would Port have made the finals in 2016 with Ryder? All of this is arguable but it certainly didn't do much for our 2016 season.

Don't get me wrong, I was glad to see Davies go by the end of 2024. There were arguments I would have put forward that you didn't. My biggest issue with CD in a nutshell was his continuing support of Hinkley to the extent that he did. But as pointed out previously he was not singularly responsible for the issues the club had over his time there. I'm simply pointing out that your tangible arguments don't amount to much, whilst you have demanded someone else to put forward theirs.

Not winning a final for 5 years with the lists we had was unacceptable.

Losing that 2017 EF from two near unlosable positions was shameful. Failing to hold anyone to account for was a disgrace. But CD stuck with Hinkley. Then we did nothing for 3 years, and still he stuck with him.

While the Richmond PF was close, we continued to play a painful brand of footy, and had failed to learn the lessons we needed to about the inadequacy of our gameplan when it came to actually putting up a score against good opposition. And yet CD still stuck with Hinkley.

The failures of subsequent finals series with the young exciting group you refer to are an even worse indictment. The teams we had between 2020 and 2024 should have won a premiership, minimum. They didnt even get close. And yet CD still backed Hinkley.

 

[longdonkey]

Not winning a final for 5 years with the lists we had was unacceptable.

Losing that 2017 EF from two near unlosable positions was shameful. Failing to hold anyone to account for was a disgrace. But CD stuck with Hinkley. Then we did nothing for 3 years, and still he stuck with him.

While the Richmond PF was close, we continued to play a painful brand of footy, and had failed to learn the lessons we needed to about the inadequacy of our gameplan when it came to actually putting up a score against good opposition. And yet CD still stuck with Hinkley.

The failures of subsequent finals series with the young exciting group you refer to are an even worse indictment. The teams we had between 2020 and 2024 should have won a premiership, minimum. They didnt even get close. And yet CD still backed Hinkley.

If we are going to autopsy the Richmond Prelim Final, they had 6 extra scoring shots than us. The weather probably suited our kick it to Dixon philosophy. And we still only managed 10 scoring shots. We even got 5 more frees than them. They killed us in clearances. We lost by 6 points but that flattered us. Unfortunately it will always be remember for that free kick.

 

[Doctor Feel]

People suggested as leak sources...

CCornes, Davies, Ken gone.

Cardone, Koch here.

If the leaks stop it says a bit about both groups. There is every chance the main mole was actually Ken.

Ofcourse it was Ken. It's why the media ate out of his hand. He told them everything and they kept their dealer happy.

 

[avs]

So infuriating when it comes from our own.

Is it in league or Locally crows paying big money to local newspapers to spotlight them and circulate made up news about Port on social media . It seems that our club does not do much on this matter. It is all driviing negating image . For f sake , crows are spending big on creating crows shows on TV and to journalists friends .