Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Rippa Crippa]

I'm not sure where to post this but does any club really expect to compete in the future with for example Brisbane, Gold Coast.

With what they'll be handed and have been for a long time.
How the hell can we try to get to the top again?
It's not just us , it's a lot of Melbourne sides, even traditional interstate sides.
It's to me discouraging.

I'm thinking finally we're getting great players through the draft example Dean, Walker.

Yet Brisbane and Gold Coast especially will always seem to me. Like they are one up over everyone with what they draft talent wise.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I'm not sure where to post this but does any club really expect to compete in the future with for example Brisbane, Gold Coast.

With what they'll be handed and have been for a long time.
How the hell can we try to get to the top again?
It's not just us , it's a lot of Melbourne sides, even traditional interstate sides.
It's to me discouraging.

I'm thinking finally we're getting great players through the draft example Dean, Walker.

Yet Brisbane and Gold Coast especially will always seem to me. Like they are one up over everyone with what they draft talent wise.

It's a fair point. Though Geelong made the grand final with much less talent then Brisbane. Pies in the prelim. You dont need to have the best list to compete..

Another reason it was probably a good idea not to double down on our current group with our list moves the past few years.

 

[Rippa Crippa]

It's a fair point. Though Geelong made the grand final with much less talent then Brisbane. Pies in the prelim. You dont need to have the best list to compete..

Another reason it was probably a good idea not to double down on our current group with our list moves the past few years.

Free agency helps big clubs like who you mentioned. Only my opinion.
Afl is so uneven in so many ways, it's hard to have faith in the game anymore.

 

[katmanblue]

Hope JSoS is clear headed and doesn’t participate in anything like this…

Don't usually have best mates with different interests.

 

[Crippa#9]

Free agency helps big clubs like who you mentioned. Only my opinion.
Afl is so uneven in so many ways, it's hard to have faith in the game anymore.

It's incumbent now on 'middle of the road' teams (like us) to attack the successful clubs.
Ultimately they're not going to be able to pay their stars the level they're worth.

Zac Bailey, Logan Morris, Darcy Wilmot, Ben King, Bailey Humphrey, Jed Walter, Jake Rogers - These are some of the guys that bottom & mid-tier clubs should have their TPP in shape enough to pry them out.

 

[JustaBattler]

I'm not sure where to post this but does any club really expect to compete in the future with for example Brisbane, Gold Coast.

With what they'll be handed and have been for a long time.
How the hell can we try to get to the top again?
It's not just us , it's a lot of Melbourne sides, even traditional interstate sides.
It's to me discouraging.

I'm thinking finally we're getting great players through the draft example Dean, Walker.

Yet Brisbane and Gold Coast especially will always seem to me. Like they are one up over everyone with what they draft talent wise.

Brisbane and Suns are two Clubs in one State. Melbourne has how many Clubs in one state? They get to develop players and have less competition for them under current draft rules - designed to build the game up in rugby league and rugby land. Similar concessions wer emad to Sydney fo rdecades though COLA. Massive concessions to GWS through draft and ambassadorships...all will be repeated and more to get Tasmania up and running.

TV rights produce the money to pay entertainers like TDK $1.7M p.a. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT ... TV rights want National coverage and dont give a toss about inequity they want eyeballs on all teh time to seel gambling and players arent going ot complain about the average hack earning 500k pa...

Simples.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

If we draft and develop well over multiple years, trade astutely and play a quality brand of football, and still fall short, then I'll start complaining about inequities in the system.

 

[marcmurphy3]

If we draft and develop well over multiple years, trade astutely and play a quality brand of football, and still fall short, then I'll start complaining about inequities in the system.

Also, if we are even half decent we are one of those big clubs that will benefit from free agency. Players will want to come to us

Issue for us lately is we'd already spent most our cap and on players not performing to their contracts.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Issue for us lately is we'd already spent most our cap and on players not performing to their contract

This has partly been because we've been attempting to look for 'value' in players who may have underperformed due to injury or whatever and had a belief we'd get more out of them.

Martin
Williams
Elijah
McGovern?

All came to us with queries, which is largely why we were able to get them.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This has partly been because we've been attempting to look for 'value' in players who may have underperformed due to injury or whatever and had a belief we'd get more out of them.

Martin
Williams
Elijah
McGovern?

All came to us with queries, which is largely why we were able to get them.

Williams and McGovern didn't have queries when they came to the club. Hence why we paid them absurd amounts of cash. Both rocked up fat and took years before showing any of the form we initially brought them in for.

 

[Soapy V]

If we draft and develop well over multiple years, trade astutely and play a quality brand of football, and still fall short, then I'll start complaining about inequities in the system.

The system is the system. Good clubs use it then to the best of their abilities. Poor clubs complain even when it won't change anything

 

[Rippa Crippa]

Also, if we are even half decent we are one of those big clubs that will benefit from free agency. Players will want to come to us

Issue for us lately is we'd already spent most our cap and on players not performing to their contracts.

Good point about us and free agency.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I'm not sure where to post this but does any club really expect to compete in the future with for example Brisbane, Gold Coast.

With what they'll be handed and have been for a long time.
How the hell can we try to get to the top again?
It's not just us , it's a lot of Melbourne sides, even traditional interstate sides.
It's to me discouraging.

I'm thinking finally we're getting great players through the draft example Dean, Walker.

Yet Brisbane and Gold Coast especially will always seem to me. Like they are one up over everyone with what they draft talent wise.

Yep, clubs with academies, can do very well without high draft picks and talent identification & fall back on their academies. There is almost zero risk of a bottom 4 finish. Sydney & Brisbane are 40 yo clubs- they should not have academies

 

[Gavstar]

Williams and McGovern didn't have queries when they came to the club. Hence why we paid them absurd amounts of cash. Both rocked up fat and took years before showing any of the form we initially brought them in for.

Williams was an elite running back at the Giants where did we play him?

Some genius thought he was an elite midfielder, when he wouldn't have ever broken into the Giants midfield. Now he's a forward, all because we overpaid for Saad who played the same position, and we also had Newman and Doc (though less run and carry).

McGovern has never changed from Adelaide to Carlton we overpaid for an inconsistent and injury prone player.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Williams was an elite running back at the Giants where did we play him?

Some genius thought he was an elite midfielder, when he wouldn't have ever broken into the Giants midfield. Now he's a forward, all because we overpaid for Saad who played the same position, and we also had Newman and Doc (though less run and carry).

McGovern has never changed from Adelaide to Carlton we overpaid for an inconsistent and injury prone player.

Williams was BOG in two finals playing as a midfielder, hence why we thought we could play him through the middle. And in fact, in the last couple of seasons he's played a fair few minutes on ball and looked great. So perhaps it wasn't as outlandish as we thought at the time. His issue was he came here about 10kgs heavier than he left the Giants and so he could barely get out of a jog with us and lost the express pace he once possessed.

McGovern the same, rocked up fat and thus the injuries came rolling in. Could barely jump at stages and completely lost faith in his body.

Standards at the club were the issue with both of them. They wouldn't have dared rock up at Adelaide or GWS in the shape they showed up at Carlton in.

Saad overpaid? Never going to agree with that.

 

[katmanblue]

Williams was BOG in two finals playing as a midfielder, hence why we thought we could play him through the middle. And in fact, in the last couple of seasons he's played a fair few minutes on ball and looked great. So perhaps it wasn't as outlandish as we thought at the time. His issue was he came here about 10kgs heavier than he left the Giants and so he could barely get out of a jog with us and lost the express pace he once possessed.

McGovern the same, rocked up fat and thus the injuries came rolling in. Could barely jump at stages and completely lost faith in his body.

Standards at the club were the issue with both of them. They wouldn't have dared rock up at Adelaide or GWS in the shape they showed up at Carlton in.

Saad overpaid? Never going to agree with that.

It was madness recruiting McGovern, right?

I mean, we had so many players clamouring to come to us after we got pants by a 16 man GWS. Particularly without a significant bump in salary.

Here is a complete list of players that wanted to get to us without a pay bump:





Yep, that's the complete list. So tell me, what should we have done with the cap space?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

It's incumbent now on 'middle of the road' teams (like us) to attack the successful clubs.
Ultimately they're not going to be able to pay their stars the level they're worth.

Zac Bailey, Logan Morris, Darcy Wilmot, Ben King, Bailey Humphrey, Jed Walter, Jake Rogers - These are some of the guys that bottom & mid-tier clubs should have their TPP in shape enough to pry them out.

100% correct

We may complain we got stitched on the bidding discounts and DVI but it had to change and every club will now be getting stitched and paying much closer to value

Just need to pillage the cream from those northern clubs continuously….and St.Kilda, they’ve gone and blown all the cap to easily keep all their youngsters

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It was madness recruiting McGovern, right?

I mean, we had so many players clamouring to come to us after we got pants by a 16 man GWS. Particularly without a significant bump in salary.

Here is a complete list of players that wanted to get to us without a pay bump:





Yep, that's the complete list. So tell me, what should we have done with the cap space?

What?

 

[katmanblue]

What?

McGovern overpaid keeps getting repeated on here constantly. It gets a bit tiresome.

He was only overpaid in his first contract. The subsequent one(s) have been quite club friendly.

The reason he was overpaid in the first one was because we were a rabble and couldn't get anyone signature without overpaying at that stage.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

McGovern overpaid keeps getting repeated on here constantly. It gets a bit tiresome.

He was only overpaid in his first contract. The subsequent one(s) have been quite club friendly.

The reason he was overpaid in the first one was because we were a rabble and couldn't get anyone signature without overpaying at that stage.

Won't find any argument from me. Gov would be on a minimum contract now for 2026 so I have no issue with him being kept on one more year.

 

[Jimmae]

**** that noise... West Coast can have 11 at best if they want to make that trade.

 

[Tommy Alvin]

the reason why Geelong, Collingwood and Brisbane successfully recruit ready made players from other clubs is not rocket science. They have a system that works and don't try and turn a player into a star but slot them into their plans.

We have to learn how to do this, otherwise the McGovern, Fantasia, Williams, Martin, Kennedy, Cerra, etc cycle of disappointment will keep turning.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes we have got it right. Heath Scotland

Heath Scotland

Age

45

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

9.2

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.4

3star

was ok. Newman has been excellent and Doc thrived when he came home. The common denominator with these three players is that they played in the position that they were recruited to play.

TA

 

[agro]

McGovern overpaid keeps getting repeated on here constantly. It gets a bit tiresome.

He was only overpaid in his first contract. The subsequent one(s) have been quite club friendly.

The reason he was overpaid in the first one was because we were a rabble and couldn't get anyone signature without overpaying at that stage.

 

[Benaly28]

He’ll ask for trade to the aints to play with his mate.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The Tasmania timeline doesn't seem to be getting any clearer, noticeable that while the AFL announced the assistance package they would be getting, they intentionally did not tie the picks to actual years on the calendar just (Draft 1, Draft 2 etc). Damien Barrett today criticising the Devils and saying the game isn't in the right place for it. As a key correspondent for the AFL, that sort of language doesn't get thrown around lightly. There is a good chance the Devils entry is canned, or at least delayed by a year or more.

Perhaps our 2027 picks we just picked up for cheap won't be as useless as people think they are.