Play Nice AFL Womens - General Discussion

[The Nostradamus]

^dont worry we will be losing players through retirement

(Shierlaw, wright who was inactive this year but year prior AA squad and likely Kearney)

 

[mpal6]

^dont worry we will be losing players through retirement

(Shierlaw, wright who was inactive this year but year prior AA squad and likely Kearney)

I don't mind your successful run actually. If you keep going with the undefeated streak, it'll force AFLW to do something as it'll clearly become a hard to sell product. Not your fault but a qualifying final game vs a top 4 opponent where they scored only 3 points - that'll be alarm bells for AFL.

 

[Teen Wolf]

The Bulldogs tried to trade pick 50 for a top 5 GWS player. GWS went along with it because they had their own draft zone at the time, so it didn't make any difference to them.

AFL intervened and said no, you still need to give up something approaching fair trade value (pick 28) to make it happen.

And this is supposed to prove some sort of pro-North conspiracy. Oh-kayyy.

 

[mpal6]

The Bulldogs tried to trade pick 50 for a top 5 GWS player. GWS went along with it because they had their own draft zone at the time, so it didn't make any difference to them.

AFL intervened and said no, you still need to give up something approaching fair trade value (pick 28) to make it happen.

And this is supposed to prove some sort of pro-North conspiracy. Oh-kayyy.

You're pointing out one but the Dogs coach of that time is saying many trades. I have no backstory to verify either way - all I'm pointing out is you got the highest profile players in off-season last 2 years and there wasn't much noise around it. Let's see how the next off-season goes and where you stand beyond that.

 

[Teen Wolf]

You're pointing out one but the Dogs coach of that time is saying many trades. I have no backstory to verify either way

Unsurprisingly Nathan Burke didn't provide specifics, be it of the example I mentioned, or the time the Dogs tried to fleece West Coast, or any other instance.

all I'm pointing out is you got the highest profile players in off-season last 2 years and there wasn't much noise around it. Let's see how the next off-season goes and where you stand beyond that.

Fair trades were made for Sheerin and Birch, hence little controversy.

If Weston-Turner wants to go to NM, we will probably see a repeat of the Rennie situation. NM will make a fair offer, WB will sabotage themselves by rejecting it for no good reason, she will then walk to the draft, and NM will just take her with the pick they would've given up in a trade.

 

[Liam Boy]

Blues to use home change rooms for semi-final despite being away team

Despite being the away side for Saturday night's semi-final against Hawthorn, Carlton will use Ikon Park's home change rooms

www.afl.com.au

I was ready to call this an unbelievable outrage. But apparently Hawthorn requested the away rooms. Why????

 

[pattymalone00]

Blues to use home change rooms for semi-final despite being away team

Despite being the away side for Saturday night's semi-final against Hawthorn, Carlton will use Ikon Park's home change rooms

www.afl.com.au

I was ready to call this an unbelievable outrage. But apparently Hawthorn requested the away rooms. Why????

sounds like Carlton would have got access to there indoor facility anyways... "The want for consistency has won out for the Hawks, with another benefit the slightly larger warm-up space built into the rooms (with Carlton having access to its indoor training shed for warm-ups)." and plus they are closer to the bench I guess

 

[Aristarchus]

Well if the changerooms didn't flood last week then should be fine this week...

 

[CURVE]

If Weston-Turner wants to go to NM, we will probably see a repeat of the Rennie situation. NM will make a fair offer, WB will sabotage themselves by rejecting it for no good reason, she will then walk to the draft, and NM will just take her with the pick they would've given up in a trade.

The Rennie trade always brings a smile to my face, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, it has to be one of the dumbest non-trades in AFLW history, at least until Hawthorn's unwillingness to give up pick 14 for Harris last year.

 

[timokane]

Getting a bit bullish on Collingwood in the next AFLW.

They can be the next real x factor team in the comp.

They look to have x factor about them.

A while to go but finally on the right track.

Like to see Pies girls make finals next year.

 

[weevil]

I didn't say that teams do not change, if you read what I was replying to it was your comment that we have nothing left to play for which I think is an odd comment to make, even your revised "relatively little" given we have seen a team like Geelong in the men's competition remain in the zone for decades let alone 2 years.

Team change, it is part of footy. Kearney and Shierlaw are 36 years old, there is a strong chance they wont go again next year. Garner is 31, not sure how long she can play at her current standard, we moved Kearney out of the midfield to prolong her career, I am not sure what plans the club has. We brought in Sheerin as a 32 year old, she is 33 atm so she isn't going to be around for a long time.




We have only won one flag, how many Grand Finals has Brisbane been in since the competition started?

2017: Adelaide def Brisbane
2018: Bulldogs def Brisbane
2019: Adelaide def Carlton
2020: ---
2021: Brisbane def Adelaide
2022 S6: Adelaide def Melbourne
2022 S7: Melbourne def Brisbane
2023: Brisbane def North
2024: North def Brisbane

That is six grand finals your club has been in eight season the competition has gone through to completion and you are in another preliminary final. I think if we were in 75% of the Grand Finals then people would have a legitimate gripe about our team, especially if we got there on the back of having sole access to the talent in the entire state to form the side.

Perhaps your apathy is seeing your own club in so many Grand Finals. YOUR club and Adelaide were the two obstacles to get past, and to a lesser extent Melbourne. Your clubs moulded our club to play the kind of footy we have played in the last couple of years.

Nobody helped us to overcome your sides. Your clubs set the standard and we strove to surpass it.

Hawks won a lot of games this year but their standard slipped from last year, they struggled to score this year and the wet greasy conditions on a stadium a lot wider than Frankston and a lot harder to defend and losing a number of players during the game didn't do them any favours.

If they played us earlier in the year they would have had more time to adjust, having to play us back to back wasn't ideal for them. I think their coach felt he had to try something different to beat us and it was obviously not a style that suited them or they had a lot of practice with playing.

I'll be honest, the standard of footy from most sides is quite poor in terms of skill level, there are some players that look like they would struggle to run a few laps of the oval. These clubs have to lift their game to get up the standard of the top tier teams. It is imperative for the competition that all the clubs come to our standard than to force us back into the pack of clubs that are playing a brand of footy that is holding the competition back.

I think there are some clubs that bridge the gap relatively quickly, others will take longer, not everyone is putting the same effort into their AFLW program. If I was to suggest the Geelong and Brisbane men's teams should be handicapped because our men's team is dysfunctional then it would be ridiculous. The answer is we need to get our shit together in the men's comp. It is the same answer for everyone who field sides in the AFLW that can't hit a team mate with an uncontested disposal.

My point was that people and situations change, and that just because players have not left yet does not mean they won’t leave in the future. Particularly as previously the team had been striving for success, whereas now all their games are completely devoid of any actual competition and are just a series of unchallenging, meaningless thrashings.

Hawthorn didn’t just have a bad day and there is nothing the slightest bit comparable to the Geelong men’s team who have been contenders for a long time, or even the 2000 Bombers men’s team, who were nowhere near as dominant as this North team.

There is no other reference. Hstorically this North side are completely off the scale. This is objectively the least competitive season of AFL/AFLW in history, with the second least competitive being last year. With a massive gap between both of these years and any other.

North’s percentage is three hundred and twenty; there has been no contest this year, North have absolutely obliterated every team they have played. They scored more than three times more than their opponents in 70% of their games. There were only two games where they didn’t more than double their opponent’s score, and both times they only missed doubling by a small margin.

Pretty much the only people who can’t acknowledge that this might not actually be good for the competition as a whole are some North supporters.

Of course, I’m not saying everything about it is bad, I think North absolutely highlight to a bunch of (particularly Melbourne) clubs that their programs and cultures are nowhere near to standard and need to get massively better. But that very obviously does not make up for the negative impact of a meaningless year in terms of the winner of the comp.

As I have pointed out multiple times now in this thread, having Brisbane and the same other OG clubs constantly entrenched near the top of the ladder is also very bad for the growth of the competition and equalisation measures need to include them too.

The AFL never admit that anything is a problem. They have never admitted that some AFLW programs have been substandard, and they will absolutely never say that they want to weaken the top clubs by moving some of their talent to the weaker clubs. But that’s absolutely why they are introducing the salary cap, and they will engineer it to make sure that it does.

 

[X_box_X]

This NM team reminds me of Eyedol from Killer Instinct in the Super Nintendo era.

They can hurt you in many different ways. It's hard to breach their defence, and when you finally put score on the board and you think you have momentum, they re-energise.

Don't expect them to make a mistake.

Don't expect them to take their foot off the pedal either because they have a certain killer instinct that is unrivalled.

 

[Liam Boy]

Sure, I welcome any changes to the salary cap rules that encourage player moves. I'm not sure it'll have the desired affect because our players keep signing on and would probably rather stay.

I think North's year is good for the competition in the macro sense because they've achieved this dominance by improving their fitness standards to be able to run out games, and improving the spectacle by focusing on skill execution. That's the bar that the AFLW want all other teams to be forced to reach because it makes for a more watchable product. I'm not just saying that to defend my team, I've seen it first hand; I got a mate into the AFLW this year when he'd never really watched it before. I brought him to the North/Essendon game at windy hill, and despite the shitty conditions and a final scoreline that looks uncompetitive, it was an incredibly fun experience. You had the bombers smashing the first quarter to go 20-0 followed by North just hammering them at the other end, Emma King and Blaithin Bogue kicking ridiculous snap goals, things that people come to the footy to see. He ended up attending a Collingwood AFLW home game with his family, which he probably wouldn't have done otherwise, and I've been bringing him along to the finals. He's talking about buying a Collingwood AFLW membership next year.

 

[Dory_77]

This NM team reminds me of Eyedol from Killer Instinct in the Super Nintendo era.

They can hurt you in many different ways. It's hard to breach their defence, and when you finally put score on the board and you think you have momentum, they re-energise.

Don't expect them to make a mistake.

Don't expect them to take their foot off the pedal either because they have a certain killer instinct that is unrivalled.

KI is a throwback. Loved that game, had a dope soundtrack too from memory

 

[X_box_X]

One of my all time favourite Super NES games.

I could talk about it for pages and pages but that conversation is best left for another forum.

 

[FreoAFLWMan]

AFLW Premiers (Rest of Decade)

2025: North Melbourne
2026: North Melbourne
2027: Fremantle
2028: St Kilda
2029: Port Adelaide or Sydney

 

[Teen Wolf]

Nobody, be it a North supporter or otherwise, denies it would be good for the competition (by definition) to have more genuine premiership contenders.

Anybody, who is being honest, admits the reason for the competitive imbalance is mostly because of poorly run programs by complacent clubs.

In other words, the thing that the original 8 clubs asked for back in March 2018, is exactly what has happened:

The inaugural clubs have rejected the league’s initial proposal of using a points system to redistribute talent.

This could have forced clubs to divest at least one of their stars, but protected them against the loss of all top talent.

In the new plan, a club could lose four of its best players, or none, depending on its ability to convince them to stay.

Clubs have backed their culture and own organisation’s appeal to hold on to their premier talent.

Now those same clubs are saying, "Hey, it was really silly of you to listen to us back then, but listen to us now because we've got some ideas about changes to the salary cap which will help the competition."

 

[Jeremias]

Getting a bit bullish on Collingwood in the next AFLW.

They can be the next real x factor team in the comp.

They look to have x factor about them.

A while to go but finally on the right track.

Like to see Pies girls make finals next year.

Love the optimism Timmy - knew you wouldn’t be down in the dumps about them for too long.

Realistically, 3 wins and 50 odd percent is a big gap to bridge in one off-season.

 

[CURVE]

AFLW Premiers (Rest of Decade)

2025: North Melbourne (undefeated)
2026: North Melbourne (undefeated)
2027: North Melbourne (undefeated)
2028: North Melbourne (1 loss)
2029: North Melbourne (2 losses)

Corrected for you

I think our winning streak will come to an end somewhere in the mid 60's.

You can thank me later.

 

[BluesForEternity]

Love the optimism Timmy - knew you wouldn’t be down in the dumps about them for too long.

Realistically, 3 wins and 50 odd percent is a big gap to bridge in one off-season.

To be fair - Carlton was 4 wins and 50 percent last year. The Pies have improved meaningfully from 2024 (2 more wins!), so maybe there is some room to be optimistic for them!

 

[weevil]

Now those same clubs are saying, "Hey, it was really silly of you to listen to us back then, but listen to us now because we've got some ideas about changes to the salary cap which will help the competition."

It’s also why I think we would have been much better off if they had let clubs into the comp when they were actually ready, not just “ready or not here we come”.

It was a brilliant game today, and I think the comp would be absolutely flying right now if we had more teams at this standard, not just more teams for the sake of it.

 

[timokane]

Who thinks the AFLW should next year be a rolling fixture like every say 2-3 days theres a game on.

Like in bblw where theres a game every 2 days.

Like to see it.

Not so much weekend rounds but played on say a tuesday and thursday as well.

Like to see a rolling fixture.

And shorten it up as well.

Games just keep rolling on.

The a play off top 4

2 semis and grand final

Thats finals

2 weeks of finals

rest of the home and away are played tuesday thursday saturday and sunday.

keeps the aflw going and quicken it all up to keep the interest going

 

[cats_09]

Who thinks the AFLW should next year be a rolling fixture like every say 2-3 days theres a game on.

Like in bblw where theres a game every 2 days.

Like to see it.

Not so much weekend rounds but played on say a tuesday and thursday as well.

Like to see a rolling fixture.

And shorten it up as well.

Games just keep rolling on.

The a play off top 4

2 semis and grand final

Thats finals

2 weeks of finals

rest of the home and away are played tuesday thursday saturday and sunday.

keeps the aflw going and quicken it all up to keep the interest going

Cause last year when they tried to play condensed rounds it was so well received

 

[Jeremias]

To be fair - Carlton was 4 wins and 50 percent last year. The Pies have improved meaningfully from 2024 (2 more wins!), so maybe there is some room to be optimistic for them!

You’re right, it’s possible. It’s just very, very unlikely. And not based on much other than…oh, it’s Collingwood.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Proving the correct approach to lazy clubs isn't to simply wait for them to lift their game. Nor is it to change the rules to accommodate their laziness.

No! The correct thing to do is mock and shame them mercilessly until they get on board.