No Oppo Supporters General AFL discussion and other club’s news - Part 10

[Ashman23]

Teams missed finals this year with 14 and 12 wins, clear finalists in previous years

Hardly mediocre

Definition of mediocre - just acceptable but not good; not good enough.

The Bulldogs won 64% of their games

Whether 64% is considered mediocre depends on the context, but it is generally a failing or below-average grade in many academic and professional settings. It is often just below the typical passing threshold of 70%

 

[brad sue well]

Tanya Hosch? Armstrong raised that very point with him around what that says about their priorities, and the response was... calling it underwhelming would be kind

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Cheers, will have a read and tune in. Good on Armstrong for raising topics needing to be raised and answered. Indigenous players are tighter as a collective than any team is. Dillon has effectively told them, you have no head at his headquarters. Private school educated, comes from a religious family that seems closed off, sheltered in a bubble. Looks like minimal interest and understanding. I know a bit more than what I am writing and even what I have written that is publicly published isn't a good look. Dillon felt he needed to change things up and needed to consult with his predecessors to do so, doesn't come across as someone who really cares about the individual. That he is incredibly bland despite media training is really uncomfortable. Loosen up, you won't get sacked buddy. Driving to private school boy Bailey Smith didn't hit the mark at all.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Definition of mediocre - just acceptable but not good; not good enough.

The Bulldogs won 64% of their games

Whether 64% is considered mediocre depends on the context, but it is generally a failing or below-average grade in many academic and professional settings. It is often just below the typical passing threshold of 70%

So your issue is that acceptable teams might make finals

So by that metric, being below 70%

5th and below were mediocre last year

The whole “it rewards mediocre performances” is so outdated

We reward teams with compensation picks for losing players
We reward teams for being poor for long periods of time

Much worse “rewards” in the game current than 2 extra games being played

 

[killerspud]

So your issue is that acceptable teams might make finals

So by that metric, being below 70%

5th and below were mediocre last year

The whole “it rewards mediocre performances” is so outdated

We reward teams with compensation picks for losing players
We reward teams for being poor for long periods of time

Much worse “rewards” in the game current than 2 extra games being played

Each season is of itself and cannot really be compared to previous seasons (especially when the draw, draft, venues and other factors are compromised)

The idea of a final ten in an 18 team competition is frankly ridiculous.

I think there are probably too many finals as it is but I can live with it - The idea we fill the week break (which shouldn't be there) with more games is stupid.

But if you enamoured with the idea why don't we add another week and 10,11, 12, and 13th can play off to see see who can be 10th

Its all plainly a money making exercise that weakens and dilutes the competition

 

[Randy Campbell]

I like watching football, so I have no problems with having extra games to watch.

 

[unitedhawk2]

Each season is of itself and cannot really be compared to previous seasons (especially when the draw, draft, venues and other factors are compromised)

The idea of a final ten in an 18 team competition is frankly ridiculous.

I think there are probably too many finals as it is but I can live with it - The idea we fill the week break (which shouldn't be there) with more games is stupid.

But if you enamoured with the idea why don't we add another week and 10,11, 12, and 13th can play off to see see who can be 10th

Its all plainly a money making exercise that weakens and dilutes the competition

I've read a lot of comparisons with the NFL and MLB playoffs in preceding pages but no-one has yet mentioned the NBA, which I don't personally follow as closely as the other two major American sports - apologies to NHL fans but calling Ice Hockey a major sport would be somewhat of an exaggeration.

Anyway, in the NBA, if you include the play-in tournament, which appears to have inspired the AFL's wildcard round, 20 out of 30 teams (10 of 15 in each conference) are in with a chance of playing off for the Larry O'Brien Championship Trophy after their regular season, which equates to the AFL's H&A.

That's 66.67%, significantly more than the AFL's 10 out of 18 (55.56%) that will eventually become 10 of 20 (50%).

Doesn't seem too bad, does it?

 

[hfc70]

Whilst we are pontificating the merits of this new wonderful Finals extravaganza, why don’t we consider the following- A lightning premiership

Teams 7th to 18th play in a carnival of 2 quarters per game until only
2 teams survive, to make the actual finals. Oh what a splendiferous weekend of footy to pass the ‘annoyance’ of the ill-timed bye.

 

[cryptor]

Just give the people what they want. A return of the Ansett Cup.

 

[Ashman23]

So your issue is that acceptable teams might make finals

So by that metric, being below 70%

5th and below were mediocre last year

The whole “it rewards mediocre performances” is so outdated

We reward teams with compensation picks for losing players
We reward teams for being poor for long periods of time

Much worse “rewards” in the game current than 2 extra games being played

It you happened to be reading back further I was actually against the introduction of the final eight.

Top 5 was best, top 6 acceptable.

Moving on, what's the point of us discussing this as nobody is going to change their opinion of it.

As for the 'we' discussion, that's the AFL which somehow is answerable to nobody. I also don't agree with compensation picks, nor assistance picks.

 

[unitedhawk2]

Just give the people what they want. A return of the Ansett Cup.

Remind me - how many night premierships did Dermie win?

 

[hardway]

Finals are meant to be hard to get to, the top 10 now makes it hard to miss out.

 

[SammyC]

Answer with a yes or no please.

Would you have preferred us to have had zero chance of winning the flag this year given we were one win off 3rd spot?

Yes- I would have preferred zero chance.

No- I would have still liked to have had chance.

Cornered.

I can confirm that (as a diehard supporter of a team that was incredibly stiff to finish 8th with a historically unprecedented 15 wins) I would still have liked us to have had a chance to win the GF this year despite finishing 8th.

But its the wrong question ... Is it ok that the odds are heavily stacked against teams that finish 7th and 8th from progressing to the GF? YES.

Do I want the pre finals bye to be replaced with meaningful games? YES

 

[bigmaxi]

Just give the people what they want. A return of the Ansett Cup.

and Night Footy!!!!!

 

[Steven Tyler]

I hope the fans of the 2 teams playing in wildcard final don’t show up, a big f you to the stupidity of this decision

 

[hfc70]

I hope the fans of the 2 teams playing in wildcard final don’t show up, a big f you to the stupidity of this decision

Actually 4 teams

 

[burger09]

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[burger09]

Cornered.

I can confirm that (as a diehard supporter of a team that was incredibly stiff to finish 8th with a historically unprecedented 15 wins) I would still have liked us to have had a chance to win the GF this year despite finishing 8th.

But its the wrong question ... Is it ok that the odds are heavily stacked against teams that finish 7th and 8th from progressing to the GF? YES.

Do I want the pre finals bye to be replaced with meaningful games? YES

Nice try. Ha, ha.

Unfortunately these so called "meaningful games" are in fact "pointless AFL cash cows".

 

[marklar]

They should have made the wildcard games be AFLX rules just to make it more exciting.

Or if that's not exciting enough, add in the Big Bash bat flip to decide which set of rules to play.

 

[burger09]

I hope the fans of the 2 teams playing in wildcard final don’t show up, a big f you to the stupidity of this decision

The only thing the AFL will listen to.
If they dont make the money their expecting to.

Unfortunately most fans dont have the resolve.

They'll be drawn like moths to the bright lights.

 

[Mercy Seat]

I think some times we miss the point. The game is for the fans, the adoring emotionally charged lovers of all things footy. With this in mind, we would have liked to have a say in it. For a sport that prides itself to be inclusive, meh not so much.

To play devils advocate for a moment, if the fans had our way, we wouldn’t have night footy, interstate teams, televised footy, 18 teams, a top 8, etc etc. almost every major change in the game has been met with resistance, some things more than others.

Change in the game is necessary and typically as fans we tend to like things to stay the way they are.

I’m fairly ambivalent and open minded to the format so I’m not saying one way or another. But I don’t think the fans opinion is a particularly good point given its historic opposition to things that we now all love about the game.

 

[unitedhawk2]

I hope the fans of the 2 teams playing in wildcard final don’t show up, a big f you to the stupidity of this decision

Not a direct response to your comment but it did get me wondering about what reactions people had when the AFL decided to increase the number of finalists from 6 to 8 around 25 years ago.

I tried to remember what my reaction was when I first read/heard about it and I honestly can't recall, which makes me think it might've been something akin to a shrug of the shoulders and a thought that could be verbalised as "Hmm...alright then" followed by the next thought that would probably have been completely unrelated to footy.

Anyone else recall what their reaction was? If it was as negative as that of most regarding the increase from 8 to 10 now, do you remember how long it took for you to come to terms with having 8 finalists?

Anyone?

 

[unitedhawk2]

To play devils advocate for a moment, if the fans had our way, we wouldn’t have night footy, interstate teams, televised footy, 18 teams, a top 8, etc etc. almost every major change in the game has been met with resistance, some things more than others.

Change in the game is necessary and typically as fans we tend to like things to stay the way they are.

I’m fairly ambivalent and open minded to the format so I’m not saying one way or another. But I don’t think the fans opinion is a particularly good point given its historic opposition to things that we now all love about the game.

This.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Having mulled on it for a few days....
.... Anything is better than the stupid bye week

Round zeeeeeeeerrrooooooo

 

[moginie]

To play devils advocate for a moment, if the fans had our way, we wouldn’t have night footy, interstate teams, televised footy, 18 teams, a top 8, etc etc. almost every major change in the game has been met with resistance, some things more than others.

And that's fair enough.

But to play devil's advocate to the above; if the AFL had had their way, our club would have ceased to exist.

 

[Blackhawk42]

No chance? Why? Try and look at this wothout thinking what it means for Hawthorn.

More footy (2 more elimination games), less tanking, more relevant games late in the season and no dead week.

Im laughing so hard at the amount of meltdowns happening over this.

What do you mean no tanking?

If you're 7th and can't move any higher heading into the final round, what do you think coaches are going to do at team selection?