Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[1970crow]

I wonder if it would end up playing out as follows re recovering costs, compensation and criminal blame

1. Bruhn camp sues the AFL for a whole raft of things - loss of ability to play. loss of potential future earnings etc etc and that is then in the hands of the AFL insurers to come to a settlement

2. The AFL insurers then seek a civil claim against he people who brought the false claim to court to recover costs as the AFL themselves are an affected party in all this

3. The Bruhn camp press charges against the people who fabricated claims against him and his friend would do the same thing.

In the end, the people that lied to try and get Bruhn in big trouble need to be held to full account and pay a heavy price for it. Bruhn needs to be financially compensated for a whole raft of grievances. The AFL insurers will no doubt then seek to recover costs against the people that fabricated the whole thing

1 & 3 are viable process, 2 is not. The insurers have no direct claim with the people who lied to create the charges. They cannot sue those people, there is no legal link to them. The AFL made the decision to sanction a player who had not been guilty of an offence, they jumped the gun, the liability is solely theirs. There is a 4th, Bruhn could attempt to sue VICPOL for malicious prosecution.

 

[bluebob1]

another possibility is that he does nothing as he doesnt want to drag this into court as maybe the complainant lied and has been found not guilty but doesnt mean that his behaviour was exemplary and he is totally innocent

 

[Bovo]

another possibility is that he does nothing as he doesnt want to drag this into court as maybe the complainant lied and has been found not guilty but doesnt mean that his behaviour was exemplary and he is totally innocent

Not having exemplary behaviours isn’t a criminal offence. A tarnished reputation isn’t the same as a criminal record

 

[Mutineer]

another possibility is that he does nothing as he doesnt want to drag this into court as maybe the complainant lied and has been found not guilty but doesnt mean that his behaviour was exemplary and he is totally innocent

That's very different to what his lawyers have said he wants, he's had his name dragged through the mud by a couple of lowlife cretins. Can't imagine how furious he and his nearest and dearest would be.

 

[spenze]

Maybe we are saying the same thing different ways? “infinitely worse - allowing a player who is subsequently found guilty to continue playing.” Continue playing after being found guilty seems a no brainer. The issue here is the period where a verdict is still being decided. Leave of absence for mental health for accused player also makes sense, but when a player feels they are being unfairly disciplined for something they didn’t do is murky waters. Surely player who professes their innocence and then has it proven they were innocent doesn’t need the mental anguish of having a punishment from the AFL ”just in case”

I’m having a hard time figuring out my own beliefs on this one.

AFL are his employer.

He may want to play but if they say he can't and that it is for these reasons then he is stuck on leave. The AFL can direct his club not to play him, especially Geelong, "don't play him or we get independent auditors, not your mates"

 

[Bovo]

AFL are his employer.

He may want to play but if they say he can't and that it is for these reasons then he is stuck on leave. The AFL can direct his club not to play him, especially Geelong, "don't play him or we get independent auditors, not your mates"

Some contracts have a number of games clause in them don’t they? It’s murky. I’m glad I only have an opinion and not the responsibility.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The fans generally never want change.

I think this gives a deserved advantage to the teams finishing 5th and 6th, which is good.

The gap between 6th and 7th during the season isn’t that big.

6th advantage is that they get a home final, they don’t deserve that and a week off. It’s an unfair advantage.

 

[spenze]

Some contracts have a number of games clause in them don’t they? It’s murky. I’m glad I only have an opinion and not the responsibility.

In larger corporations, similar things happen, we had a guy stood down whilst on domestic assault charges until the court case. I'm not sure what the deal would have been if he said he refused to stand down but it was the best bfor all concerned at the time that he did.

 

[1970crow]

Some contracts have a number of games clause in them don’t they? It’s murky. I’m glad I only have an opinion and not the responsibility.

I think the AFL would be legally ok standing down a player charged with rape as long as they’re paid and they get the process right. Even if there was a case for lost wages, it won’t be that hard for the parties to come together and settle on a figure.

 

[ams4crows]

Due to the suppression order it's probably only real footy nuffies who know about the story, I'm not sure his reputation is that damaged amongst the general public. It's probably best to just move on from it all. It's really sad some one felt the need to lie and it cost him a year of footy and potential some brand deals. He is probably better off with a civil case for lost earning rather than going down the prosecution route if he still wanted to take any action.

 

[BRL121]

Due to the suppression order it's probably only real footy nuffies who know about the story, I'm not sure his reputation is that damaged amongst the general public. It's probably best to just move on from it all. It's really sad some one felt the need to lie and it cost him a year of footy and potential some brand deals. He is probably better off with a civil case for lost earning rather than going down the prosecution route if he still wanted to take any action.

A civil case would be his only option, wouldn't it? Surely, it would be up to the police to make perversion of the course of justice charges?

 

[Bovo]

A civil case would be his only option, wouldn't it? Surely, it would be up to the police to make perversion of the course of justice charges?

That sounds right. Police may charge those who lied, but the only way to sue those responsible would be a civil suit

 

[Soggy2112]

Before I say this I’d like to add that Bruhn is innocent until proven guilty and should be free to play and his career should be not hindered any further.

However, it is important to remember that the woman has also not been proven to have made a false accusation. There’s been a lot of people who are jumping to the conclusion that because charges are dropped and because a witness lied, that she made the whole thing up. That may not be the case.

The same innocent until proven guilty that Bruhn is rightly entitled to, this woman is also entitled to against the accusation that she has made false allegations.

We have seen rape charges get not guilty verdicts or have charges dropped, but where a rape has been found to occur in a civil case. I’m not saying that would be the case here, but don’t jump to the conclusion that this was all made up.

 

[Scorpus]

We have seen rape charges get not guilty verdicts or have charges dropped, but where a rape has been found to occur in a civil case. I’m not saying that would be the case here, but don’t jump to the conclusion that this was all made up.

That's an important point, given the standard of proof between criminal and civil cases is different.

If there is some unfavourable evidence for Bruhn he could lose a civil case on the balance of probabilities, and might not take that chance

 

[Mutineer]

Due to the suppression order it's probably only real footy nuffies who know about the story, I'm not sure his reputation is that damaged amongst the general public. It's probably best to just move on from it all. It's really sad some one felt the need to lie and it cost him a year of footy and potential some brand deals. He is probably better off with a civil case for lost earning rather than going down the prosecution route if he still wanted to take any action.

He shouldn't need to VicPol and the prosecution should come down heavily on the 2 lowlife cretins for their attempt to perverting the course of justice

 

[Scorpus]

Port Adelaide will get priority access to Cochrane after his NGA application was approved

 

[Trigger13]

Port Adelaide will get priority access to Cochrane after his NGA application was approved

Will they have to stump up more?

 

[Slim258]

Port Adelaide will get priority access to Cochrane after his NGA application was approved

Can someone explain to me how this works given Centrals are a Crows affiliate?

 

[Mutineer]

Port Adelaide will get priority access to Cochrane after his NGA application was approved

What a joke

 

[Mostyn]

Port Adelaide will get priority access to Cochrane after his NGA application was approved

That's an absolute disgrace.

How an initiative that is there to address historical injustices and imbalances with First Nations engagement in the game is twisted to include someone who has grown up in urban environments and has had every possible advantage to this point, and only discovered their indigenous identity after years in the game - look, it's absolute garbage from my perspective.

Yet another pathetic gutting of equalization and the draft.

 

[Rash]

Can someone explain to me how this works given Centrals are a Crows affiliate?

Because its based on Residential adress, he only plays for centrals due to his father stuart playing there.

He lives in the port area, if not for his father he would be playing for woodville west torrens.

 

[Archie87]

Port have had **** all to do with developing the kid until this year. Getting NGA access is a ****ing pisstake...

 

[daniel_4tw]

You would think having 3 of the top 5 being tied to clubs would have had the AFL pause…

Nope. Double down. Let’s compromise the draft as much as we can.

Honestly the draft is such a joke now probably best we just be done with it.

 

[Boak10]

Port have had **** all to do with developing the kid until this year. Getting NGA access is a ****ing pisstake...

Why are you so upset - embrace the love over the next 15 years mate

 

[Soggy2112]

He shouldn't need to VicPol and the prosecution should come down heavily on the 2 lowlife cretins for their attempt to perverting the course of justice

Innocent until proven guilty is an important part of the justice system. What needs to be remembered is that a not guilty verdict, or charges being dropped, does not mean the person has been proven to be innocent.

My understanding from the reports I’ve read is a key witness lied. There probably should be repercussions for that, but I think it partly depends on the wishes of Bruhn and his mate.

However, it has not been proven that the woman made the accusations up. What we know is there was not enough evidence for a conviction therefore charges were dropped.