Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Donflicted]

You do mean SOS don't you? Yeah... two super-ego guys going at it. The funniest thing was that they are actually friends outside of football.

my bad mate yeah SOS

 

[Dramoth]

There were other VFL lads there too today - Flynn Riley still hanging around, and a blonde fella wearing 39 who looked like Taj Logan from our VFL side to me

The club would be bringing in some of the VFL boys to make up numbers for drills over the next month. I don't think that the VFL boys are back in preseason training just yet.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

There was also mention that VIC clubs have banded together and will bid hard on Northern Academy players as they feel as if the AFL has prioritized making more profit in those states and allowing the VIC teams fall further behind

POTY.(if true)

That's one way of dicking with their stupid academies.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Honestly mate I am only telling you what I heard from a close source and while yes it may just be a personal opinion - it is also a personal opinion from someone who has been at the club, knows the feeling inside the club towards Elijah and would know much more about Elijah's behaviour this year. Which IMO makes it a much more valuable "personal opinion" than the "personal opinion" you have expressed here

The source I spoke to specifically referenced Elijah's behaviour as reason for Will's confidence - but also did mention the likelihood of 2 spots being opened up and the fact that only 4 people were being asked to train over the summer (2 of which were from outside the club) does increase the chances of selection for both Will and Elijah.

Appreciate that you're passing on some info that's fallen on your lap, but for mine it doesn't seem to add up.

If the Blues hierarchy have allowed Elijah to train on, and given him a number of targets to pass in order to secure a list spot, why would they then turn around and say they're not taking him if he ticks the boxes?

They've already taken into account his past indiscretions before making the call to allow him to train on.

It sounds more like Will is living in hope that Elijah's past indiscretions will earn him a spot on the list. I absolutely love the kid - and would honestly have him above a few of the other smalls still on our list - but it just doesn't make sense.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

That's what BigFooty is, no?

If Will White is confident that he'll beat Lij to a rookie spot, that's awesome, good for him. It doesn't mean the decision makers feel the same way.

And as I said, the additional comments re: a second spot being available might actually colour it differently, that he believes the Lij decision won't matter and that he fancies his chances of getting one of two spots.

Again, not having a dip at you at all. Just musing on the news you've provided and filling in what I think are some relevant gaps pertinent to the discussion.

It is what makes people stop using Bigfooty IMO.

I posted a comment from as close a source to Will as you can get, yet with absolute no knowledge you feel the need to "muse" and fill in some gaps that simply don't need to be filled.

"and as I said, the additional comments re: a second spot being available might actually colour it differently" and as I explicitly said - the second spot had nothing to do with Will's thought on the position.

"It doesn't mean the decision makers feel the same way." It doesn't, and that was never claimed and given I explicitly stated I wasn't saying the original poster "was wrong" it should have been obvious to everyone that was the case without your musings. However, given Will is on the inside of the club, I think we should be able to take his views on the topic without musings from someone with absolutely no knowledge pertinent to it attempting to fill "gaps".

 

[marcmurphy3]

Appreciate that you're passing on some info that's fallen on your lap, but for mine it doesn't seem to add up.

If the Blues hierarchy have allowed Elijah to train on, and given him a number of targets to pass in order to secure a list spot, why would they then turn around and say they're not taking him if he ticks the boxes?

They've already taken into account his past indiscretions before making the call to allow him to train on.

It sounds more like Will is living in hope that Elijah's past indiscretions will earn him a spot on the list. I absolutely love the kid - and would honestly have him above a few of the other smalls still on our list - but it just doesn't make sense.

Or Will doesnt think Elijah can clean up his act based on what hes observed.

I agree though. Highly unlikely that if Lij gets the train on spot and ticks all the box's that the club will pick White over him, based on Lij's past indiscretions. The spot would be Lij's to lose effectively, unless White can up his game enormously.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

glad Jsos and Dodoro arent doing there annual dik measuring contest anymore

There was also mention that VIC clubs have banded together and will bid hard on Northern Academy players as they feel as if the AFL has prioritized making more profit in those states and allowing the VIC teams fall further behind

Have been saying this for a while. Time for VIC clubs to start attacking the Brisbane and Gold Coasts lists. Honeymoon is over !

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Appreciate that you're passing on some info that's fallen on your lap, but for mine it doesn't seem to add up.

If the Blues hierarchy have allowed Elijah to train on, and given him a number of targets to pass in order to secure a list spot, why would they then turn around and say they're not taking him if he ticks the boxes?

They've already taken into account his past indiscretions before making the call to allow him to train on.

It sounds more like Will is living in hope that Elijah's past indiscretions will earn him a spot on the list. I absolutely love the kid - and would honestly have him above a few of the other smalls still on our list - but it just doesn't make sense.

Have they given him a number of targets to pass?

Does merely passing targets over a summer guarantee him a spot given his history and competition from other players?

Why ask Will to train on and then turn around and not take him?

" They've already taken into account his past indiscretions before making the call to allow him to train on." That doesn't give him a clean slate - it is a final chance and he is starting behind the eight ball from what Will is saying.

" If the Blues hierarchy have allowed Elijah to train on, and given him a number of targets to pass in order to secure a list spot, why would they then turn around and say they're not taking him if he ticks the boxes?" Perhaps because the hierarchy is still seduced by his talent but the playing group has lost faith/trust.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Or Will doesnt think Elijah can clean up his act based on what hes observed.

I agree though. Highly unlikely that if Lij gets the train on spot and ticks all the box's that the club will pick White over him, based on Lij's past indiscretions. The spot would be Lij's to lose effectively, unless White can up his game enormously.

I would think ticking boxes would be the bare minimum.

 

[Coops93]

I posted a comment from as close a source to Will as you can get, yet with absolute no knowledge you feel the need to "muse" and fill in some gaps that simply don't need to be filled.

You're speaking as though everyone should accept your authority on this. You could well be 100% telling the truth, but to everyone else on the forum you're a username behind an anonymous display picture on the internet.

Not taking things people say on the net as complete truth is kind of rule 1 of the internet stuff, you can't be upset by it.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

You're speaking as though everyone should accept your authority on this. You could well be 100% telling the truth, but to everyone else on the forum you're a username behind an anonymous display picture on the internet.

Not taking things people say on the net as complete truth is kind of rule 1 of the internet stuff, you can't be upset by it.

Happy if you don't believe me (although not sure what people think I would get out of making this up) and I did originally say I wasn't saying the original poster was wrong but unless someone has more than a "musing" (particularly one that directly contradicts my close sources statements) I don't see the point in weighing in.

People on here have mused my source is wrong because -"Will is living in hope" or being guilty of "wishful thinking" or making these statements based on the knowledge HOF will be put on the LTIL - based on absolutely no knowledge - it adds nothing to the conversation other than a kind of self aggrandizement.

 

[My Hat]

Why ask Will to train on and then turn around and not take him?

Every club always asks more people to train on than they have spots available, don't they?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep both Will and Elijah. But the whole purpose of train on spots is to let clubs make further assessments before coming to a final decision.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Every club always asks more people to train on than they have spots available, don't they?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep both Will and Elijah. But the whole purpose of train on spots is to let clubs make further assessments before coming to a final decision.

"Every club always asks more people to train on than they have spots available, don't they?" My point exactly - you can't say that the fact Carlton has asked Elijah to train on is proof they have forgiven his past sins and will take him if he ticks the boxes for exactly the same reason - they are asking more players to train than they have spots.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Happy if you don't believe me (although not sure what people think I would get out of making this up) and I did originally say I wasn't saying the original poster was wrong but unless someone has more than a "musing" (particularly one that directly contradicts my close sources statements) I don't see the point in weighing in.

People on here have mused my source is wrong because -"Will is living in hope" or being guilty of "wishful thinking" or making these statements based on the knowledge HOF will be put on the LTIL - based on absolutely no knowledge - it adds nothing to the conversation other than a kind of self aggrandizement.

I dont think anybody doesnt believe you. I personally appreciate the info.

Comments are just pointing out that Will's view isnt nessecarily a reflection of the clubs view (although it could be).

In either case Im happy Will is backing himself in. Seems like a great kid. You wouldnt want him thinking he is making up the numbers.

I think the general enthusiasm for Elijah vs Will stems from the fact, Lij could really move the needle for us, not anything personal against Will.

 

[Manhattanite]

Saw the herald sun article that we are looking at trading both 9 and 11 and saw some of the discussion above. If we do trade one of 9 or 11 for a future first I think it’s another sign we are making a big play for Butters. That would be our third 2026 1st rounder and we would have two 2027 first rounders and a 2028 first rounder available during trade period 2026. Butters probably costs 3 first rounders and Walker another 2 (but both have to be 2026). So becomes doable.

But honestly having seen the draw and knowing several top teams have improved their lists I really worry if we are good enough to attract Butters.

Also if we finish (god forbid) in the bottom 6, would we want Butters to want to come to us (ie would we want a player who would want a bottom 6 club - would suggest motivated more by money and less by drive to win)

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

I dont think anybody doesnt believe you. I personally appreciate the info.

Comments are just pointing out that Will's view isnt nessecarily a reflection of the clubs view (although it could be).

In either case Im happy Will is backing himself in. Seems like a great kid. You wouldnt want him thinking he is making up the numbers.

I think the general enthusiasm for Elijah vs Will stems from the fact, Lij could really move the needle for us, not anything personal against Will.

I never said it was the clubs view - but it does give some insight into how the players perceive the situation.

"I think the general enthusiasm for Elijah vs Will stems from the fact, Lij could really move the needle for us, not anything personal against Will." Exactly -people here are accusing of Will "living in hope" but in fact those who are disputing my account are doing that themselves - trying to convince themselves that Will is wrong and Elijah is just a few short weeks away from being brought back into the fold and being the player we all think he can where, if Will's much more informed opinion is true, that seems far from the case.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Mental health isn't something you 'get over'. In all likelihood this will be something that Lij manages for the rest of his life. He'll have times where he manages it better and times where he won't be so good with it. It's the nature of what it is.

If that's the way we're viewing it (he's completely over his issues), we're going to end up sorely disappointed.

I wasn’t referring to his mental health (trust me I know all about mental health)

I was referring to his addictions.

 

[Jatz]

I wasn’t referring to his mental health (trust me I know all about mental health)

I was referring to his addictions.

Addiction falls under the same umbrella as mental health.

Likewise, it'll be something he lives with his whole life.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It is what makes people stop using Bigfooty IMO.

I posted a comment from as close a source to Will as you can get, yet with absolute no knowledge you feel the need to "muse" and fill in some gaps that simply don't need to be filled.

"and as I said, the additional comments re: a second spot being available might actually colour it differently" and as I explicitly said - the second spot had nothing to do with Will's thought on the position.

"It doesn't mean the decision makers feel the same way." It doesn't, and that was never claimed and given I explicitly stated I wasn't saying the original poster "was wrong" it should have been obvious to everyone that was the case without your musings. However, given Will is on the inside of the club, I think we should be able to take his views on the topic without musings from someone with absolutely no knowledge pertinent to it attempting to fill "gaps".

Holy shit, are you OK mate?

This is a massive overreaction.

There are many casual readers who would read "White's not worried about Lij taking his spot" and assume that means White is ahead of Lij. I think it's a valid distinction to make, in the interests of the discussion, that it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. It's still good info, it's not chasing anyone away (I'd hope...).

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Holy shit, are you OK mate?

This is a massive overreaction.

There are many casual readers who would read "White's not worried about Lij taking his spot" and assume that means White is ahead of Lij. I think it's a valid distinction to make, in the interests of the discussion, that it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. It's still good info, it's not chasing anyone away (I'd hope...).

Well thank goodness you are here to clarify the situation for all the casual readers

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Addiction falls under the same umbrella as mental health.

Likewise, it'll be something he lives with his whole life.

How many nicotine addicts surround us, but I still wouldn't suggest they have mental health issues.

 

[Soapy V]

Asked around today about Elijah. Couldn’t get anything concrete on him. Just wait and see what happens after draft.

Only comment was so many things could happen yet and nothing is guaranteed. We are looking at many players in draft depending on bids etc

I really believe we aren’t certain on anything yet

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Addiction falls under the same umbrella as mental health.

Likewise, it'll be something he lives with his whole life.

Sorry? I don’t think so

I have an addiction to nicotine and coffee, love a line or a scoob every now and then and have a slight red wine drinking problem.

But I look on the light side of life the vast majority of the time as do a shed load of others with my “addictions”

I’m sick of drug taking being put in the mental health basket, it’s unnecessary and wrong to do that

 

[teddy-hopkins]

If we're trading 1 of the picks for points, I think it means we likely have another trade lined up for the other one for a 2026 F1.

Also, 21 + 27 are not worth more than 9 (or 11).

Don't forget the later picks slide up and the earlier picks slide back.

Trading pick 9 or 11 for 21 and 27 is a net win for points.

I still think that if it gets to their pick and Dean hasn't been nominated there is a possibility Ess trade their pick 6 + 25 + 30 for pick 9 and 11.

In a pretty flat draft for talent at the top it gives them an extra top 15 pick and we get another top player ahead of Dean. That's the best possible outcome for Carlton in my view anyway.

 

[Spinskills]

Herald Sun reporting we may trade picks 9 and 11 to WCE and Adelaide respectively.