List Mgmt. 2025 List Management III 📃

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List Mgmt. - 2025 List Management II 📃

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[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

"If Ison gets past our pick tonight" I wonder, with 24 hours to work with, whether we can come up with a trade that ensures we get ahead of any bids on Ison and gets us the player we would take at 28 without a bid. Surely one of the 2 clubs ahead of us would be happy to get some extra draft capital rather than just screw us over.

The only threat is the WB.

North won’t bid given our trade for Pick 11.

Another poster mentioned they knew for certain the Dogs didn’t rate Ison … so that’s promising.. but they could still bid tactically if it was advantageous to them.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

The only threat is the WB.

North won’t bid given our trade for Pick 11.

Another poster mentioned they knew for certain the Dogs didn’t rate Ison … so that’s promising.. but they could still bid tactically if it was advantageous to them.

Am I right in saying second round bids get a 197 point standard discount (as per google AI)?

If that is the case pick 38 would be enough by itself to get Ison so simply offer North 28 and 44 for 26 and a guarantee we won't take the player they are looking at?

 

[Stamos]

Am I right in saying second round bids get a 197 point standard discount (as per google AI)?

If that is the case pick 38 would be enough by itself to get Ison so simply offer North 28 and 44 for 26 and a guarantee we won't take the player they are looking at?

No, 84 points discount between picks 19 - 36.
No points required from 37 onwards, just match with next pick.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

No, 84 points discount between picks 19 - 36.
No points required from 37 onwards, just match with next pick.

So pick 34 or later we don't need 44 - if the bid comes before then and we don't have 44 the future second round pick we got from North slides back a couple of spots?

 

[Stamos]

So pick 34 or later we don't need 44 - if the bid comes before then and we don't have 44 the future second round pick we got from North slides back a couple of spots?

We've currently got 28, 38 & 44.

If we trade out 28, the other picks can match at 26 with a 33 point deficit off the North F2 pick (so probably 1 spot slide), 5 points at 27 (no movement), or can match any bid after then.
If the bid doesn't come till 37, we just match with our next pick.

 

[ctwenty1]

We've currently got 28, 38 & 44.

If we trade out 28, the other picks can match at 26 with a 33 point deficit off the North F2 pick (so probably 1 spot slide), 5 points at 27 (no movement), or can match any bid after then.
If the bid doesn't come till 37, we just match with our next pick.

will be interesting what we do with 28

I wonder how high we rate the players available compared to an offer of an f2 from another club?

 

[Stamos]

will be interesting what we do with 28

I wonder how high we rate the players available compared to an offer of an f2 from another club?

At least we get to find out early tonight.

Pretty sure they go down to 2 minutes per pick for rounds 2 onwards.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

We've currently got 28, 38 & 44.

If we trade out 28, the other picks can match at 26 with a 33 point deficit off the North F2 pick (so probably 1 spot slide), 5 points at 27 (no movement), or can match any bid after then.
If the bid doesn't come till 37, we just match with our next pick.

Thanks for the info but my point was trading 28 and 44 to get to 26, take someone else at that point and then get Ison with 38 - which worst case scenario would mean a couple of place slide next year by the sounds of things - I would be pushing hard for that.

 

[Stamos]

Thanks for the info but my point was trading 28 and 44 to get to 26, take someone else at that point and then get Ison with 38 - which worst case scenario would mean a couple of place slide next year by the sounds of things - I would be pushing hard for that.

Oh.
Then no, we wouldn't do that.
And I seriously doubt North would take that trade. If they want to trade out, they'll get better offers.

 

[Benaly28]

If Ison gets past our pick tonight and we want another KPD.

Why wouldn’t we just take Thredgold. Talented, ready to go KPD.

Phillips is a less talented Lewis Young!

BTW: I’d rather take Ludowyke, Phillipou, Kickett or NHH.

Roos-Threadgold.

 

[ctwenty1]

Roos-Threadgold.

so who do yoiu think we take?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Oh.
Then no, we wouldn't do that.
And I seriously doubt North would take that trade. If they want to trade out, they'll get better offers.

North may get better offers (although not many that would keep them so close to their current position) but can't see why we wouldn't do it if we plan to take a third player. The gap between a discounted pick at 27 and pick 38 is only about 170 points - if want to take a third player this draft much better to be at 26 than 38 or 44 - if we only want to take 2 then trade 28 for a future second.

 

[Stamos]

North may get better offers (although not many that would keep them so close to their current position) but can't see why we wouldn't do it if we plan to take a third player. The gap between a discounted pick at 27 and pick 38 is only about 170 points - if want to take a third player this draft much better to be at 26 than 38 or 44 - if we only want to take 2 then trade 28 for a future second.

We wouldn't do it because we're risking a bigger deficit next year to take a player that we'd probably get anyway. There's just no (or at most very little) need.

 

[BlueLocke]

If we use 3 draft picks, how many list spots does that leave us with?
(apologies if this has been asked 87 times already)

 

[Stamos]

If we use 3 draft picks, how many list spots does that leave us with?
(apologies if this has been asked 87 times already)

1

 

[Stamos]

1

Including Dean as one of the picks.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

We wouldn't do it because we're risking a bigger deficit next year to take a player that we'd probably get anyway. There's just no (or at most very little) need.

If we want to take 3 players and the Bulldogs bid on Ison at 27 I would say there is more than a little risk that we wouldn't get the same player at 38 that we would at 26.

There is the risk of the higher deficit but given we don't go into deficit after pick 34 and have a 170 point deficit at 27, if the Bulldogs then bid on Ison, how much bigger is the pick slide likely to be? (serious question)

 

[Stamos]

If we want to take 3 players and the Bulldogs bid on Ison at 27 I would say there is more than a little risk that we wouldn't get the same player at 38 that we would at 26.

There is the risk of the higher deficit but given we don't go into deficit after pick 34 and have a 170 point deficit at 27, if the Bulldogs then bid on Ison, how much bigger is the pick slide likely to be? (serious question)

If North's 2nd round pick next year is 25, it would slide to 32.

 

[Bletch]

If we want to take 3 players and the Bulldogs bid on Ison at 27 I would say there is more than a little risk that we wouldn't get the same player at 38 that we would at 26.

There is the risk of the higher deficit but given we don't go into deficit after pick 34 and have a 170 point deficit at 27, if the Bulldogs then bid on Ison, how much bigger is the pick slide likely to be? (serious question)

If we want pick 26, we're more likely to get it via a future pick (or pick swap).

e.g. 26 + F3 for 28 + F2 (Norf's own pick back to them)

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

If we want pick 26, we're more likely to get it via a future pick (or pick swap).

e.g. 26 + F3 for 28 + F2 (Norf's own pick back to them)

More attractive for North but we get left with pick 44 that we don't want

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

If North's 2nd round pick next year is 25, it would slide to 32.

Assuming we want 3 players this year, and assuming the Bulldogs are going to bid on Ison at 27 - I would be happier to slide from 25 to 32 next year than from 28 to 38 this year.

If we do the swap and the Bulldogs don't bid at 27 the 2026 slide become substantially less (assuming North also don't bid at 28 after our deal we would be down to about 120 points deficit at worst)

 

[Bletch]

More attractive for North but we get left with pick 44 that we don't want

Norf will be fielding offers. It will need to be in their favour. 44 will get used on the Ison bid (along with 38).

 

[Bletch]

Norf will be fielding offers. It will need to be in their favour. 44 will get used on the Ison bid (along with 38).

Note, I'm not suggesting we do this. I don't think it's great value trading up to 26.

Would prefer we traded out 28. As another poster suggested, see if Pies will give up their 2026 first for 28 + North's future 2nd. Get 51 back.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Norf will be fielding offers. It will need to be in their favour. 44 will get used on the Ison bid (along with 38).

44 doesn't necessarily have to get used for Ison, if he slides to 34 pick 38 would do it alone, if he goes beofre 34 North's future second rounder just slides back a few spots.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Note, I'm not suggesting we do this. I don't think it's great value trading up to 26.

Would prefer we traded out 28. As another poster suggested, see if Pies will give up their 2026 first for 28 + North's future 2nd. Get 51 back.

That would be good if we don't want to take 3 picks this year, if we want to take 3 this year though?