Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

[Kurve]

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[Zebo]

Important elements of the 60 Minutes content are inconsistent with subsequent evidence in the relevant hearings/trials. It cannot be relied on as literal fact. This may be why the video has not been made available in the past.

 

[theredrooster]

Photos of Pru Firman and Sarah Novak (shared earlier in the thread) are attached for reference. Based on these, it now seems much more likely that the trans girl depicted in the 60 Minutes reenactment was Pru.

 

[Nemisis]

I'm convinced BVE saw members of the police force throw Dr Duncan into the Torrens and that's why he gets special treatment in jail. Mr. R. must also have dirt on someone influential still alive to escape conviction all these years. Some of those involved in the murders/sexual assaults must be either members of law enforcement or influential in society, as has always been rumored. It's the only thing that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why BVE still remains silent when he's got nothing to lose. Is he that narcissistic and delusional as to go to his grave proclaiming his innocence rather than name people he knows to be equally as guilty as himself. I think he is.

I am always amazed at the rehashing of conspiracy theories regarding the so-called Family. So, for 45 years, with hundreds of different detectives and dozens of varying police commissioners, there has been a cover-up to protect 'people in high places'!! It is illogical and nonsensical. "Having dirt on someone"—what, 45 years ago!
Bob O'Brien's book Young Blood is essential reading when it comes to the family murders. He firmly believes von Einem was solely responsible for the killings. Of course, von Einem had sicko friends who liked to drug and rape boys but von Einem took the next step.
As for killers who have deathbed confessions, they are criminals who lack remorse and want to maintain control until their last breath.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading about information from posters, but pllllllease, there is NO cover-up.

 

[northernsoul]

Important elements of the 60 Minutes content are inconsistent with subsequent evidence in the relevant hearings/trials. It cannot be relied on as literal fact. This may be why the video has not been made available in the past.

It’s been on youtube for years

 

[Zebo]

It’s been on youtube for years

I stand corrected (re youtube only).

 

[Anonjym]

As someone mentioned awhile ago that Neil Muir’s page on Crime Stoppers had changed and that he was no longer ‘linked’ as a victim to The Family murders, could it be that Millhouse inflicted similar injuries and/or even the 3 murders after Neil had injuries inflicted upon them by the perpetrators to make the Police think that Muirs death was linked to the other 3? Millhouse had to have done it, it’s just odd there isn’t much of a link between him and the other suspects.

Also found this interesting:

“The body had contained three drugs, mostly sedatives, given to the boy by Mr Von Einem, and one type of drug given by an accomplice.”

“Mr Von Einem had supplied the money to move Richard Kelvin to wherever the boy was kept for five weeks.“

and does anyone know when the suppression on Mr. R’s name began? As the article attached is from 1990.


Is it because it’s not a publication from South Australia?

 

[Kurve]

As someone mentioned awhile ago that Neil Muir’s page on Crime Stoppers had changed and that he was no longer ‘linked’ as a victim to The Family murders, could it be that Millhouse inflicted similar injuries and/or even the 3 murders after Neil had injuries inflicted upon them by the perpetrators to make the Police think that Muirs death was linked to the other 3? Millhouse had to have done it, it’s just odd there isn’t much of a link between him and the other suspects.

Also found this interesting:

Do you have a link for this press item please?

 

[Zebo]

As someone mentioned awhile ago that Neil Muir’s page on Crime Stoppers had changed and that he was no longer ‘linked’ as a victim to The Family murders, could it be that Millhouse inflicted similar injuries and/or even the 3 murders after Neil had injuries inflicted upon them by the perpetrators to make the Police think that Muirs death was linked to the other 3? Millhouse had to have done it, it’s just odd there isn’t much of a link between him and the other suspects.

Also found this interesting:



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and does anyone know when the suppression on Mr. R’s name began? As the article attached is from 1990.

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Is it because it’s not a publication from South Australia?

The first article refers to the sentencing remarks. The comments re what VE thought/did are mostly assumptions, based on the prosecution's arguments, rather than proven facts. So there is no actual evidence VE funded RK's movement, or selected the airstrip, just an assumption that he probably did.

Re the drugs - the police couldn't find any evidence that VE had one of the drugs found in RK's body. So they had to assume that maybe someone else supplied it (logical).

Yes, interstate publications. Suppression orders only applied in SA. However, there is a lot of suppressed material that wasn't in the interstate papers.

Suppression orders are not always as simple as 'don't say the name'. Some include suppression of the circumstances in which the suppression arises, as that may in itself tend to identify the individual. Thus I'll tell you that there may be an earlier suppression but I can't tell you when.

 

[Kurve]

The first article refers to the sentencing remarks. The comments re what VE thought/did are mostly assumptions, based on the prosecution's arguments, rather than proven facts. So there is no actual evidence VE funded RK's movement, or selected the airstrip, just an assumption that he probably did.

Re the drugs - the police couldn't find any evidence that VE had one of the drugs found in RK's body. So they had to assume that maybe someone else supplied it (logical).

Yes, interstate publications. Suppression orders only applied in SA. However, there is a lot of suppressed material that wasn't in the interstate papers.

Suppression orders are not always as simple as 'don't say the name'. Some include suppression of the circumstances in which the suppression arises, as that may in itself tend to identify the individual. Thus I'll tell you that there may be an earlier suppression but I can't tell you when.

It's this that has me bothered Zebo. I'm thinking this is not exactly what the judge said:




Also of the two drugs found in Kelvin's system that could be linked to BVE, that enough of them could have killed him.

 

[Zebo]

It's this that has me bothered Zebo. I'm thinking this is not exactly what the judge said:


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Also of the two drugs found in Kelvin's system that could be linked to BVE, that enough of them could have killed him.

It's not what the judge said. It's a journalist's summary. What specifically is bothering you?

 

[Kurve]

It's not what the judge said. It's a journalist's summary. What specifically is bothering you?

Just looks a bit wobbly for a murder conviction.

 

[BigL1990]

He might've been the one who accused me of being sapol in a pm a few years ago.


I can't remember what exactly set him off, think it had to do with the " radio personality "

A radio personality who notably wasn't the one who recently died.

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He might've been the one who accused me of being sapol in a pm a few years ago.


I can't remember what exactly set him off, think it had to do with the " radio personality "

A radio personality who notably wasn't the one who recently died.

You reached out to him? How'd that go?

 

[NSWCROW]

Y

You reached out to him? How'd that go?

no he PM'd me

I was like " i'm nowhere near ever having been or being a copper, i think u had to be 6,2 min in my day too "

Never heard from him again

 

[BigL1990]

no he PM'd me

I was like " i'm nowhere near ever having been or being a copper, i think u had to be 6,2 min in my day too "

Never heard from him again

Far out! Why'd he pm you? On this forum?

 

[Anonjym]

Do you have a link for this press item please?

As for Crime Stoppers, I was only going off reading what Zebo had wrote below. I checked both of Neil Muirs pages on Webarchive and it hasn’t changed so maybe they never actually referenced it to start with. All 4 other victims have ‘The Family’ referenced on their page.

Anyone else notice that on Crimestoppers, Neil Muir appears to have been 'unlinked' from the other four murders?

but if you meant the article, sure.

Page 10 - The Canberra Times, Saturday, November 10, 1984.

 

[Kind18]

This is all conjecture.

This is a crime that happened more than 40 years ago. None of us were there. If the only thing allowed is provable facts, we might as well close the topic

Roger James said he couldn’t see their faces. But he would have a lot of motivation to say that. He may have felt his life depended on it.

You know Mr R wasn’t there at Number 1 beat just as reliably as I know he was - we’re both guessing.

What’s your theory as to why Mr R appears to have been given a golden handshake?

 

[Kurve]

This is a crime that happened more than 40 years ago. None of us were there. If the only thing allowed is provable facts, we might as well close the topic

Roger James said he couldn’t see their faces. But he would have a lot of motivation to say that. He may have felt his life depended on it.

You know Mr R wasn’t there at Number 1 beat just as reliably as I know he was - we’re both guessing.

What’s your theory as to why Mr R appears to have been given a golden handshake?

Mr. R fully cooperated with the police and was forthcoming making a statement. They had no evidence he was involved.

A big mistake was made IMO on Kelvin's time of death, called by the proven time and again, incompetent Colin Manock.

I think Kelvin died at the house in Paradise of an overdose, before von Einem had to go back to work. He was put in a freezer for a few weeks so von Einem could then carry on as normal, creating alibi.

 

[northernsoul]

This is a crime that happened more than 40 years ago. None of us were there. If the only thing allowed is provable facts, we might as well close the topic

Roger James said he couldn’t see their faces. But he would have a lot of motivation to say that. He may have felt his life depended on it.

You know Mr R wasn’t there at Number 1 beat just as reliably as I know he was - we’re both guessing.

What’s your theory as to why Mr R appears to have been given a golden handshake?

Very simply - there is/was no physical evidence (dna/fibres etc) to connect him to the crimes. I'm all up for theorising about things - but when it leans into conspiracy (which you're suggesting - that there was a police conspiracy to protect murderers) - it becomes silly.

 

[theredrooster]

Police were pretty good at keeping people away from clocker….

Go on… why do you think that is? Why has so little been written or discussed about “Clocker”? He worked closely with Mr. R— possibly in more than just a stop assistant role — and seems to have acted as a kind of go-between, helping bring boys into the circle and taking part in securing their so-called “safe space” apartment. Clocker would likely know a great deal about the entire operation. Why do you think he hasn’t been more openly scrutinized, or why it might seem as though authorities haven’t focused on him?

 

[Big_Birdy]

I am always amazed at the rehashing of conspiracy theories regarding the so-called Family. So, for 45 years, with hundreds of different detectives and dozens of varying police commissioners, there has been a cover-up to protect 'people in high places'!! It is illogical and nonsensical. "Having dirt on someone"—what, 45 years ago!
Bob O'Brien's book Young Blood is essential reading when it comes to the family murders. He firmly believes von Einem was solely responsible for the killings. Of course, von Einem had sicko friends who liked to drug and rape boys but von Einem took the next step.
As for killers who have deathbed confessions, they are criminals who lack remorse and want to maintain control until their last breath.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading about information from posters, but pllllllease, there is NO cover-up.

I have always thought that the whole 'cover up by people in high places' stems from the fact that those in the circle around Von Einem were in respected professions, such as lawyers and doctors. Because these professions can come with high status, then people have assumed those in them always have high status.

A walk past the Adelaide Magistrates court on a Monday would be enough to dissuade anyone that all lawyers are of high status.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I think Kelvin died at the house in Paradise of an overdose, before von Einem had to go back to work. He was put in a freezer for a few weeks so von Einem could then carry on as normal, creating alibi.

While I could picture that happening, the spanner in the works for me is the Diamond phonecalls to the radio station where he mentions seeing Kelvin alive in a caravan. If it was just that comment I'd write Diamond off as a BS artist but the follow up with coming pretty close to describing the final location of Kelvin makes me think there's something real there. It feels, to me, too lucky a guess for it to be BS. I'd much rather hope that the death happened on the night though and it wasn't a dragged out thing though. I need to prepare my celebratory drink for wishing BVE quickly on his way to hell when he dies and to wish all the families impacted some degree of peace.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Go on… why do you think that is? Why has so little been written or discussed about “Clocker”? He worked closely with Mr. R— possibly in more than just a stop assistant role — and seems to have acted as a kind of go-between, helping bring boys into the circle and taking part in securing their so-called “safe space” apartment. Clocker would likely know a great deal about the entire operation. Why do you think he hasn’t been more openly scrutinized, or why it might seem as though authorities haven’t focused on him?

We honestly don't have any idea at all about actual police interactions with Clocker. He may have been helpful for the investigation or he may not have been. Remember it wasn't stories that got BVE in jail, it was physical fibre evidence. The police may have stories up the kazoo that we've never even heard hint of but they may just be lacking that magical final "beyond reasonable doubt" physical evidence.

 

[Zebo]

Mr. R fully cooperated with the police and was forthcoming making a statement. They had no evidence he was involved.

A big mistake was made IMO on Kelvin's time of death, called by the proven time and again, incompetent Colin Manock.

I think Kelvin died at the house in Paradise of an overdose, before von Einem had to go back to work. He was put in a freezer for a few weeks so von Einem could then carry on as normal, creating alibi.

Manock wasn't responsible for Kelvin's post mortem.

 

[Kind18]

I'm all up for theorising about things - but when it leans into conspiracy (which you're suggesting - that there was a police conspiracy to protect murderers) - it becomes silly.

I think “BVE just happened to be driving past when George Duncan was murdered” would have to be an even more unlikely conspiracy than Mr R was there!

BVE was reported to frequent number 1 beat and Veale Gardens. The chances that he just happened to be driving past right at the moment Roger James staggered out of the water? That’s ridiculous. Of course that was his story to police, as homosexuality was still illegal at that time.

Call it a wild conspiracy if you like, but in my most humble of opinions, I think all the suppression deals and the slow investigation into the Family Murders was related to who saw three cops kill Duncan.

This is what Wikipedia says about the Duncan murder:

After James and other witnesses declined to identify the attackers and reportedly feared for their lives, the Premier of South Australia, Don Dunstan, offered government protection to witnesses who came forward.

 

[northernsoul]

What would revoking suppression orders achieve?

currently R is living and working in one of our most prestigious suburbs - surrounded by people who have no idea who or what he is (spoiler: he's a child killer). For a start it would out the bastard so he's known to the community as the scumwad he is.

While I could picture that happening, the spanner in the works for me is the Diamond phonecalls to the radio station where he mentions seeing Kelvin alive in a caravan. If it was just that comment I'd write Diamond off as a BS artist but the follow up with coming pretty close to describing the final location of Kelvin makes me think there's something real there. It feels, to me, too lucky a guess for it to be BS. I'd much rather hope that the death happened on the night though and it wasn't a dragged out thing though. I need to prepare my celebratory drink for wishing BVE quickly on his way to hell when he dies and to wish all the families impacted some degree of peace.

Who is Diamond? Was the caller known?