Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[P Money]

I'm old enough to have been threatened with being whooped by the belt, but I'm young enough to not actually have been whooped by it. I don't have kids, but a lot of modern parenting leaves me scratching my head.

Maybe there's evidence to show that being threatened with (or actually experiencing) physical assault with a weapon as a vulnerable child by your primary caregiver doesn't exactly have positive outcomes? People love to pull out this trope as if previous generations are all wonderful caring respectful people because their fully grown adult parents belted them as children, but just take a little look at the world and I think you'll see that's not the case.

I also think if you did have kids, the idea of pulling out a belt and threatening your little son or daughter with it would make you recoil in disgust at yourself.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well they didn’t spend tens of dollars did they.

I can see why they suppressed his name but I can also see why it caused outraged. You gotta have some balance on something like that. It smacks of elitism and privelege whether it was justified or not it certainly wouldn’t have been afforded to most given the whole need for transparency in process.

Have you actually read Munich posts? They may already have a family and if they chose to then they’d be raising kids to understand consent and autonomy and consequence. Sounds like a pretty great parental base to me.

Yeah but the law is going to punish Tom , he doesn't need to be vilified by his family as well, and people here seem to expect that should be the case.
Darryl Kerrigan didn't advocate holding up service stations.

 

[Jibroni]

Yeah but the law is going to punish Tom , he doesn't need to be vilified by his family as well, and people here seem to expect that should be the case.
Darryl Kerrigan didn't advocate holding up service stations.

I agree with your point but if Silvagni took the remorseful approach from the beginning and what he needs to do to rehabilitate himself, I imagine "some" forgiveness would have been passed on to him. Particularly now that he has to deal with life in prison.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

His defence seems to be it wasn't me.

That his friend didn't leave when he said. (Hence the doctored Uber receipt)

That his friend was the one who went back in the room after his Uber was cancelled (which it wasn't).

And she's making up lies about whatever happened in there & is wrong about it being Tom & not Tom's friend.

He gaslighted everyone. The complainant. His (ex) friend. His gf.

The defence did try to say she was confused & couldn't remember things properly. I'm guessing they were hoping the jury would decide there was reasonable doubt & maybe Tom's friend had returned to the room. And they're both just confused/couldn't remember.

And I'm assuming he never expected it to go as far as court...where his lies & the cover up only further proved his guilt.

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

 

[phantom13]

Yeah but the law is going to punish Tom , he doesn't need to be vilified by his family as well, and people here seem to expect that should be the case.
Darryl Kerrigan didn't advocate holding up service stations.

He also didn’t try to claim his son was innocent. There’s a balance between both things, Jo and Steve aren’t landing that at all.

I might be able to understand their behaviour as being emotional and irrational but you seem to be condoning it which isn’t being a good parent or person.

 

[BillyElliott]

No. You are confusing this with a civil matter.

That's why I said I didn't know if they'd have to pay the victim's costs too.

 

[BillyElliott]

So what was Silvagni's defence in court then?

Did he claim that the Gooch was lying?

Or that the rape never happened? That she made the whole thing up? Or that she must have dreamt the whole thing?

His defence was he never went in the room. Except to tell the victim that Tom's friend would be returning.

If anything happened in there, it must have been his friend.

Everyone's confused, except Tom.

And yes, Tom's lawyers suggested it was Tom's friend.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Maybe there's evidence to show that being threatened with (or actually experiencing) physical assault with a weapon as a vulnerable child by your primary caregiver doesn't exactly have positive outcomes? People love to pull out this trope as if previous generations are all wonderful caring respectful people because their fully grown adult parents belted them as children, but just take a little look at the world and I think you'll see that's not the case.

I also think if you did have kids, the idea of pulling out a belt and threatening your little son or daughter with it would make you recoil in disgust at yourself.

I don't recall my parents ever using the strap, but it was still a thing in schools.
A lot of the kids preferred the strap ( a quick sting , gone in 5 minutes ) to getting detention.
They used to do it in front of the class , so i guess part of it was the public shame of having broken the rules and being punished, which is something people seem to think is lacking in the case of Silvagni.

 

[Whats a Battle]

Maybe there's evidence to show that being threatened with (or actually experiencing) physical assault with a weapon as a vulnerable child by your primary caregiver doesn't exactly have positive outcomes? People love to pull out this trope as if previous generations are all wonderful caring respectful people because their fully grown adult parents belted them as children, but just take a little look at the world and I think you'll see that's not the case.

I also think if you did have kids, the idea of pulling out a belt and threatening your little son or daughter with it would make you recoil in disgust at yourself.

I would never do that to my own kids whenever they arrive, and I'm not excusing/justifying my dad's behaviour in that respect. My parents were strict even for the time (90s/00s) but I give my dad some grace because he grew up in a broken and abusive household. We all make mistakes after all, and honestly given his upbringing he could have been a lot worse to myself and my younger siblings.

My point was that the modern parenting norms of "my little angel can do absolutely no wrong and anyone who says otherwise is making it up" is so removed from what I experienced and I'm not that old yet. It's actually really stunning how quickly it all changed. There surely must be a middle ground between physical punishment and no discipline at all.

The main thing I would do differently to my parents is ease up on the academic pressure. That only leads to negative outcomes.

 

[blueboy25]

They spent millions ?
Are you sure.

IMO the suppression was justified.
With feral AFL supporters speculating their brains out. ( evidence...this thread ), two years of the bullshit prior to the court case would have made it hard to find an untainted jury.

The media knew who it was. If i knew who it was, they knew....it was just suppressed.

There are some law firm partners earning millions per year. I doubt that SOS had exclusivity to them though.

They did sell their house in the middle of last year so I take some of the proceeds were to be used for lawyers fees.

Or maybe they realised that they don't need all those bedrooms for the next 3-6 years.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

His defence was he never went in the room. Except to tell the victim that Tom's friend would be returning.

If anything happened in there, it must have been his friend.

Everyone's confused, except Tom.

And yes, Tom's lawyers suggested it was Tom's friend.

If Tom’s story is true (and I don’t believe it is) why would his friends set him up like this? They would have to hate him and want to get back at him for something. I do wonder what sort of entertainment they availed themselves of prior to the ensuing events.

 

[thumbs_up]

His defence was he never went in the room. Except to tell the victim that Tom's friend would be returning.

If anything happened in there, it must have been his friend.

Everyone's confused, except Tom.

And yes, Tom's lawyers suggested it was Tom's friend.

The old Erin Patterson defence: everyone is mistaken but me.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

My nephew was in the same year at school as Ben Silvagni. Apparently he was a c0ckhead of the highest order. Used to prance around with the "don't you know who I am" attitude.

yeah but he shagged em ratajkowski apparently. if true, there is no god.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They did sell their house in the middle of last year so I take some of the proceeds were to be used for lawyers fees.

Or maybe they realised that they don't need all those bedrooms for the next 3-6 years.

Yeah it wouldn't have been cheap, i was just questioning millions for the suppression order.
Apparently there were more than 500 suppression orders in Victoria this year, more than any other state.
I read a thing where they are trying to tighten up the system to prevent it.
Seems a bit like Lawyers in Victoria are a bit..." And do you want suppression with that ".?

 

[H00t]

I would never do that to my own kids whenever they arrive, and I'm not excusing/justifying my dad's behaviour in that respect. My parents were strict even for the time (90s/00s) but I give my dad some grace because he grew up in a broken and abusive household. We all make mistakes after all, and honestly given his upbringing he could have been a lot worse to myself and my younger siblings.

My point was that the modern parenting norms of "my little angel can do absolutely no wrong and anyone who says otherwise is making it up" is so removed from what I experienced and I'm not that old yet. It's actually really stunning how quickly it all changed. There surely must be a middle ground between physical punishment and no discipline at all.

The main thing I would do differently to my parents is ease up on the academic pressure. That only leads to negative outcomes.

The “my little angel can do no wrong” has been a thing for a very long time. Having kids doesn’t automatically make someone a good parent.

There’s a wide range of parenting styles. Most discipline has moved away from physical to removal of toys, gadgets, internet etc. There’s still discipline just in a different form.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would never do that to my own kids whenever they arrive, and I'm not excusing/justifying my dad's behaviour in that respect. My parents were strict even for the time (90s/00s) but I give my dad some grace because he grew up in a broken and abusive household. We all make mistakes after all, and honestly given his upbringing he could have been a lot worse to myself and my younger siblings.

My point was that the modern parenting norms of "my little angel can do absolutely no wrong and anyone who says otherwise is making it up" is so removed from what I experienced and I'm not that old yet. It's actually really stunning how quickly it all changed. There surely must be a middle ground between physical punishment and no discipline at all.

The main thing I would do differently to my parents is ease up on the academic pressure. That only leads to negative outcomes.

Big trouble with physical punishment , when kids play up, there can be anger involved. Teacher slaps a kid on the hand with a cane. ( I've never seen a caning punishment btw ). Kid laughs at him. How does teacher react? Anger? Cane harder? Cane across the face ? Can get nasty pretty quickly.

 

[BillyElliott]

Yeah it wouldn't have been cheap, i was just questioning millions for the suppression order.
Apparently there were more than 500 suppression orders in Victoria this year, more than any other state.
I read a thing where they are trying to tighten up the system to prevent it.
Seems a bit like Lawyers in Victoria are a bit..." And do you want suppression with that ".?

Their costs would include the separate legal team they had for the criminal case AND the separate legal team for the suppression order AND all the subsequent challenges of the suppression order over the past 18 months AND the cost of a Kings Counsel to lead those separate legal teams.

And the costs of all the psychiatry reports/assessments to support their ongoing suppression order.

 

[Black Panther]

Welcome to Victoria

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A second high-profile Victorian man is preparing to front court after being charged with rape amid claims he attacked a woman in his home but a gag order again means we can’t tell you who he is.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/second-highprofile-victorian-man-has-identity-suppressed-after-being-charged-with-rape/news-story/46e3422c51abc3b82af73c00a7b22a20

 

[Atomboy]

Yep, huge flow on effects.

Expect CW will film new ads without Jo

The scrutiny on SOS and Jack could be distracting for saints

What scrutiny is on Jack, is he implicated in the rape as well ?.

 

[chrismew]

I believe Stephen was in real estate.

Stephen was a property valuer by trade, used to value hotels and shopping centres, and was a partner in a property valuation firm before going into list management.

Him and Ross Lyon are currently partners in the Napier Hotel and Lord Newry Hotel in Fitzroy. Heard a rumour (unconfirmed) that he is a part owner in several more hotels around Melbourne.

Might have to sell a hotel to fund Tom's appeal.

 

[blueboy25]

What scrutiny is on Jack, is he implicated in the rape as well ?.

Not so much scrutiny on Jack but he is already under enough pressure moving to a new club on reasonable money, also happens to be the same club where his dad works and now his brother is off to the big house.

Plus you can guarantee there are enough peanuts in all club's fanbases that he is going to cop some stuff over the fence about Tom.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

What scrutiny is on Jack, is he implicated in the rape as well ?.

Getting real sick of the two brothers, even the parents (I know they haven’t helped themselves) getting linked in with this whole thing.

Im pretty thick skinned, but as someone with a few idiot direct relatives, it genuinely flattens me when someone ties me to their bullshit upon learning I’m related to them.

Cannot imagine how Jack would be feeling about playing and the potential of getting boo’d and abused for such a thing.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Stephen was a property valuer by trade, used to value hotels and shopping centres, and was a partner in a property valuation firm before going into list management.

Him and Ross Lyon are currently partners in the Napier Hotel and Lord Newry Hotel in Fitzroy. Heard a rumour (unconfirmed) that he is a part owner in several more hotels around Melbourne.

Might have to sell a hotel to fund Tom's appeal.

Napier just sold didn’t it?

 

[Andyy]

Just tuning into this now.

There are false accusations against men with status, money etc. Sometimes just for power/control vs men.

Then there is this genuinely dark stuff. Makes my skin crawl and my stomach feel like a pit.

6 years is too short and prison alone isn't enough.

 

[Andyy]

Jack will unfairly get booed next season I reckon, just for carrying the Silvagni name.

If Collingwood supporters were the first to boo Horne Francis for absolutely no reason in round 2 2023 (it's not a myth I was at the game), you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be giving it to Jack in Opening round.
Not a criticism at Collingwood overall, just the few pickles who started the booing in that game which became the norm that season.

No, he won't. He hasn't done anything that a football crowd would express ill feeling for.

JHF was booed for being soft and leaving his team 1 year after being drafted, taking shots at them on the way out etc. Petulant.