Shooting at a Jewish event in Bondi

[_Mike_]

MOD NOTE: leave the hateful comments out of the thread, this is not the place for it

 

[Sqotty from office works]

It did, it was a great success.

So problem solved then Josh.

 

[faible]

So problem solved then Josh.

‘The solution isn’t perfect so do nothing’ vibes

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Yep, open fire in an open area that still has random civilians moving around unpredictably, while using a wespon which is inaccurate over anything other than a short distance, in a highly emotional environmemt with adrenalin pumping through their bodies.

Yet Detective Senior Constable Barraza pinged the older man from 40 metres with his sidearm. One of the heroes.

 

[Jazny]

Yep, open fire in an open area that still has random civilians moving around unpredictably, while using a wespon which is inaccurate over anything other than a short distance, in a highly emotional environmemt with adrenalin pumping through their bodies.

Yes, that's exactly how they were taken down, it's also police protocol. Why do people keep saying this as though it's ridiculous?

Imagine thinking the relatively smaller risk of bystanders being harmed is not worth it when the active shooters are taking clear shots at people. You think the random detective will lose his job for engaging with the terrorists?

 

[demondavey]

Because a shotgun pushes out a lot of pellets the damage they can do can be far more horrific than a single rifle projectile if they are set up for max damage.

Especially up closer.

Shotguns make up around 30%ish of all guns in Australia.

Popular with duck/quail/pheasant shooters.

No I know that. It sprays the shot. It’s just all kinds of screwed up.

 

[demondavey]

Your personal attack on Josh Frydenberg as a grub says a lot about you and why it is not possible to have a constructive debate with you.

Your offensive language, your disgraceful assertions of political opportunism and your assertions of crocodile tears from Josh in a previous post show you up. Just another one who uses insults to cover your hollow excuses for arguments and debate. The grub is not the widely respected Josh Frydenberg.

Josh spoke not only to his community on that one - he spoke for the Australian community made up of many different kinds of people who have watched their country turn into a safe haven for extremism and the normalisation of attitudes and actions seen in countries that lack open and democratic institutions and are rife with tribalism in terms of societal divisions backed up by armed militias and propaganda against Jewish people as just part of the daily life.

I have never in my life witnessed so much blatant insertion of those attitudes into so called peaceful and democratic demonstrations and into insitutions of higher education. Not once did the Albanese Government do anything practical to deal with this hate speech and the violence it always implies that will be done given the opportunity.

All the empty rhetoric by flunkies and apologists now about Unity and how the political opposition should basically shut up about all the steps that led to this nightmare and now play ball with the Albo Cabinet team to make them feel better about what they chose NOT to do cannot take the spotlight away from this Govt`s wilful ignorance.

The Liberal/National Opposition repeatedly called upon this embarrassment of a Govt to treat the growing hatred in both speech and actions as an emergency requiring legislative powers. That did not happen.

Instead the PM gave media conferences saying how terrible all this was, wearing his hangdog look, and kept turning the subject onto Nazi salutes and the far right parading around.

When it was discovered that the Iranian Govt had sponsored some of the terrorism here, Albanese and Co seized upon it like a life raft - `See! It`s coming from the Iranian Government! End of story.` No need for serious discussion and legislative changes.

A normal Australian Govt reaction would have been then to link that with all the Anti Semitism going on in Australian cities whether it was graffiti or insults/threats, physical harm to people who were identifiably Jewish, celebrations of the Hamas massacres, people feeling comfortable enough to proclaim how this was somehow worth celebrating and praising, feeling comfortable to talk about martyrs who would continue doing this until the destruction of Israel and Zionists (the latter category including every Jewish person who doesn`t agree with the violent extremists of the Palestinian side), people parading around in public with clothing saying Kill Zionists/Bash Zionists, university students howling down anybody with a different opinion who thought that hatred should not be enabled, etc.

Did the Albanese Govt do this? No. Did it say it would work with the Opposition to ensure legislation would be put to Parliament and enacted to deal with this emergency and growing terrorist-enabling environment in our country? No.

Did the PM proclaim enough was enough and the Gaza-Irael conflict would cease to be the excuse for the rampant Anti Semitism becoming part of daily life in Australia. No.

Did the Albanese Govt call a meeting of the State Premiers to work out unifying legislation that would at least begin to address the surge in anti Jewish hatred and the aid and comfort given to those who promoted it and participated in it?

The Opposition was met with denial, shrugs, even laughter in Parliament from these jokes of Ministers especially the ones who care more about being voted in at the next election than presiding over an orderly, safe, western liberal democratic society where the norms of Jewish people/Israel hating in other countries should have zero tolerance.

A withering editorial in The Adelaide Advertiser pointed out that some of the Federal Cabinet seemed to be re-living their student activist days in their refusal to deal with the obvious. I`d still like to be able to hear the audio of those pro-Palestine demos Albo was running around and talking at.

I remember them and many of those participants were Australians who sounded unhinged in their accusations that it was a Palestinian Holocaust, not to mention just plain stupid and too lazy to research what it is that makes the genocide of Jewish people a Holocaust.

Albanese, Burke and Marles need to grow up and move beyond those student days and face the reality that an ideological approach that ignores a conflicting reality staring them in the face is incredibly dangerous as well as deluded.

They also need to think beyond demographics in their seats and develop some integrity instead of the self-righteous statements that have been undermined by their own actions and lack of ethical actions.

Josh Frydenberg is not widely respected. That’s just wrong. Opinion at best by pro liberal supporters.

Australia is not a safe haven for extremism. Let’s not get carried away and emotive. Since 2001 there’s been nothing but disdain for our Islamic community. The kind of hate and vitriol they’re experienced, the racism and hate has been extensive. Look no further than one of our own murdering innocent Muslims in a mosque just over the Tasman. I certainly hope you had plenty to say about that.

Again, blaming higher education. It’s called DEMOCRACY. It’s called promoting holistic democratic rhetoric as opposed to isolation. What do you want universities and educators to do? Run lectures on Islamic violence and why it’s an ideology not compatible with western democratic principles? Whilst ignoring the obvious criminality of Israel against Gaza? Give it a rest. You’re just another anti left anti higher education Peddler. It’s to transparent.

Governments wilful ignorance? Show me another government in the last decade that has genuinely attempted to stamp out Islamic extremism? You’re going to tell me that aside from some choice words from LNP politicians they actually passed any legislation or pushed as hard as they could to condemn radical Imams peddling antisemitic agendas? Give me an absolute spell. The double standards from you are totally gross.

So Albanese calls out external influences permeating into our social structure and is supposed to take responsibility for that coming from local sources? Are you that naive to not understand that Australia is an echo chamber of larger states where rhetoric of all types filters down here? The price of globalisation, democracy and free speech.

Talk about wanting to be voted into the next election; what was Josh Frydenberg doing if not feathering his nest for 2028? You think self preservation extends only to gluttonous Labor party members? Please, come down of that high horse. You’re beyond embarrassment now.

A ‘withering editorial’ why is there an objection to talking about a pro Palestine situation? Is Palestine not a state? Is it not worthy of representation or acceptance because you’re willing to label it a terrorist state due to gross generalisations? You’re now bordering on racism. You’re not original. You’re not novel.

Understand what a holocaust means. Nobody, not AA or Marles, has ever refused an opportunity to condemn the Jewish Holocaust during WW2. The agenda of Israel is to bury Palestine. Netenyahu has repeatedly ignored attempts to cease hostilities towards Gaza. There’s been around 70,000 Palestinians killed since 7/10/23. Holocaust this Holocaust that. It’s mass killing.

Whoever you are, you smack of double standards, hypocrisy, false outrage and generalised statements that lack context and credibility. Your comments are one sided, anti left and and you’ve got a short memory and minimal political nous. In words, you’re out of your depth.

 

[demondavey]

Are you a bot the_navyblue ?

Can you give us a human reply?

 

[Proeagle]

Are you a bot the_navyblue ?

Can you give us a human reply?

Chatgpt or grok

 

[Royces Hart]

Chatgpt or grok

ChatLNP

 

[the_navyblue]

You guys are wasting your time. It's got all the telltale signs of a Hasbara bot and is pretty clearly running everything through some sort of AI to spit out its responses.

Yes, no attempt to debate for real this issue in its whole context would be complete without the unhinged screeches of the `It`s a Hasbara bot!` crew.

Thanks for proving yet again that people like you are the most intolerant, irrational and frankly stupid ones running around trying to stifle any criticism of opinions that don`t belong in your world. The paranoid accusations of bots, AI, Chat blah blah simply show up your incapacity to read and engage in grown up conversations online where nuance is required and at least a bit of ability to have a real discussion.

Though I do feel sorry for people like you who operate in a paranoid echo chamber.

 

[Jameggins]

Yes, no attempt to debate for real this issue in its whole context would be complete without the unhinged screeches of the `It`s a Hasbara bot!` crew.

Thanks for proving yet again that people like you are the most intolerant, irrational and frankly stupid ones running around trying to stifle any criticism of opinions that don`t belong in your world. The paranoid accusations of bots, AI, Chat blah blah simply show up your incapacity to read and engage in grown up conversations online where nuance is required and at least a bit of ability to have a real discussion.

Though I do feel sorry for people like you who operate in a paranoid echo chamber.

You talking about people trying to stifle any criticism is hilarious when you yourself have been claiming any post critical of Israel and the genocide they are committing is anti-Semitic. Nobody is buying your Hasbara trash.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

So problem solved then Josh.

It was nearly 30 ueats ago, nothing wrong with revisiting it and tweaking it where needed.

Life doesn't stay stationary.

 

[Bostonian]

You talking about people trying to stifle any criticism is hilarious when you yourself have been claiming any post critical of Israel and the genocide they are committing is anti-Semitic. Nobody is buying your Hasbara trash.

Well when all these protestors are only making noise about this one conflict when other ongoing genocides have been occurring before the Palestinian one it sure as hell looks like it's only because this one involves the Jews.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Well when all these protestors are only making noise about this one conflict when other ongoing genocides have been occurring before the Palestinian one it sure as hell looks like it's only because this one involves the Jews.

Which other conflicts started before 1948 and are still ongoing?

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Yes, that's exactly how they were taken down, it's also police protocol. Why do people keep saying this as though it's ridiculous?

Imagine thinking the relatively smaller risk of bystanders being harmed is not worth it when the active shooters are taking clear shots at people. You think the random detective will lose his job for engaging with the terrorists?

No, I don't think the detective will lose his job, but as a society this is where we've got to, paralysed with indecision.

We only have to go back to the Lindt cafe seige.

Thankfully we still have people with the wherewithal to sum up a situation and act accordingly and decisively,

If it was left to command and politicians the perps would have been shooting until they ran out of ammo.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Yet Detective Senior Constable Barraza pinged the older man from 40 metres with his sidearm. One of the heroes.

Thank **** it wasn't in Victoria. They would have been more concerned with any shots fired that didn't hit the perp directly.

That's great shooting from that distance.

 

[Bostonian]

Which other conflicts started in 1948 and are still ongoing?

You think it started in 1948? That's funny.

Go back to history class.

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jameggins]

Well when all these protestors are only making noise about this one conflict when other ongoing genocides have been occurring before the Palestinian one it sure as hell looks like it's only because this one involves the Jews.

Have you been living under a rock? Plenty of people are talking about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

And the reason this one is more known and talked about, is because Western govts are publicly supporting and enabling it. I'm not sure any other perpetrators of genocide are paying people to defend it on the internet either. When they are out there spreading their propaganda everywhere, it gets people talking.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You think it started in 1948? That's funny.

Go back to history class.

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You claimed other ongoing conflicts started before this.

Name them.

 

[Bostonian]

You claimed other ongoing conflicts started before this.

Name them.

"Several ethnic and ethnoreligious groups in the Middle East have faced persecution for centuries. The most prominent among these are the Jews, the Yazidis, the Armenians, the Assyrians, and the Kurds."

No protests for any of them of course.

• Yazidis: As an endogamous ethnoreligious minority indigenous to Kurdistan, Yazidis have been persecuted by surrounding Muslim groups and state entities since the medieval ages, often wrongly labeled as "devil-worshippers". They faced numerous massacres and state-sanctioned violence throughout the Ottoman period, with the community speaking of 74 genocides ("Farmans") in their history. The persecution has continued into modern times, notably the 2014 genocide by the Islamic State (ISIS) in Iraq.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

"Several ethnic and ethnoreligious groups in the Middle East have faced persecution for centuries. The most prominent among these are the Jews, the Yazidis, the Armenians, the Assyrians, and the Kurds."

No protests for any of them of course.

• Yazidis: As an endogamous ethnoreligious minority indigenous to Kurdistan, Yazidis have been persecuted by surrounding Muslim groups and state entities since the medieval ages, often wrongly labeled as "devil-worshippers". They faced numerous massacres and state-sanctioned violence throughout the Ottoman period, with the community speaking of 74 genocides ("Farmans") in their history. The persecution has continued into modern times, notably the 2014 genocide by the Islamic State (ISIS) in Iraq.

Is the Australian government providing material support for any of these other conflicts?

 

[Jameggins]

"Several ethnic and ethnoreligious groups in the Middle East have faced persecution for centuries. The most prominent among these are the Jews, the Yazidis, the Armenians, the Assyrians, and the Kurds."

No protests for any of them of course.

• Yazidis: As an endogamous ethnoreligious minority indigenous to Kurdistan, Yazidis have been persecuted by surrounding Muslim groups and state entities since the medieval ages, often wrongly labeled as "devil-worshippers". They faced numerous massacres and state-sanctioned violence throughout the Ottoman period, with the community speaking of 74 genocides ("Farmans") in their history. The persecution has continued into modern times, notably the 2014 genocide by the Islamic State (ISIS) in Iraq.

Australia's Kurdish community protests in Melbourne

Australia's Kurdish community on Saturday protested in Melbourne against Turkish aggression in northern Syria, known as Rojava, days after the US pulled back troops.

www.smh.com.au

https://medyanews.net/sydneys-kurdish-community-protests-against-turkish-invasion-into-iraqi-kurdistan/

The pain of hearing: Australia’s parliament recognises Yazidi genocide

A motion in parliament last week gave a crucial voice to a community’s suffering.

www.lowyinstitute.org

 

[the_navyblue]

You talking about people trying to stifle any criticism is hilarious when you yourself have been claiming any post critical of Israel and the genocide they are committing is anti-Semitic. Nobody is buying your Hasbara trash.

Now this is the problem right here and you do have some company on here who like to do the same except they screech less and write more. You feel threatened enough by longer posts that explain why the poster thinks like they do citing context etc and so you get hysterical and start asserting things that are not in the post.

I`m sorry if it is difficult for you to accept that many people don`t need to use AI, Chat GPT etc because they have actual literacy skills and knowledge. Perhaps if you focus on trying to develop your reading/literacy skills and knowledge you might be able to actually have a genuine discussion and debate. Nobody should hold their breath on that happening, however.

Even though you clearly have struggles with reading and critical thinking, your assertion `You yourself have been claiming any post critical of Israel and the genocide they are committing is anti-Semitic`is plain old nonsense.

I know you find it challenging to read more than soundbites and bog standard name calling and one or two paragraphs but that does not excuse your online yelling at somebody who thinks differently than you and has made posts explaining their point of view before you rushed in. Nobody is buying your Hasbara trash - again you have a problem with reality because I have upvotes for my opinions which come from my experiences as an Australian.

I am not Jewish as I have said, not associated with any Jewish/Israeli organisations but the fact you have to use such expressions tells me that indeed you do have a problem and you are simply reinforcing what I and many more Australians than you think and know. You`re not worth continuing a conversation with.

 

[Bostonian]

Is the Australian government providing material support for any of these other conflicts?

Irrelevant.

The chants are to "Free Palestine".

Not "Free the Assyrians"

• Assyrians: Like Armenians, the Assyrians (an indigenous Christian minority) suffered massacres and persecution during and after World War I in Anatolia. In more recent history, their communities in Iraq have faced ongoing ethnic cleansing and violence, particularly since the 2003 invasion and the rise of extremist groups like ISIS.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Irrelevant.

The chants are to "Free Palestine".

Not "Free the Assyrians"

• Assyrians: Like Armenians, the Assyrians (an indigenous Christian minority) suffered massacres and persecution during and after World War I in Anatolia. In more recent history, their communities in Iraq have faced ongoing ethnic cleansing and violence, particularly since the 2003 invasion and the rise of extremist groups like ISIS.

It's directly relevant to Australians where their government is providing material support.

To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.