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Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 6

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Renewables will drive prices down, yeah remember that fantasy that the usual suspects pushed at those dumb enough to believe it.

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Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.
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Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.

Australia is conducting a dangerous experiment, replacing reliable, dispatchable power with intermittent renewables in the name of net zero.

After two decades of forcing low-density wind and solar into the system, electricity is neither cheap nor secure. The Australian Energy Market Commission has abandoned its promise that renewables would drive prices down. It now expects real prices to rise 13 per cent this decade – and that is probably optimistic.
 
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Mutineer said:
Renewables will drive prices down, yeah remember that fantasy that the usual suspects pushed at those dumb enough to believe it.

www.afr.com

Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.
www.afr.com www.afr.com


Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.

Australia is conducting a dangerous experiment, replacing reliable, dispatchable power with intermittent renewables in the name of net zero.

After two decades of forcing low-density wind and solar into the system, electricity is neither cheap nor secure. The Australian Energy Market Commission has abandoned its promise that renewables would drive prices down. It now expects real prices to rise 13 per cent this decade – and that is probably optimistic.
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Coal stations are not exactly that reliable & we used to have more power load shedding before renewables became available.
www.reliabilitywatch.org.au

Reliability Watch

Reliability Watch monitors breakdowns at fossil fuel powered stations across the National Electricity Market in Australia.
www.reliabilitywatch.org.au www.reliabilitywatch.org.au

Personally not convinced by green hydrogen, but there are some interesting facts in this article.

Is clean energy good for Australia? - Energy Fact Check

Verdict: Yes! Clean energy delivers clear benefits for Australia's economy, energy security, environment, and global competitiveness. Analysis: In recent debates about Australia's energy future, many claims have been made about clean energy and its impact on our country. Across multiple areas -...
energyfactcheck.com.au energyfactcheck.com.au
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Coal stations are not exactly that reliable & we used to have more power load shedding before renewables became available.
www.reliabilitywatch.org.au

Reliability Watch

Reliability Watch monitors breakdowns at fossil fuel powered stations across the National Electricity Market in Australia.
www.reliabilitywatch.org.au www.reliabilitywatch.org.au

Personally not convinced by green hydrogen, but there are some interesting facts in this article.

Is clean energy good for Australia? - Energy Fact Check

Verdict: Yes! Clean energy delivers clear benefits for Australia's economy, energy security, environment, and global competitiveness. Analysis: In recent debates about Australia's energy future, many claims have been made about clean energy and its impact on our country. Across multiple areas -...
energyfactcheck.com.au energyfactcheck.com.au
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Yeah because maintenance hasn't been a priority on coal powered stations with GFovernment forcing electricity suppliers to go "green", and you know it while following the "green" dream the last two decades. Like everything there have also been many advances in the coal technology specifically to burn much cleaner but Australia has locked itself out of these advances on the pipe dream renewables would bring electricity prices down...if you believe Australian power prices will come down I've gor a bridge to sell you real cheap.
 

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Mutineer said:
Yeah because maintenance hasn't been a priority on coal powered stations with GFovernment forcing electricity suppliers to go "green", and you know it while following the "green" dream the last two decades. Like everything there have also been many advances in the coal technology specifically to burn much cleaner but Australia has locked itself out of these advances on the pipe dream renewables would bring electricity prices down...if you believe Australian power prices will come down I've gor a bridge to sell you real cheap.
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It's not because of a lack of maintenance. It's because they're old, and reaching the end of their design life. You keep repeating this lie, but nobody is dumb enough to believe it.

As for power prices. You're probably correct that they won't come down. However, they would be going up by a hell of a lot more without renewables.
 
Mutineer said:
Renewables will drive prices down, yeah remember that fantasy that the usual suspects pushed at those dumb enough to believe it.

www.afr.com

Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.
www.afr.com www.afr.com


Fix the electricity system in 2026 by returning to first principles

Electricity is not a policy construct. It is physics – and the physics have not changed since Michael Faraday and the steam engine.

Australia is conducting a dangerous experiment, replacing reliable, dispatchable power with intermittent renewables in the name of net zero.

After two decades of forcing low-density wind and solar into the system, electricity is neither cheap nor secure. The Australian Energy Market Commission has abandoned its promise that renewables would drive prices down. It now expects real prices to rise 13 per cent this decade – and that is probably optimistic.
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From the Australian Energy Market Commission report.

Faster renewable buildout and electrification key to affordable energy transition​

04 December 2025

Accelerating the buildout of renewable generation, transmission, and battery storage is essential to keep residential electricity prices affordable over the next decade, according to the Australian Energy Market Commission

The independent report, aligned with AEMO's Integrated System Plan projections, projects residential electricity per unit prices (not bills), will fall by around 5 per cent over the next five years, supported by new renewable generation growth.

However, those prices risk rising by 13 per cent from 2030–2035, unless new renewable generation, battery and transmission projects are delivered faster than currently projected.

AEMC Chair Anna Collyer said increasing momentum in renewable deployment and batteries now and through to 2030’s will be crucial to keeping prices affordable.

“Our price outlook highlights a critical five-year window: residential electricity prices are projected to fall through 2030 as renewable generation and batteries ramp up, but then rise through 2035 if the pace of new investment doesn't keep ahead of growing electricity demand and planned coal retirement.

"Our analysis clearly shows renewable energy and batteries drives prices down, we see this in the first five years. The risk of prices rising after 2030 only emerges if we slow down renewable deployment just as coal plants retire. This is a timing challenge, not a technology cost issue. With the right pace of investment, we can manage the energy transition while keeping prices stable," she said.


A link from your AFR article leads to this AFR article

www.afr.com

Electrification and renewables could slice 20pc off energy bills: AEMC

The agency that writes the rules governing the electricity and gas markets estimates big savings for families if they move away from petrol cars and gas.
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Electrification and renewables could slice 20pc off energy bills: AEMC​


Annual household spending on electricity, gas and petrol could be $1000 lower in a decade as renewable generation grows and families increasingly electrify their homes and cars, according to the agency writing the rules that govern the country’s electricity and gas markets.
 
Mutineer said:
Yeah because maintenance hasn't been a priority on coal powered stations with GFovernment forcing electricity suppliers to go "green", and you know it while following the "green" dream the last two decades. Like everything there have also been many advances in the coal technology specifically to burn much cleaner but Australia has locked itself out of these advances on the pipe dream renewables would bring electricity prices down...if you believe Australian power prices will come down I've gor a bridge to sell you real cheap.
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Fossil fuels have been funded more than renewables. Makes sense to transition funding to green energy given it's cheaper to produce. If we didn't have any renewable energy, power prices would be even higher.

There is no such thing as clean coal. Fossil fuels account for around 5 million deaths per year.

Renewables will continue to make a higher proportion of Australia's & World energy supply... the speed of transition will depend on technology advances. Australia probably won't hit up all our targets, but at least we have targets to aim for.
 
Mutineer said:
Yeah because maintenance hasn't been a priority on coal powered stations with GFovernment forcing electricity suppliers to go "green", and you know it while following the "green" dream the last two decades. Like everything there have also been many advances in the coal technology specifically to burn much cleaner but Australia has locked itself out of these advances on the pipe dream renewables would bring electricity prices down...if you believe Australian power prices will come down I've gor a bridge to sell you real cheap.
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The government has been forcing, these coal power stations are 50 years old and at the end of their useful life.

Why would anyone make a business investment decision on an old technology whereas newer technologies like batteries will eventually take the place of coal? And clean coal? Yeh, pull the best at the moment is 40% lower however given coals components it will never be truly clean. And then we have the other furphy, carbon capture and storage.

I note that my superannuation held with a super fund has no investment in anything to do with coal companies.

And over the past 12 months, 74% of electricity generated in SA has been from renewables/batteries. The next best state is Vic with 32%, NSW 25% and surprise, surprise Qld with only 18%. Tasmania is at 98%.
 
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Well there we go!

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Surely there need to be more staff available to review/audit providers.

Reckon the frauds they uncover/prevent would pay for their salaries many times over.

Then more funding available for those in real need... including those stuck long term in hospital beds as have nowhere else to go.

When this amount of money is involved, there need to be the right checks & balances.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Surely there need to be more staff available to review/audit providers.

Reckon the frauds they uncover/prevent would pay for their salaries many times over.

Then more funding available for those in real need... including those stuck long term in hospital beds as have nowhere else to go.

When this amount of money is involved, there need to be the right checks & balances.
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It not just providers that take the piss. Some parents/caregivers/guardians do very well for themselves.
It’s not a hard system to game.
 
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Kane McGoodwin said:
What a surprise the law enforcement agency chiefs don't want a Royal Commission.

Their apparent failure is one of the reasons we need a transparent review into what went wrong, so the public can be assured it won't happen again!

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I get the feeling we will get next to no royal commissions in the future. Every government now is about governing for popularity over substance and it's all about staying in power. Avoiding negative pr at all costs now is the mantra.
 
adelaidecrows said:
I get the feeling we will get next to no royal commissions in the future. Every government now is about governing for popularity over substance and it's all about staying in power. Avoiding negative pr at all costs now is the mantra.
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If this doesn't warrant a Royal Commission, what does?

The public deserve a thorough examination to see what needs to be put in place to minimise the chances of this occurring again.

This means looking into the role of the enforcement agencies, gun laws & hate speech laws.

We owe it to the victims & their family & friends.

The coalition have made this very personal, but the ALP are digging a bigger hole by refusing a Royal Commission. Both have been disappointing.
 
Bearded Clam said:
How do they go about doing that?..
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When spending $46B pa, there should be proper resourcing for checks & balances to be in place.

We hear too many stories of people abusing the system & also at the same time plenty of hardship cases.

More needs to be done to reduce fraud, so monies are directed to those really in need.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
The timing is interesting

They don't specify why now
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I don't know the actual figures, but anecdotally I've noticed more violent incidents at Modbury Interchange the last few months - coincidentally while they are in the process of moving more mental health services into Modbury Hospital.

These have been during the day, with quite a few people at the Interchange, so I'd guess they've already had a bit of public feedback about the need for extra security. There's already been publicity about it on buses and trains (as much for the protection of drivers as the passengers), but there's a equal need at the major interchanges for the safety of the public, especially if they are stuck there for any length of time.
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
If this doesn't warrant a Royal Commission, what does?

The public deserve a thorough examination to see what needs to be put in place to minimise the chances of this occurring again.

This means looking into the role of the enforcement agencies, gun laws & hate speech laws.

We owe it to the victims & their family & friends.

The coalition have made this very personal, but the ALP are digging a bigger hole by refusing a Royal Commission. Both have been disappointing.
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I understand you keep pushing for a Royal Commission but if it takes 2-3 years to report, what is the point then?

We already know that one of the major failures is of ASIO, Federal Police etc and that should be reviewed.

The government determines the TOR so they can dictate what they want to be reviewed as part of a Royal Commission.

We all want answers but the issue is how do we achieve that.

And the Coalition have been very personal and there has been no bipartisanship at all.

And I wish people would stop that antisemitism is being critical of Israel. You can be critical of Israel without being antisemitic.
 
kirky said:
I understand you keep pushing for a Royal Commission but if it takes 2-3 years to report, what is the point then?

We already know that one of the major failures is of ASIO, Federal Police etc and that should be reviewed.

The government determines the TOR so they can dictate what they want to be reviewed as part of a Royal Commission.

We all want answers but the issue is how do we achieve that.

And the Coalition have been very personal and there has been no bipartisanship at all.

And I wish people would stop that antisemitism is being critical of Israel. You can be critical of Israel without being antisemitic.
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This needs to be reviewed properly, which will take time.

Do you think it's appropriate that law enforcement agencies are excluded from any review... because that is why they don't want a Royal Commission! Suggests cover up of incompetence to me.

I mean seriously how hard is it to database match persons of interest to travelling to dodgy countries...

If the Government come up with a narrow terms of reference, they will get smashed in the media, like they are at the moment for refusing a Royal Commission.

BTW, I have been critical of Israeli government... & it's disgusting Benji was blaming Albanese, when his government's actions killing tens of thousands of innocent people was likely the biggest factor in innocent Australian Jews being murdered.
 
n4sir said:
I don't know the actual figures, but anecdotally I've noticed more violent incidents at Modbury Interchange the last few months - coincidentally while they are in the process of moving more mental health services into Modbury Hospital.

These have been during the day, with quite a few people at the Interchange, so I'd guess they've already had a bit of public feedback about the need for extra security. There's already been publicity about it on buses and trains (as much for the protection of drivers as the passengers), but there's a equal need at the major interchanges for the safety of the public, especially if they are stuck there for any length of time.
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The new modbury mental health services opening up soon are older persons (moving Lyell McEwin ward 1H) & rehabilitation (new)... in line with MPH managing older persons & rehabilitation non-mential health patients.

The acute mental health patients (woodleigh house) will move to expand LMH (ward 1H), which already had 1G.

None of this has occurred yet, so nothing to do with increase incidents at Modbury.

However, Modbury staff are temporarily parking in the Adelaide Metro park & ride at TTP whilst the new multi-deck car park has been built. This has led to some staff being attacked as they need to walk further (even though there are ride shares & security).
 
Nothing to see here says the Clam Man...

AFrican gang attack two other African youths just minding their own business out the front of The Balcony Shisha Bar on Lygon Street on New Years Eve when attacked by a car load (7 men) weolding machetes. The ALP Premier Jacinya Allen's machete bins working well....NOT!!!


Two men in hospital after horror group machete attack on Lygon St in Carlton on New Year’s Eve​

A machete-wielding gang remains on the run after a horror attack on Melbourne’s bustling Lygon St just before midnight on New Year’s Eve left two men fighting for life. WARNING: Graphic Images

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria

Horrifying CCTV footage has revealed a violent machete attack on two men on Carlton’s most popular street, fifteen minutes before midnight on New Year’s Eve.
The owners of a juice bar on Lygon St were busy serving hordes of customers when their store was plunged into chaos.
“I was inside my sister’s store and then heard a commotion outside,” said a witness who wished to remain anonymous.
“I ran out to see what was happening and saw a young boy run and then collapse in front of me.
“He was holding his hands to his chest and bleeding rapidly. He looked me straight into my eyes, like he was staring into my soul, and said ‘help me’.
“I recognised him immediately. A few minutes before this happened, we served him and his friends juice. He wished my sister a happy new year when she handed him the tray.
“Not even five minutes later, he was bleeding out in front of me.”
One co-owner of The Balcony Shisha Bar, who wished to remain anonymous, said neither the two victims nor the attackers were customers of the bar at any point during the night.

Devastated for the young injured men, he was horrified to hear about the events which unfortunately ensued on his doorstep.

“It is a horrible situation that this keeps happening all over Melbourne, it’s happening everywhere,” he said.

He said his staff were quick to help the young man who rushed into the bar for safety.

“We immediately called the ambulance and police, and we helped him as much as we could.”

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