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Thanks all.

 

[bzparkes]

Nobody even hinted that the Trump administration arrested her. Strawman.

You were clearly alluding to it in your first post about this. Or were you referencing the Democrat mayor of Grand Rapids?

By the way, you have not yet attempted to defend your allegation that the articles were BS propaganda. Interesting.

Pretty much all news is some kind of propaganda. Apologies if I was wrong wzzm13.com but it's very difficult to find an unbiased news source. I've looked into it and it's deemed centre, so maybe I'll check it out more.

Having said that, the thumbnail for rawstory.com proudly claims 'Anti-Trump critic', which is clearly framing the situation as her being arrested because she's anti-trump, not becuase she was blocking the road. It's a leftist source according to allsides.com(https://www.allsides.com/news-source/raw-story-media-bias) and anything left or right will frame their stories to incite support, thus propaganda.

Yes the fact its Democrat mayor makes it very unlikely the arrest was ordered by the mayor. So likely a couple of cops acting on their own volition.

Yes, in accordance with the law, which you are not allowed to break.

We do not know but can reasonably assume that at some stage she was on the road and maybe that she was ordered to leave said road. If the police order you to get off the road because you are obstructing traffic and you follow their instruction, they cannot then arrest you for being on the road or failing to obey their instruction.

She was not on the road when arrested, indeed she had conducted an interview with the media on the sidewalk, that we can see.

Well clearly they had a reason. Wouldn't be the first time a protest leader provoked police to get arrested to martyr themselves. This stuff happens all the time.

As for the 1st amendment not protecting you from unlawful activity while protesting, if the only alleged unlawful activity is the protest, it does. The simple fact of the matter is when she was arrested she was on the sidewalk, talking to the media. That is protected activity, any order for her to cease is not a lawful order.

As I wasn't there(neither were you) we have to rely on what the news sources say. The fact of the matter is you can see many of the protestors on the road in the first screenshot of the video, so clearly there were people on the road, which isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

Refused to direct protestors to get off the road. WTF Unless she has some sort of legal authority over the protestors, that is not a lawful order, as she has no legal power to order them to do so.

Again, I don't know the ins and outs of protest law in the USA and I'm presuming you don't either, I'm theorising what could have happened.

Right-wing individuals tend to view the world as naturally hierarchical and believe in submission to authority. There is a psychological need for order, structure, and a rigid worldview. So the simple fact she was arrested by police, in your world view means, she was wrong.

I vote for the Greens mate. How am I right wing?

This is simple lefist ideology. Anyone who doesn't think the exact same way they do are immediately branded right-wing.

 

[faible]

I vote for the Greens mate. How am I right wing?

This is simple lefist ideology. Anyone who doesn't think the exact same way they do are immediately branded right-wing.

The bolded is a pretty big clue.

People on the progressive side of politics don't tend to use 'leftists' disparagingly.

They also don't tend to wade in arguing in favour of breaching international law, or Trump, or any manner of things you keep finding yourself arguing.

I have no idea if your claim of voting for the Greens is true, but very little of what I've seen you posts suggests to me you're politically progressive, even though the right-left spectrum is deeply reductive anyway.

 

[Seeds]

The bolded is a pretty big clue.

People on the progressive side of politics don't tend to use 'leftists' disparagingly.

They also don't tend to wade in arguing in favour of breaching international law, or Trump, or any manner of things you keep finding yourself arguing.

I have no idea if your claim of voting for the Greens is true, but very little of what I've seen you posts suggests to me you're politically progressive, even though the right-left spectrum is deeply reductive anyway.

Supporting the otherthrow of totalitarian dictators is progressive. Advocating for their continued rule is not.

 

[faible]

Supporting the otherthrow of totalitarian dictators is progressive. Advocating for their continued rule is not.

deeply reductive

A true Seeds special.

 

[bzparkes]

The bolded is a pretty big clue.

People on the progressive side of politics don't tend to use 'leftists' disparagingly.

They also don't tend to wade in arguing in favour of breaching international law, or Trump, or any manner of things you keep finding yourself arguing.

I have no idea if your claim of voting for the Greens is true, but very little of what I've seen you posts suggests to me you're politically progressive, even though the right-left spectrum is deeply reductive anyway.

Voting Greens doesn't mean I'm a leftist.

Always vote for who potentially benefits you the most through their policies, not whoever parrots your ideology.

Now I certainly was left growing but what being 'left' meant went from simply caring about the environment, having robust social systems, supporting the working class, LGBQT+ rights, etc to the extreme identity politics which affects both the left and right.

Being 'left' is absolutely not what it used to mean whatsoever, so I have no problem calling those on the extreme edge 'leftists', because they no longer represent what it used to mean.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Just kids letting off firecrackers and having fun.

 

[ferball]

Yes???

Unless Ive misinterpreted what you have meant by yes you do get that advocating for fallacies means you are removing yourself from all rational debate right? Rational argument has laws that determine who is most likely right vs wrong. If you dont accept the laws you cant really play the game.

Hey, relax guy.

Also your analogy isnt quite right. Trump may be holding a metal pole up in a storm because he thinks its will given him super powers. But the only reason a large chunk of the international community have allowed him to go outside in the rain is because of the promise it will charge up their phones.

Both of those things are more likely than democracy winning out any way by accident.

 

[Not Important]

 

[ferball]

Is that where Jr got his drug habit? Grabbed it from dad's desk?

Are you talking about Hunter Biden or Dubya?

 

[faible]

How am I right wing?

We got there eventually.

doesn't mean I'm a leftist

was left

You're not politically progressive.

 

[bzparkes]

You're not politically progressive.

Define this for me.

 

[liz]

Voting Greens doesn't mean I'm a leftist.


Now I certainly was left growing but what being 'left' meant went from simply caring about the environment, having robust social systems, supporting the working class, LGBQT+ rights, etc to the extreme identity politics which affects both the left and right.

Can you expand on what you mean by (or perceive to be) “extreme identity politics”? It’s not a term I can attach any meaning to.

 

[Not Important]

well there we have, the mentality of the trump voter.

“I don’t give a **** Joe. As long as he’s kicking ass and pissing off people like you, I’m all in with him.”

What a Trump voter said to me last night when I reminded him he was “America first” and didn’t vote for regime change. Btw, this is what I’m getting from most of em."

joe walsh - substack. he was a republican congressman

 

[Seeds]

A true Seeds special.

You dont think supporting humanity and its right to live freely and prosper is a progressive goal?

 

[faible]

Define this for me.

If only Wikipedia wasn't such a hive of radical leftism you could have looked that up

 

[Not Important]

spot on!

"Look, I know in this age of Trump the fundamental concepts of right and wrong no longer matter, the law no longer matters, the truth no longer matters, and here at home our Constitution no longer matters. So I’m probably just shouting into the wind, but…it doesn’t matter what you think of Maduro, what we just did in Venezuela is immoral, unconstitutional, and illegal. And it makes us no different than any other dictatorial regime that invades another sovereign nation."

joe walsh -substack

 

[faible]

You dont think supporting humanity and its right to live freely and prosper is a progressive goal?

I think taking my comment and making a deeply reductive and inaccurate snippet of it and pretending that represents the fullness of the comment or any real position is a typical Seeds post.

 

[bzparkes]

Can you expand on what you mean by (or perceive to be) “extreme identity politics”? It’s not a term I can attach any meaning to.

Look at the biggest social issues since Occupy Wall St conveniently disappeared and the extreme reactions from both political persuasions and you'll see what I mean. It's all just a big distraction for the masses though.

 

[Not Important]

what a nerve. a two-bit rwnj threatening a man of decency who has served his country with honour. just why there isn't rebellion in the streets at this fascist control is beyond belief.

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/05/nx-s1-5667080/mark-kelly-pete-hegseth-pentagon-military-rank-retirement

 

[bzparkes]

If only Wikipedia wasn't such a hive of radical leftism you could have looked that up

I want to hear your take.

 

[Seeds]

I think taking my comment and making a deeply reductive and inaccurate snippet of it and pretending that represents the fullness of the comment or any real position is a typical Seeds post.

How is it reductive? You posted this poster always seems to support right wing opinions in the very thread where his arguments appear quite progressive to me. So im asking you why you dont think these are progressive opinions? How is advocating that totalitarian leaders stay in power not progressive.

 

[faible]

How is it reductive? You posted this poster always seems to support right wing opinions in the very thread where his arguments appear quite progressive to me. So im asking you why you dont think these are progressive opinions?

Once more, a Seeds special.

For example, what was actually said:

arguing in favour of breaching international law

What Seeds pretends was said:

Supporting the otherthrow of totalitarian dictators is progressive. Advocating for their continued rule is not.

We can go round and round in circles where you do this highly reductive thing and reply to something that really wasn't said, or we can simply not waste the time and energy when we both know you'll keep doing it.

 

[Beerfish]

I've looked into it and it's deemed centre, so maybe I'll check it out more.

 

[faible]

I want to hear your take.

It's quite clear that you're not particularly interested in hearing anyone's take that doesn't agree with you.

Same as when you made up your own definition of war, then got upset when someone disagreed and proceeded to go on a whole anti-Wikipedia radical leftism rant.

There's also plenty of difference and disagreement within 'the left' because once again

the right-left spectrum is deeply reductive anyway.

 

[Seeds]

Once more, a Seeds special.

For example, what was actually said:



What Seeds pretends was said:



We can go round and round in circles where you do this highly reductive thing and reply to something that really wasn't said, or we can simply not waste the time and energy when we both know you'll keep doing it.

I wasnt responding to that point. I was responding to the point where you said this poster mostly only posts right wing opinions. Therefore you are arguing that the majority of posts in this thread by the poster (and other threads) is right wing. Im pointing out that one, a pretty important one if not the main one in this thread, is not. You cant just pretend your comment was about one specific thing the poster said in this thread. As your comment was in reference to everything they said.

Anyway based on this confusion its now clear to me that you agree with me (or atleast not willing to argue against) the idea that being against totalitarinisn is progressive. So no need to continue.