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Hondo said:
Despite public interest in certain cold cases, I think the public would expect that if there is a time conflict, resources are put into protecting alive people from currently alive bad people.
Said with all due respect to the loved ones impacted for years not getting answers.
Statistically about 10% if murders go cold. Some just become unsolvable after a period of time, sadly.
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correct. a few current drug related murders at the moment. 3 guys from the southern suburbs, one recent murder at Lonsdale.
 
Ostins_Park said:
It appears they have, and I'm really keen to understand how this works. We recently heard NSW police state they don't want to use resources on Wanda Beach when they could work on 'solvable' cases instead.

Entirely the wrong attitude, IMHO.

Do state police departments get to choose what they do and don't work on? I appreciate they have finite resources, which is why I'm an advocate of a third party for cold cases, a national body with funding to keep these cases alive when local LE have lost the trail.

Do any such third parties exist for investigating cold cases on a national level? Does anyone know? Id be more than happy if my tax dollars funded this.
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I understand your logic, but it has some flaws. If the police don’t have enough funding, how could the government afford to then fund an entirely new third party service?

It would need to be privately run but potentially government backed by allowing access to case files etc
 
craffles said:
I understand your logic, but it has some flaws. If the police don’t have enough funding, how could the government afford to then fund an entirely new third party service?

It would need to be privately run but potentially government backed by allowing access to case files etc
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Both are right

Like taxes there is general funding and a budget is created and allocated

In this case the police are given funds and allocate based on needs. The government doesnt need to fund a 3rd party service ( and it would be silly to ) what is needed is the for the public to push for an add-on utilising experienced detectives who for whatever reason are retired or ready for pension in a Cold Case set up.

I think given the new technologies some old cases would be solved utilising DNA techniques

Another issue is who do you prioritise? We all want this to be solved but there are many many more who would feel their own personal stories are also looked at

I think it can be done and want it to but its going to take a concerted push by us - the public - to make sure the focus is on setting a CC unit up as a starting point
 
GreyCrow said:
Both are right

Like taxes there is general funding and a budget is created and allocated

In this case the police are given funds and allocate based on needs. The government doesnt need to fund a 3rd party service ( and it would be silly to ) what is needed is the for the public to push for an add-on utilising experienced detectives who for whatever reason are retired or ready for pension in a Cold Case set up.

I think given the new technologies some old cases would be solved utilising DNA techniques

Another issue is who do you prioritise? We all want this to be solved but there are many many more who would feel their own personal stories are also looked at

I think it can be done and want it to but its going to take a concerted push by us - the public - to make sure the focus is on setting a CC unit up as a starting point
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A Cold Case Unit (CCU) similar to the one in the Harry Bosch book series would be good, but my fear with an add-on is that they'd still be playing second fiddle to departmental resources.

The biggest objection to my third party suggestion appears to be funding, but it shouldn't be...the whole idea is predicated on elevating cold case and missing persons cases in our society's priority agenda and make the funding available.

Im sure we'd get broad support on a true crime forum, but raising above the noise of the political and news cycles is another matter.

A political mechanism would need to be activated for that, but assuming the will was there, my third party idea was more along the line of the FBI, MI5 or the AFP. A unit with sufficient gravitas within law enforcement that local beat cops and detectives take interactions seriously.

But GreyCrows idea of volunteer groups made up of ex detectives and genetic genealogists is a good one as a start.
 

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brendan299 said:
Why hasn't the coroner of South Australia ever held an inquest into this tragedy?
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What would it achieve? Can it prove the children are deceased? if not then it goes back to the police for further investigation. The family can request an inquest in order to try and have the children determined deceased to be able to apply for a death certificate but if the coroner, after reviewing the police investigation on the case, deems there to be insufficient evidence to prove anything then they won't hold an inquest to start with.

What evidence exists that would help prove who took the children and what actually happened to them?
 
BonzaRam said:
What would it achieve? Can it prove the children are deceased? if not then it goes back to the police for further investigation. The family can request an inquest in order to try and have the children determined deceased to be able to apply for a death certificate but if the coroner, after reviewing the police investigation on the case, deems there to be insufficient evidence to prove anything then they won't hold an inquest to start with.

What evidence exists that would help prove who took the children and what actually happened to them?
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The case is stale, has been for a long time.

An inquest may flush out some new information, its worth a shot as what SAPOL have done prior hasnt achieved anything, despite the numerous searches and $1 million reward.

An inquest into a cold case can achieve the following:
  • Establish Key Details: Determine the cause, manner, and circumstances of a death, particularly when initial investigations failed to do so.
  • Formally Confirm Death: In cases of missing persons, a coroner can officially find that a person is deceased, enabling families to obtain a death certificate, even if no body has been found.
  • Uncover New Information/Evidence: By allowing for the re-examination of witnesses and documentation, an inquest can reveal previously overlooked evidence.
  • Identify Systemic Issues: The coroner can examine broader issues, such as problems in public health, safety, or the administration of justice, and make recommendations to prevent similar future incidents.
  • Refer Matters for Prosecution: While a coroner cannot determine guilt, they can refer a case to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) if they find evidence that a known person committed an indictable offence.
  • Provide Closure for Families: The process can provide answers to families, offering a sense of closure, or at least a clearer understanding of what happened.
  • Trigger Further Investigations: A coroner’s findings can be used to justify re-opening a police investigation if the initial case appears against the weight of evidence.
 
brendan299 said:
The case is stale, has been for a long time.

An inquest may flush out some new information, its worth a shot as what SAPOL have done prior hasnt achieved anything, despite the numerous searches and $1 million reward.

An inquest into a cold case can achieve the following:
  • Establish Key Details: Determine the cause, manner, and circumstances of a death, particularly when initial investigations failed to do so.
  • Formally Confirm Death: In cases of missing persons, a coroner can officially find that a person is deceased, enabling families to obtain a death certificate, even if no body has been found.
  • Uncover New Information/Evidence: By allowing for the re-examination of witnesses and documentation, an inquest can reveal previously overlooked evidence.
  • Identify Systemic Issues: The coroner can examine broader issues, such as problems in public health, safety, or the administration of justice, and make recommendations to prevent similar future incidents.
  • Refer Matters for Prosecution: While a coroner cannot determine guilt, they can refer a case to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) if they find evidence that a known person committed an indictable offence.
  • Provide Closure for Families: The process can provide answers to families, offering a sense of closure, or at least a clearer understanding of what happened.
  • Trigger Further Investigations: A coroner’s findings can be used to justify re-opening a police investigation if the initial case appears against the weight of evidence.
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I could have used AI to give you the same reply but in the end it still doesn't answer this question

What evidence exists that would help prove who took the children and what actually happened to them?

What about, who could be called to give evidence 60 years after the fact? Who is still alive to be able to do that? I know what a coronial inquest can achieve when it has the resources to do so but what exactly in this mysterious disappearance that has no physical evidence at all and only reportings of the children playing happily with an unknown man whose description fits many known offenders of this type of crime who cannot be ruled out from being there on that day?

or is it really and independent inquiry into the police investigation of the case that you seek?

Here is the real life source...

Inquests - CAA

A Grant is the official recognition by the Supreme Court of the document which constitutes the last Will and then also acknowledges the right of those named in the Will as executors to administer the estate.
www.courts.sa.gov.au www.courts.sa.gov.au
 
BonzaRam said:
I could have used AI to give you the same reply but in the end it still doesn't answer this question

What evidence exists that would help prove who took the children and what actually happened to them?

What about, who could be called to give evidence 60 years after the fact? Who is still alive to be able to do that? I know what a coronial inquest can achieve when it has the resources to do so but what exactly in this mysterious disappearance that has no physical evidence at all and only reportings of the children playing happily with an unknown man whose description fits many known offenders of this type of crime who cannot be ruled out from being there on that day?

or is it really and independent inquiry into the police investigation of the case that you seek?

Here is the real life source...

Inquests - CAA

A Grant is the official recognition by the Supreme Court of the document which constitutes the last Will and then also acknowledges the right of those named in the Will as executors to administer the estate.
www.courts.sa.gov.au www.courts.sa.gov.au
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It can be both at the same time.

There are still some witnesses alive, which is why this needs to happen asap.

Doing the same same isnt achieving anything to help resolve this case and potentially find their remains.
 
Interesting from Melanie Ambrose...

https://thenightly.com.au/australia...bill-cottons-link-to-infamous-case-c-21471331
 
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60 years on. You either talk to alive witnesses who would have already told police their story at the time (if not, were they living under a rock) or you talk to alive relatives or associates who are recounting second hand stories or recollections from 60 years ago when most people can’t remember what they had for lunch 7 days ago.
As frustrating as this and other cold cases are until someone claims the $1m with real intel on the location of the bodies I fear this case will just be an ongoing process of new names that people try to fit into the identikit or ongoing claims of police cover ups.
Really this case despite newer names is no closer to solution than it has been over 60 years.
All that is said to conclude I don’t see an inquest being a good use of public money if it gets us no closer to the truth.
Then you have the question on why have an inquest on this particular case and not the 100 other cold cases in SA? What makes this one more important?
 
Hondo said:
60 years on. You either talk to alive witnesses who would have already told police their story at the time (if not, were they living under a rock) or you talk to alive relatives or associates who are recounting second hand stories or recollections from 60 years ago when most people can’t remember what they had for lunch 7 days ago.
As frustrating as this and other cold cases are until someone claims the $1m with real intel on the location of the bodies I fear this case will just be an ongoing process of new names that people try to fit into the identikit or ongoing claims of police cover ups.
Really this case despite newer names is no closer to solution than it has been over 60 years.
All that is said to conclude I don’t see an inquest being a good use of public money if it gets us no closer to the truth.
Then you have the question on why have an inquest on this particular case and not the 100 other cold cases in SA? What makes this one more important?
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Mate, public money is p1ssed up the wall on all manner of garbage every day, to the tune of billions of dollars a year in this country.

This is the lives of three beautiful children. It's just my opinion, but I think there should be no higher-valued pursuit than protecting our children and that means going hard on anyone and anything that harms them, especially the filth who abuse children and take them from their families.

If an inquiry turned the dial just 1% closer to finding these kids, I'd say it would be worth every penny, regardless of the cost.
 
Ostins_Park said:
Mate, public money is p1ssed up the wall on all manner of garbage every day, to the tune of billions of dollars a year in this country.

This is the lives of three beautiful children. It's just my opinion, but I think there should be no higher-valued pursuit than protecting our children and that means going hard on anyone and anything that harms them, especially the filth who abuse children and take them from their families.

If an inquiry turned the dial just 1% closer to finding these kids, I'd say it would be worth every penny, regardless of the cost.
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Exactly I agree protecting our children must be the priority.
Our currently alive children.
Spending $m on an inquest into children that died 60 years ago, with little chance of actually solving it, with all likely suspects dead and no longer a threat to children today seems very wasteful to me.
How many rock spiders still alive could those $m get off the streets?
 

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Social media and the Beaumont's

Facebook

I must say it's very frantic over there on SM. Considering we just passed the Anniversary
For those new to the case, here are all the pages talking about the Beaumont's

Unmasking The killer of the Beaumont Children
A page run by a business, promoting the Satin man Theory and series of books
Traditionally there is no discussion on there! They will block you if you come in with an attitude.
I personally was blocked a long time ago.

Cold Case Whistle Blowers
A page run by a PI, they talk a bit about the Beaumont's but generally talk about Stan Harts crimes.
They also talk about and generate discussion on The Adelaide oval abduction and other missing kids.
Some discussion allowed but they have blocked my fellow researcher

Cold Cases Australia Unearthed
A page that suggests Dawson Ryan is responsible for all of the missing kids in Australia
They believe that Dawson Ryan, an Adelaide man took the kids
Looks like they allow discussion.

Leave The Light ON
A well-known page that's been around for ages. it's the go too page for Australia's missing kids.
Hopefully it will stay unbiased, and not promote a particular theory

The Others, personal pages
Searching "The Beaumont Children" will come up the Privateers commenting on the case.
These guys will generally promote their family members as the POI for the Abduction.
Definitely try searching these guys out, they have interesting views


TikTok

Clarity In Chaos
Has some content on the Beaumont's
Discussion I think is allowed.
 
I guess this had to come out sooner or later....
I'm referring to Nancy's other life. For many of us who are long-term students/posters in this case, it's been the elephant in the room we have all known about but have respectfully avoided until recently. I've wanted to discuss this for years, as have many l think.

I think the fact we have not taken recent tacky and disrespectful baits here is a tribute to us all and our authenticity.

I was 12 in 1966 and lived near Glenelg. Police drove down our street calling through a loud hailer. It changed our lives.

In 1966, we had no internet. Our household had no phone, like most. We relied on black n white TV and a paper thrown on our lawn at 7am. Despite these barriers, word of mouth spread within days of Nancy's private life. My very conservative Father said this was not for discussion as we didn't know them.

Nancy and Jim's marriage was none of our business. The only real evidence we have that something may have been amiss was Jane's last note to her parents when she minded her siblings at night. "Grant wanted to sleep in his own bed, so one of you will have to sleep with Arnna". We also have Jane's beautiful comment "l hope you had a nice time wherever you went".
We can read between the lines. Maybe mum and dad were seeking counselling. Maybe they just wanted time alone. Maybe they were making plans to separate.

Those children were clearly loved and adored , especially by Mr B. I have no doubt.

My theory, for whats it's worth, is that the children were left alone far too often because of messy entanglements within the marriage. I think they were at the beach much too frequently, allowing them to befriend goodness knows who. To me, alleged time frames mean nothing that day because of messy evidence.
 
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