The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[QuietB]

Water rights? Really? There are so many problems in this country and water rights isnt near the top of the list.

Fantastic. Great Move. Well done Angus.

Housing, foreign gas companies paying little tax, intergenerational wealth problem, the looming age dependency health crisis and the rising threat of social media driven populism (on both the left and right) are the issues needing to be addressed.

Housing - market ruined by Howard policies
Gas companies paying little tax - Abbott "Axe the Tax"
Health crisis - Liberals privatised the entire sector and it is a disaster
Social media driven populism - again, Liberals did nothing

Angus is not the answer to any question worth asking.

 

[Kyptastic]

Everything I've heard from Taylor and Hume since the leadership change is pretty much reheating the policies that they took to the 2025 election.

Sounds like they think that it was the policies were sound, but the person making the sales pitch was wrong.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Water rights? Really? There are so many problems in this country and water rights isnt near the top of the list.

Housing, foreign gas companies paying little tax, intergenerational wealth problem, the looming age dependency health crisis and the rising threat of social media driven populism (on both the left and right) are the issues needing to be addressed.

Whoosh! Over your head and Splat! on the wall behind.

(Don’t worry mate, happens to the best of us!)

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Everything I've heard from Taylor and Hume since the leadership change is pretty much reheating the policies that they took to the 2025 election.

Sounds like they think that it was the policies were sound, but the person making the sales pitch was wrong.

Well though their policies were shite, I’d actually agree on the last bit.

I can’t provide any more evidence than a hunch, but I always felt whatever meagre “popularity” Dutton registered in polling was hugely exaggerated for some reason. Most conservatives I know found him creepy and sinister.

 

[Not Important]

Thanks for the tag. Considering who Amy works for and the nature of the piece, I'd strongly suggest she's been told by someone in Labor they will be targeting Goldstein. Lot to happen between now and an election though.

if you've followed amy on her many platforms, you'd see that while she is an egalitarian by nature, she is no stenographer for labor. she has been an outspoken critic of many of their policies. doubt they'll be going hard in goldstein.

 

[The Punter]

if you've followed amy on her many platforms, you'd see that while she is an egalitarian by nature, she is no stenographer for labor. she has been an outspoken critic of many of their policies. doubt they'll be going hard in goldstein.

If she has contacts from her political journo days, they'll be from that side and not our side. It sure reads like she was reporting rather than thinking aloud.

 

[Not Important]

If she has contacts from her political journo days, they'll be from that side and not our side. It sure reads like she was reporting rather than thinking aloud.

not her style. she's no stenographer. and she's further left than the present centre right labor outfit.

 

[GrayRanga]

It is unfortunate that the Liberal Party's analysis of the loss on the last election has been stifled.

Must give the members a fair amount of disenfranchisment that they can't address the issues (on every level) that lead to their thrashing and attempt to avoid them in the future.

It also leaves the voters in a time loop feeling; they didn't vote for them because of reasons but the Party hasn't acknowledged the reasons for the loss let alone address them

 

[JackOutback]

Chalmers mocks Taylor's pitch for bipartisan budget savings taskforce

Angus Taylor wrote to the prime minister pitching the plan just days after being elected leader of the Liberal Party.

www.abc.net.au

Bipartisan budget savings taskforce f*** lol, imagine the response if a Labor opposition leader suggested that.

Just like the Bondi response, they think their policies should be accepted from Opposition. Born to rule mentality. You're not the ****ing government, people voted for you not to be making these decisions.

 

[peetoo]

Bipartisan might have been relevant with 6% inflation

 

[masai tu]

It is unfortunate that the Liberal Party's analysis of the loss on the last election has been stifled.

Must give the members a fair amount of disenfranchisment that they can't address the issues (on every level) that lead to their thrashing and attempt to avoid them in the future.

It also leaves the voters in a time loop feeling; they didn't vote for them because of reasons but the Party hasn't acknowledged the reasons for the loss let alone address them

I still can't get over the Libs who think the party has lurched to the left ........., hate to see them driving on the road !!!!.

The latest advice I've seen from the journo's (insert rich scandal sheet owners views), is that the Libs need to go to the right, to stifle the One Nation appeal.

Centre is where the votes are.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Dutton, then Ley, then Taylor. The slippery slope to political oblivion

Preface that with Morrison, who only won the unwinnable election because fat Clive parlayed $40million into ads that didn't net him a single seat in parliment but put a deciding dent in Labor's vote.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Senior Liberals deny involvement in draft policy to ban Gaza migrants

A leaked copy of the Liberal Party's migration policy prepared before Sussan Ley was ousted included plans to "elevate" the current non-binding Australian values statement.

www.abc.net.au

This Australian values statement looks great. Based on initial drafts, Barnaby Joyce will be on the first plane back to New Zealand.

 

[Permission Capable]

It is unfortunate that the Liberal Party's analysis of the loss on the last election has been stifled.

Must give the members a fair amount of disenfranchisment that they can't address the issues (on every level) that lead to their thrashing and attempt to avoid them in the future.

It also leaves the voters in a time loop feeling; they didn't vote for them because of reasons but the Party hasn't acknowledged the reasons for the loss let alone address them

This is it. While they consider to ignorantly ignore why and how they have reached the position they have (seats/polls wise) they will continue to be more ane more irrelevant and uncompetitive.

 

[The Punter]

Senior Liberals deny involvement in draft policy to ban Gaza migrants

A leaked copy of the Liberal Party's migration policy prepared before Sussan Ley was ousted included plans to "elevate" the current non-binding Australian values statement.

www.abc.net.au

This Australian values statement looks great. Based on initial drafts, Barnaby Joyce will be on the first plane back to New Zealand.

Nice try, but despite his antecedents, Barnaby was born in Tamworth.

 

[JackOutback]

Senior Liberals deny involvement in draft policy to ban Gaza migrants

A leaked copy of the Liberal Party's migration policy prepared before Sussan Ley was ousted included plans to "elevate" the current non-binding Australian values statement.

www.abc.net.au

This Australian values statement looks great. Based on initial drafts, Barnaby Joyce will be on the first plane back to New Zealand.

Simple two question test should suffice.

Do you call your mates...
a) Mate
b) campaigner

Do you call campaigners...
a) campaigner
b) Mate

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Nice try, but despite his antecedents, Barnaby was born in Tamworth.

No problem. A slight reframing of the policy and I'm sure we could send him to Nauru or Guantanamo Bay for an extended "holiday" on some pretext or other. Donald Trump seems to manage just fine.

 

[faible]

I still can't get over the Libs who think the party has lurched to the left ........., hate to see them driving on the road !!!!.

The latest advice I've seen from the journo's (insert rich scandal sheet owners views), is that the Libs need to go to the right, to stifle the One Nation appeal.

Centre is where the votes are.

I just can't see what their strategists are thinking here.

You look at the last election result, you had LNP with ~ 32% of the vote, with 'further right' options like ON and TOP around ~8.5%.

Meanwhile, you had Independents (most of whom are the centre-right Teal variety) at about 7.2% of the vote themselves, plus the ALP making up ~ 34.5% and the Greens another 12.2%

So you've got around 8-9% of the voter base further right than the LNP, and > 50% further left.

Sure there's a bit of a scare around the ON polling at the moment, but the last election is a known outcome. The majority of the Australia voting population sit to the left of the LNP, not the right. So a lurch to the right, in this voting system, is pursuing what strategy? What constituents are they representing?

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Sure there's a bit of a scare around the ON polling at the moment, but the last election is a known outcome. The majority of the Australia voting population sit to the left of the LNP, not the right. So a lurch to the right, in this voting system, is pursuing what strategy? What constituents are they representing?

The Principality of Skynewsia.

 

[QuietB]

I just can't see what their strategists are thinking here.

You look at the last election result, you had LNP with ~ 32% of the vote, with 'further right' options like ON and TOP around ~8.5%.

Meanwhile, you had Independents (most of whom are the centre-right Teal variety) at about 7.2% of the vote themselves, plus the ALP making up ~ 34.5% and the Greens another 12.2%

So you've got around 8-9% of the voter base further right than the LNP, and > 50% further left.

Sure there's a bit of a scare around the ON polling at the moment, but the last election is a known outcome. The majority of the Australia voting population sit to the left of the LNP, not the right. So a lurch to the right, in this voting system, is pursuing what strategy? What constituents are they representing?

Labor don't even bother chasing The Green vote because they know they will get it before the Liberals do.

Why can't the Liberals Learn that Labor are never going to get the vote from the right. Those votes are always going to preference back to the Liberals - there is no reason to chase them.

If that means your primary vote suffers a little so what - barely any seats are settled on primary vote.

 

[RedStarUncle]

Labor don't even bother chasing The Green vote because they know they will get it before the Liberals do.

Why can't the Liberals Learn that Labor are never going to get the vote from the right. Those votes are always going to preference back to the Liberals - there is no reason to chase them.

If that means your primary vote suffers a little so what - barely any seats are settled on primary vote.

The vested interests within the party don't care about chasing voters anymore... they see the party as a tool for telling voters what they should believe. Hence why it's spent the last 15 years talking mostly about cultural issues and reducing economic and social issues to cultural ones ("don't like coal power? Must be a blue-haired transgender loving woke type").

 

[Proper Gander]

Without agreeing or disagreeing with Turnbull, I don't see what good he is doing other than entertaining himself.

Entertaining me

 

[MrKK]

Labor don't even bother chasing The Green vote because they know they will get it before the Liberals do.

Why can't the Liberals Learn that Labor are never going to get the vote from the right. Those votes are always going to preference back to the Liberals - there is no reason to chase them.

If that means your primary vote suffers a little so what - barely any seats are settled on primary vote.

That is incorrect. Green-Labor preference flows are about 10% above ON-Liberal, and that was likely a high-water mark from 2025 where ON preferenced LNP on their HTV cards in most seats. Won't happen next time in any seat where they are realistic chance of beating them.

While it is clear that support for Labor and the Greens coalesces with an easily assumed preference flow above 85% between the parties, the evidence of the 2025 Federal and recent Queensland elections shows the similar figure between the Coalition and One Nation is around 75%.

It’s why in my previous post I pointed out that the chances of support for the Coalition and One Nation coalescing into an election winning bloc requires stronger preference flows than we have seen in the past.

Statistics on Preference Flows between the Coalition and One Nation

This post is additional information on preference flows related to a post I published earlier today, “Liberal, National and One Nation – Friends, Enemies or Frenemies?” With One Nation&…

antonygreen.com.au

 

[krakouers]

Everything I've heard from Taylor and Hume since the leadership change is pretty much reheating the policies that they took to the 2025 election.

Sounds like they think that it was the policies were sound, but the person making the sales pitch was wrong.

The right wing has seized control of the Liberals, but the fight has just begun

Angus Taylor says he will unite the Liberal Party, but a deeper rift is forming between those who want to overhaul the party's direction and those who believe doing so would mean political death.

www.abc.net.au

"One of the biggest things that I think is a problem is that we have politicians who have been completely algorithmed," she told Four Corners.

"We've always had the pub test, but people are replacing that with their social media feed, and they are thinking that the world is a place that it is not, and they are living in an alternative reality.

"The huge concern there is that they're creating public policy for that virtual reality.

“There are people in Australian politics on both the far left and the far right. They speak with such a conviction that they are so certain that they have the finger on the pulse. They have their finger on their social media algorithm“

 

[Rotayjay]

They've changed the Four Corners music!

It was definitely an intriguing episode tonight. I agree with Tony Barry who said that if the Liberals keep chasing the political fringe, they'll keep getting fringe results. A salient line.