Play Nice 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

[Gigantor]

Going to be interesting seeing AFLW ratings v A-league ratings. Having AFLW out rate A league, which is looking highly probable, will burn the soccer nuts.

It will also highlight to the people that still do not get why the AFL got involved in womens football, some of the benefits.

it's already looking like it will be a massacre. You can see already that even the lower AFLW ratings will be higher than the better A-League ratings.

 

[Kwality]

It's all about the size of the mixing bowl, and the ins and outs, it's like a big revolving door of fans, coming and going.

In the AFL, the mixing bowl is big, and the ins are constantly replacing the outs, some years, the ins might even be bigger than the outs.

With the A-League, the mixing bowl is already small, and they are not in a position to replace the outs with new ins.

So the various metrics start to decline. Every now and then, something might happen to bump them up temporarily, like a Del Piero, or the Wanderers replacing Gold Coast, but otherwise, the norm is a long, steady decline.

Can't see a club stuck out in the sticks will help too much.

The FFA are on the nose & rudderless, any recovery needs to be from the bottom up - when the CEO & chairman are looking foolish, remember this from the SMH after Mr Lowy left the building.:
Nov 20, 2018 - Chris Nikou is the new FFA chairman. He will enjoy goodwill, but only until he starts making decisions: and he needs to act swiftly.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It's all about the size of the mixing bowl, and the ins and outs, it's like a big revolving door of fans, coming and going.

In the AFL, the mixing bowl is big, and the ins are constantly replacing the outs, some years, the ins might even be bigger than the outs.

With the A-League, the mixing bowl is already small, and they are not in a position to replace the outs with new ins.

So the various metrics start to decline. Every now and then, something might happen to bump them up temporarily, like a Del Piero, or the Wanderers replacing Gold Coast, but otherwise, the norm is a long, steady decline.

Can't see a club stuck out in the sticks will help too much.

They really have to move quickly in turning things around because it is eerily similar to the NBL twenty years ago. A couple of failing new sides and if Fox come out with only a $30mil dollar PA offer for the next rights; with their current ratings no one is going to beat that.
I’m not actually sure if anyone has the answers to their problems because they are so vast and they don’t have the money to try and solve most of them and that’s likely to only get worse.

 

[Kangapirate]

Having the A league top 6 decided about 2 weeks ago can’t help, the pecking order appears to be the same, Victory and Sydney fc up near the top joined by an annual surprise packet, last yr Newcastle this year perth. The playoff system rewards mediocrity with straight knockout games which makes the regular season feel even more meaningless.

The sport itself is run poorly and it’s fractured with a major disconnect between the top flight and state leagues.

 

[BobbyMorri]

The league is just uninteresting at the moment.

I should be a fan, but I couldnt tell you who is on top if i didnt read this thread. this finals system is the worst and is a showcase of why the AFL should never expand from the final 8 with the current number of teams. whats the point of the regular season. Why should i care when it means so little.

 

[Kangapirate]

"Maybe it's because a lot of support for soccer comes from Sydney - the most fickle city in the world. Or Australia at least."
Considering 4 teams = 40% of the comp is in NSW ATM its no wonder the crowds drop massively when those teams are not winning particularly the two Sydney teams that have their support drop off quickly when they are not at the top.

It looks like the A League is starting to look more and more like the failed NSL and that Lowys dream is going down the same path as the NSL and it will be a very long time if ever for soccer to get anywhere near #1 football code status in Australia.

Getting booted from the second rate Asian Cup wont help to improve soccer's standing with the Australian sporting public let alone their own fans either.

Have you seen how diabolical melbourne city crowds are?

The league would be dead without Victory. They strategically targetted afl fans from the get go and now have a membership base where over half are members of a footy team. Unless the A league moves to winter theyre laughing. The rest are screwed.

Next yr will be an even bigger laugh with west melbourne playing in an empty kardinia park.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Six of the 9 Australian A League Clubs have partial or full foreign ownership. Foreign Chinese interests own Newcastle, & have strong interests in Adelaide & Melb. City; & recently bid for a new A League license in Sthn. Sydney.
Port Adelaide AFL club is receiving significant Chinese funding. Huawei telco. is Canberra NRL team main jumper sponsor.

Australian, US, & most other western governments & intelligence agencies have publicly warned about Chinese theft of scientific secrets & intellectual property; & "...about Chinese efforts to undermine western democracy through military brinkmanship, and cyber war...". They have stated all Chinese "private' companies, that operate outside China, are, in fact, subservient to Chinese military Intelligence & instructions. China officially denies all these claims.

The Aust. govt. has banned Huawei from involvement in the 5g Network rollout, due to "security concerns".

Academics have also written about all the super powers' "Soft Power" generally, in history; & how China, recently, might attempt to use Soft Power (through cultural exchanges etc) to make the citizens of other countries "well-disposed" to China, & its strategic interests. China rejects these claims of, inappropriately, seeking "influence".
China says it was, in previous eras, subject to savage occupation/exploitation/ repression by western countries & Japan. The Opium Wars of the late 19th century, led by Britain & western countries, are taught to every Chinese school child.
(The West, against China's will, imported large amounts of opium (heroin) into China- to use as payment for Chinese tea etc. exports. The Chinese launched a major armed rebellion, which was savagely repressed)

Could this Chinese "interference/threat" in western countries etc. cause the Aust. Government and/or citizens to resent PRC mainland Chinese influence in Australia?
Might there be public opprobrium/a backlash against Chinese funding/sponsorship or ownership of Australian sporting Clubs? And could the A League suffer the most consequences should this occur, affecting funding of the A League & its GR programs?

Macrobusiness is an Australian economics/finance/politics analysis website.
The 29.1.19 link below quotes The Australian newspaper, the Australian Financial Review (AFR), & the well-regarded British Financial Times (FT).

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/mask-falls-chinese-tyranny/

AFR J. Stensholt 4.5.18

https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...ets-part-of-soccer-revolution-20180503-h0zldp

 

[jatz14]

Six of the 9 Australian A League Clubs have partial or full foreign ownership. Foreign Chinese interests own Newcastle, & have strong interests in Adelaide & Melb. City; & recently bid for a new A League license in Sthn. Sydney.
Port Adelaide AFL club is receiving significant Chinese funding.

Australian, US, & other western governments & intelligence agencies have publicly warned about Chinese theft of scientific secrets & intellectual property; & "...about Chinese efforts to undermine western democracy through military brinkmanship, and cyber war...". They have stated all Chinese "private' companies, that operate outside China, are, in fact, subservient to Chinese military Intelligence. China officially denies all these claims.

Academics have also written about all the super powers' "Soft Power" generally, in history; & how China, recently, might attempt to use Soft Power (through cultural exchanges etc) to make the citizens of other countries "well-disposed" to China, & its strategic interests. China rejects these claims of seeking "influence".
China says it was, in previous eras, subject to savage occupation /exploitation/ repression by western countries & Japan. The Opium Wars of the late 19th century, led by Britain & western countries, are taught to every Chinese school child (The West, against China's will, imported large amounts of opium into China- to use as payment for Chinese tea etc)

Could this Chinese "interference/threat" in western countries etc. cause the Aust. Government and/or citizens to resent Chinese influence in Australia?
Might there be a backlash against Chinese funding/sponsorship or ownership of Australian sporting Clubs? And could the A League suffer the most consequences should this occur, affecting funding of the A League & its GR programs?

Macrobusiness is an Australian economic/finance/politics analysis website.
The 29.1.19 link below quotes The Australian newspaper, the Australian Financial Review (AFR), & the well-regarded British Financial Times (FT).

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/mask-falls-chinese-tyranny/

AFR J. Stensholt 4.5.18

https://www.afr.com/business/sport/...ets-part-of-soccer-revolution-20180503-h0zldp

If the Chinese are using soft power, they picked the wrong sport

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[BobbyMorri]

If the Chinese are using soft power, they picked the wrong sport

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Well, Qatar are, via Manchester City, via Melbourne City. But if China wanted to use soft power via soccer, they picked the wrong country.

2 poor crowds for the BBL in Sydney and Melbourne the last 2 nights. If the BBL were serious about converting kids to the game and getting them attending, then perhaps having games starting at 7(or later) isnt the smartest idea on a school night. I fear what the crowd will be in Launny tmw for a similar timed game starting at 7:40.

Nothing wrong with 14 games. But the structure is a complete mess.

 

[Kangapirate]

Considering the wild weather Melbourne had and the very late finish just past 10.30pm, you would have to say a crowd of just over 10,000 is still a decent effort. It’s going to be a limp to the finish line though.

 

[Our Game]

Considering the wild weather Melbourne had and the very late finish just past 10.30pm, you would have to say a crowd of just over 10,000 is still a decent effort. It’s going to be a limp to the finish line though.

The trouble with a small crowd like that at Docklands is the crap atmosphere (rather like the NRL matches at ANZ stadium in Sydney) and for a purely "sports entertainment" product hat the BBL is its a disaster that no amount of marketing BS can fix!Even he matches at the SCG are now pulling poor crowds.

I think the BBL is in the same trouble as the A League and CA will have to be very careful as to how they run this comp into the future or they will lose it.

 

[Kangapirate]

I wouldn’t go that far, the bbl still rates strongly whilst the A league has dipped to a point where it’s almost on par with the nbl.

They could really do with a renegades v stars semi final or final though.

 

[Rob]

The trouble with a small crowd like that at Docklands is the crap atmosphere (rather like the NRL matches at ANZ stadium in Sydney) and for a purely "sports entertainment" product hat the BBL is its a disaster that no amount of marketing BS can fix!Even he matches at the SCG are now pulling poor crowds.

I think the BBL is in the same trouble as the A League and CA will have to be very careful as to how they run this comp into the future or they will lose it.

The BBL and the A-League are on completely different levels, but you're right in that they are facing similar problems. Hopefully it's a wake up call for CA because they've clearly taken the comp for granted this year - it's the worst standard i've seen it and they have no issue ripping players out of meaningless ODIs. They got a kick ass TV deal yet the salary cap is just $1.6 million per team and only 2 internationals allowed. That's taking the piss. Make it $5 million per team and 4 internationals and you'll get the world's best showing up, as opposed to a lot of grade cricketers getting a game. You need to pay the best 3 or 4 players a minimum of $500k each.

 

[The_Wookie]

quite the crowded sporting weekend.

 

[Kwality]

Not to mention the Bathurst 12 hour, on 7mate locally & telecast/streamed to NZ, Asia, Nth America & Europe.
https://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/

 

[Kwality]

The BBL and the A-League are on completely different levels, but you're right in that they are facing similar problems. Hopefully it's a wake up call for CA because they've clearly taken the comp for granted this year - it's the worst standard i've seen it and they have no issue ripping players out of meaningless ODIs. They got a kick ass TV deal yet the salary cap is just $1.6 million per team and only 2 internationals allowed. That's taking the piss. Make it $5 million per team and 4 internationals and you'll get the world's best showing up, as opposed to a lot of grade cricketers getting a game. You need to pay the best 3 or 4 players a minimum of $500k each.

I heard AB De Villiers was offered $150k to play BBL, $450k in Bangladesh - not surprising we didnt see him.
https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/ab-smashes-50-ball-ton-in-bangladesh-t20-20190129

The BBL management team need 'a good look at themselves' as does the television coverage.

 

[Our Game]

As they say you pay peanuts and you get monkeys!and the BBL is paying peanuts ATM.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Anyone who flicked over to the soccer last night would realise how bloody well GWS are actually doing in a hostile market. There would’ve been lucky to be 3,000 ppl at the WSW game, in a sport with probably 10 times the support football has in that area. The AFL and GWS cop a lot of flack but they have done bloody well to engage with the litttle support football does have in that area.

 

[Gigantor]

Anyone who flicked over to the soccer last night would realise how bloody well GWS are actually doing in a hostile market. There would’ve been lucky to be 3,000 ppl at the WSW game, in a sport with probably 10 times the support football has in that area. The AFL and GWS cop a lot of flack but they have done bloody well to engage with the litttle support football does have in that area.

True.

And I was just flicking between the womens AFL game at Geelong and the mens A-League game at Gosford just then, I'm guessing the Geelong game has about three times the spectators of the Gosford game.

 

[TigerTime_89]

Does the AFLW belong in here or the AFL thread.

 

[Our Game]

True.

And I was just flicking between the womens AFL game at Geelong and the mens A-League game at Gosford just then, I'm guessing the Geelong game has about three times the spectators of the Gosford game.

18,500 at Geelong!Looks like a half decent crowd at the BBL at the SCG.

 

[Gizmo]

Looks like a half decent crowd at the BBL at the SCG.

34,385 @ the SCG

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Well I take my hat off to Gallop, he absolutely took Fox to the cleaners with the last T.V rights.