TAS Tassie... happening?

[Kappa]

For me it’s simple

Give tassie a side. Then either of Canberra, Darwin or joondalup.

20 sides. 10 games a week.

Can fixture 20 round season - 1 game against each side on rotation plus derby/showdown/q clash/beat up on the giants etc...OR 10-team conferences (which would allow 22 rounds still with 3 crossover games)

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20 rounds of Footy in a 52 week year... Why so little? Who would want less Footy?

 

[dylan93]

I look forward to when they finally have one, should've been given one in the late 80s/90s/10's, but stiffed on all occasions. Currently I wouldn't say there is enough talent to justify 20 teams let alone the current 18. But I can see a team coming in by 2030 or if/when GC fails.

Would prefer not to see a 3rd WA or SA team, as much as it's financially improbable I'd love an NT side or failing that a side that represents NT and ACT.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I look forward to when they finally have one, should've been given one in the late 80s/90s/10's, but stiffed on all occasions. Currently I wouldn't say there is enough talent to justify 20 teams let alone the current 18. But I can see a team coming in by 2030 or if/when GC fails.

Would prefer not to see a 3rd WA or SA team, as much as it's financially improbable I'd love an NT side or failing that a side that represents NT and ACT.

The problem with an NT side is it must play a lot of games in Darwin and travelling teams would face a mountain in terms of climate. Even In the dry season the coastal fringe remains hit and humid in southern terms.
Likewise the NT team travelling would face big changes as well.
You do adjust to the climate, no problem for players drafted etc. It does take time though.

I think you'd end up with a team that was unbeatable at home and weak away.

 

[caloschwaby]

Yeah... and it’s not going to happen. No way the AFL are getting rid of the GC (do some research, they’ve made huge amounts of progress of the field) and Tasmania would never embrace an old Vic club. So it’s either a new club or nothing, no alternative scenario.

Re-read my original post, a new club is the most likely scenario.

 

[Matchu]

The succession plan to Hawthorn's Launceston contract, which expires in 2021, will be the most telling factor of the AFL's intentions for Tasmanian footy. If they try to convince North to assume the Launceston contract, then they want the Kangaroos there full time. If they schedule other AFL teams to play in Launceston, then they are probably open to establishing a new team in the Apple Isle. If Hawthorn continues to play games in Launceston, then they aren't interested in basing an AFL team in Tasmania any time soon. Just my opinion btw.

 

[deltablues]

the big issue would be player retention and getting the players to move to Tasmania who arent local

So you're saying a 20-something offered a few hundred thousand to be based in Tas for a few years will turn it down to go back to some bush league paying beer money.

OK.

 

[SunGirl89]

Don't you rage against conferences in the AFLW? How can you be against that, yet in favour of an idea as horrendous as this.

I don't have an issue with conferences in the AFLW.
- I do have an issue with conferences being unnecessarily used in 2019 for a 7-round season
- I do have an issue with the utter incompetence that went into the allocation of teams into the conferences
- I do have an issue with the finals system this year, one which saw the lowest ever score in an AFLW match

You say that a division (ie. relegation) system in the AFL would be horrendous. Yeah, perhaps, but I think the AFL will go to conferences once we get to 20-24 teams.

 

[Milang_Panthers]

You think I want my team playing 4 games a year in that Launceston shithole?

It f**kin sucks.

We are wasting our time playing home matches there.

I'll be happy to see the Hawks go back to playing 16 games a year in Melbourne. But the people on here who are excited about the prospect of a Tasmanian team need to think things through and realise it will be one less game their own team plays in Melbourne at the MCG, and just another crappy non-event of a franchise taking all the early draft picks and stinking up the comp. They'll never compete with Collingwood, Geelong, Adelaide, West Coast, etc... So why bother bringing them in?

Eagles and Dockers fans already piss and moan about playing Hawthorn every second year in Tassie. A stand alone Tassie team aint going to make things better in that regard.

As for player signings, it will be mostly one-way traffic like we've seen with the Gold Coast. Their draftees will be out of there the first chance they get. And I can't see them beating other clubs for the signature of any superstar free agents.

Another mediocre franchise, another team for the couch potatoes to watch and one less game for each club here in Melbourne

Great

I dont think the Eagles and Dockers a problem with playing in Tassie they just have a problem with playing a Melbourne club in Tassie which is fair enough.

 

[Starburns_]

I don't have an issue with conferences in the AFLW.
- I do have an issue with conferences being unnecessarily used in 2019 for a 7-round season
- I do have an issue with the utter incompetence that went into the allocation of teams into the conferences
- I do have an issue with the finals system this year, one which saw the lowest ever score in an AFLW match

You say that a division (ie. relegation) system in the AFL would be horrendous. Yeah, perhaps, but I think the AFL will go to conferences once we get to 20-24 teams.

The AFL won't go to conferences until the amount of teams surpasses the amount of rounds (24+), that's probably further away than the Grand Final deal expiring.

 

[SunGirl89]

The AFL won't go to conferences until the amount of teams surpasses the amount of rounds (24+), that's probably further away than the Grand Final deal expiring.

I'd support less than 22 games, which only came about in 1970. I wouldn't be surprised if within 20 years teams play less than 22 games.

Hasn't hurt the #1 attended league in the world, the NFL.

 

[Nugett]

I don't have an issue with conferences in the AFLW.
- I do have an issue with conferences being unnecessarily used in 2019 for a 7-round season
- I do have an issue with the utter incompetence that went into the allocation of teams into the conferences
- I do have an issue with the finals system this year, one which saw the lowest ever score in an AFLW match

You say that a division (ie. relegation) system in the AFL would be horrendous. Yeah, perhaps, but I think the AFL will go to conferences once we get to 20-24 teams.

You don’t think the afl will abolish double ups, while every team plays each other once?

 

[eastfreo75]

I know there's plenty of threads elsewhere but this is starting to sound serious. And Caro certainly has a direct line to Gil.

"No longer if but when"

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...for-a-tasmanian-afl-team-20190322-p516mb.html

Key:

- The Tasmanian government is rallying a powerful group of corporate and sporting heavyweights charged to transition Hawthorn and North Melbourne out of the island state and to establish its own AFL club by 2026.

- The AFL is privately endorsing the project, which is being driven by Tasmanian Treasurer Peter Gutwein.

- League chief Gillon McLachlan has emerged as a cautious advocate for a historic Tasmanian AFL licence, unofficially advising Premier Will Hodgman as his government puts together the charter for the project group with a view to gaining entry into the national competition by 2026.

- The AFL advice is that the state would require at least 50,000 members and an initial commitment of $40 million to enter the league.

- Tasmania boasts 91,000 members across the 18 AFL clubs and contributes an estimated combined $10 million to the Hawks and the Kangaroos.

- Framework for 2026 almost finalised:

/ 50,000 members
/ A capital commitment of $40 million
/ A unified Tasmanian football community
/ AFL-standard venues
/ Increasing the Australian rules talent pool from junior ranks through to double-figure representation in the AFL
/ Designing a "respectful" exit strategy for Hawthorn and North Melbourne

It won't happen tomorrow, but sounds like this is very much on.

I would have thought 40 Tassie players on a list should be the target.

 

[Engimal v3]

Of course they probably are 1 or 3 game memberships. But if you are a Hawks or North fan in Tassie why the hell would you fork out for a full membership when they only play a few games down there?
If there are suddenly 11 home games in your city and a local team you can get behind, I'm sure a huge amount of those current 3 game memberships would turn into full ones.

Spot on. I used to only buy the minimum, $50 membership when I lived in Tas. Why pay for games I can't see?

Also, we need to stop with the 'relocating North Melbourne' hogwash.
1. It seems to always be coming from fans of the big clubs who would scoff at the thought of their own club being moved. North fans aren't any less passionate than you are so it ends verging on being disrespectful.
2. Quickest way to make a Tassie team an instant failure is to give them an existing team with a history that isn't their own. No one is getting behind that that aren't already North supporters. You're probably losing supporters from all the disgruntled fans in Melbourne who won't follow the move.

Also spot on. I've said this a million times, but if North couldn't be relocated 10 years ago to the Gold Coast, they're sure as hell not relocating now.

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

Spot on. I used to only buy the minimum, $50 membership when I lived in Tas. Why pay for games I can't see?



Also spot on. I've said this a million times, but if North couldn't be relocated 10 years ago to the Gold Coast, they're sure as hell not relocating now.

Imagine the shambles North would be in now if they'd taken that deal.

 

[Engimal v3]

Imagine the shambles North would be in now if they'd taken that deal.

And to think it was offered to "save" us!

 

[Carringbush2010]

That will change. They can't just play each other every week. Why would the AFL schedule Haw v Coll or NM v Ess in tassie? The whole purpose of us playing in Tassie is to make some coin from our low-drawing games va Freo/Port/Bris etc... But with a Tassie stand-alone team, the Pies and Bombers will have to play their share of away games there. And even if they don't, they'll still have a crappy non-event home fixture vs Tassie

Another non-Victorian team in the comp will mean one extra travel fixture each year for Vic clubs and one less chance to double up with blockbuster/rivalry/derby games vs other Victorian clubs. Simple mathematics.

The Swans will play one less game at the MCG every second year. Instead of playing say.. Hawthorn at the G in front of 45-50,000, they'll be freezing their arses off in Hobart in front of 15,000. Enjoy that. And every other year, when Sydney plays a home game vs the Tassie Hillbillies, instead of playing in front of a packed SCG with 5,000 Hawks fans making the trip, you'll have 3 men and a dog making the trip. It'll be just like those shit home games you play vs Freo with your stadium half-filled. Enjoy that.

Actually I don't think this will happen - not immediately anyway, replace haw and nm with tas team, tas team will play low drawing and interstate teams in tas and high drawing teams at high drawing team's home ground.

For example they'd play dogs, saints, nm down there as well as the interstate teams. for HQ it's all about $$ remember, that's why high drawing teams don't play there now.

Of course there is the opposite season where tas will have to play said team away as opposed to home in tas. So yeah you might be right just not from the get go.

 

[Pessimistic]

Actually I don't think this will happen - not immediately anyway, replace haw and nm with tas team, tas team will play low drawing and interstate teams in tas and high drawing teams at high drawing team's home ground.

For example they'd play dogs, saints, nm down there as well as the interstate teams. for HQ it's all about $$ remember, that's why high drawing teams don't play there now.

Of course there is the opposite season where tas will have to play said team away as opposed to home in tas. So yeah you might be right just not from the get go.

All teams will be interstate to a tassie team. Anyway if they don’t play all teams at home, they might as well keep hawks and north, there’d be no point

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It’s early days but Tassie are proving competitive so far in the NAB League, an interesting measure of purely homegrown talent.



Things are slowly building down there.

Broadcasters clearly dead keen on Thurs night footy, opening up a slot for a tenth game...

 

[RUNVS]

Unfortunately a lot of the Victorian teams are missing their best players. Every Academy side won this weekend, or at least I think they did.

 

[TheWeapon]

Just hard to see how it would financially viable currently - all of melb/syd/adel/perth/brisbane have 2+ million people living in the capital cities, hobart is about 200K. Plus their stadium is 20K max capacity, and not a huge amount of talent being picked in the draft. I think they may need to start with a VFL team first

 

[Bomberboyokay]

I'd support less than 22 games, which only came about in 1970. I wouldn't be surprised if within 20 years teams play less than 22 games.

Hasn't hurt the #1 attended league in the world, the NFL.

Every NFL team represents 1-4 Victorias.

 

[Anja_Nees]

If AFLs long term plan is 20 teams the Tasmanian team will be an addition.

If they want an 18 team comp GC is the likely chopping block. GC is not meeting expectations on and off the field. The recent poor form of GC and they are also looking at a few more years of hardship will be hard to overcome.
2026 is the target year so it would need to be decided by 2024 what the make up of the comp would be so it is not that far away.

Think the 91K members currently based in tasmania is amazing. Very parochial state and I feel there would be no trouble converting 50K of them the local team.

If 20 teams is the goal the big question is where the other one comes from.

By now most Western Australians and South Australians have nailed their colours to the mast, no chance in Melbourne and NSW and Qld wouldn’t support it.

So...ACT? NT?

TWO TASSIE TEAMS!!!!!

 

[The_Reaper]

If 20 teams is the goal the big question is where the other one comes from.

By now most Western Australians and South Australians have nailed their colours to the mast, no chance in Melbourne and NSW and Qld wouldn’t support it.

So...ACT? NT?

TWO TASSIE TEAMS!!!!!

Tassie and Act with a match every week in Sydney
Seems fairly obvious

 

[Anja_Nees]

Tassie and Act with a match every week in Sydney
Seems fairly obvious

Would be thrilled for both if that happened.

That said, build it and they will come. Launnie and Hobart. Stat.

 

[telsor]

If 20 teams is the goal the big question is where the other one comes from.

By now most Western Australians and South Australians have nailed their colours to the mast, no chance in Melbourne and NSW and Qld wouldn’t support it.

So...ACT? NT?

TWO TASSIE TEAMS!!!!!

It's inevitable...

After all, as soon as they get one team because of the "It's not Australian unless all states have a team, who cares if they can't afford it" argument, then it'll inevitably be a "all other states have 2 teams" sookfest so they can divide into northern and southern teams.