Analysis Pies tame the Tigers by 44 pts - Rd 2, 2019

[Black_White]

Grown a little as well

The Gym is a wonderful invention.

 

[left at home]

The girl?

Or the bag?

She seems nice.

She is a lovely young woman. Very pleasant to talk to

 

[jmac70]

Haha glad they got the win. Still thought it was 3/4 qtrs of so so football and overuse of the ball. Richmond bombed at least 7 shots at goal from turnovers which a more classy side may have made us pay for. Richmond do have about 5 or 6 jarrod Blair types running around. Hardly the quality or depth of mids we have. Was anyone seriously expecting anything less than a 7 goal win? Great 4th qtr though.

I don’t like the gamestyle. I don’t like the coaches philosophy at all. Still give up red time goals consistently. And until that changes, this “take unnecessary risks at all costs” mentality, will continue to be the achilles heal in close games where teams lock us down.

You can yap at me all ya like, end of the day if we ain’t holding the cup at the end of the year, with this playing group, responsibility lies with the coach. He’s already bombed the unlosable GF in 2018 with a nonexistent ability to drill the playing group to stop red time goals. 29 points up in the first qtr and they conceded goals in red time each and every qtr. They leaked red time goals vs Cats and again last night.

Now with Beams added to the 2019 playing group, honestly, anything less than a minor premiership (18-4) and winning the GF by 10 goals is basically under achieving. This playing group is basically Geelong of 2007.

Pure domination of the league in 2019 is the only acceptable outcome to me. Otherwise it’s a “weeeelll it’s a stacked list he’s got to work with, more player talent than actual game plan and strategy that eeked out a 16 point win in the GF”. I mean, seriously, could you imagine what Clarkson could do with this list? Your taking about an undefeated season...

FFS mods, can this guy. He’s a troll.

 

[TradeDraft]

The girl?

Or the bag?

She seems nice.

The Richmond Bag. I had my Pies hat on and he said he had a very long night last night.

Also asked IF I was from Melbourne

 

[DuckToaster]

Fantastic to see our captain moving more freely. Wound back the clock a couple of years now that his 'niggle' has been laid to rest.

 

[swoop42]

If I was to raise one slight concern about last night it would be that despite dominating possession and dictating the manner in which the game was played for large periods Richmond were still in touch early into the last quarter.

You feel we ultimately didn't get the best value for all our effort across the first 3 quarters and it could have proved costly on another night.

Why did this happen?

I guess you have to give credit to Richmond who were tenacious in the face of the overwhelming discrepancy in numbers, the injury to Riewoldt and absence of Rance, Caddy and Houli.

I guess we shot ourselves in the foot giving up 3 red time goals in the 2nd quarter while we found new and unusual ways to ruin a goal scoring opportunity with that last play inside f50. We hit the post a few times also.

We were good but far from perfect.

I'm more interested though in exploring the style we chose to play the game in which was noticeably different to almost all of our matches last season and importantly was a change from our victory over Richmond in the Preliminary final.

If you believe the coach we wanted to implement this style last week.

If so we did a poor job of it.

So is this possession game our new style for 2019 which must be said resembled Hawthorn or will it only be rolled out for certain opponents?

It was a ballsy move implementing a game plan that was different to what successfully worked last time against Richmond but and this might be a controversial view, given the way the Tigers hung around we might not have beaten them this time around if we had of mimicked the Preliminary final processes.

They were ready for that.

They weren't prepared for what they got.

Nice work Mr. Buckley.

 

[nahnah]

Fantastic to see our captain moving more freely. Wound back the clock a couple of years now that his 'niggle' has been laid to rest.

I love that last one, he just ran a straight line through 3 of them them. Grundy did a similar one in the last I think, it looked like the Tigers were pushing the ball their way (as usual) then Brody just comes charging through as if to say 'out of the way soft ***** big boy's coming through'

 

[PicaBoo]

I love that last one, he just ran a straight line through 3 of them them. Grundy did a similar one in the last I think, it looked like the Tigers were pushing the ball their way (as usual) then Brody just comes charging through as if to say 'out of the way soft ***** big boy's coming through'

We had a few passages of play like this one where we pinballed our way out of congestion. Similar to soccer "one touch only" concept, tap/slap it immediately through to the next player.

 

[regpies]

Well have just watched the first half (going to savour the second half) and was watching Varcoe carefully in light of some of the comments. Not only is his running and tackle valuable, but also the little blocks and nudges he makes. I think when we judge a player, need to also take into account what if anything his opponent has done. He seemed to be everywhere in the first quarter and I still don't know who he was against.

He was picking up their loose players all the time.

One thing I watched at the game, he is very good at marshaling players, shows real leadership

I don't think he will be the first to go when WHE, Adams and Sier are available.

He absolutely stays in the team. Anyone who critises Varcoe doesn’t know much about footy. The amount of 1% type plays he does are so important for us. His stat number don’t often look great, if there was a stat line for smart play and crucial moments he’d be right up there.

 

[regpies]

Tigers supporters blaming the free kick count

April 2018 27 to 16 in our favour - they won by 43 points.

July 2018 19 to 16 in our favour - they won by 28 points

Sep 2018 18 to 15 in our favour - they lost by 39 points

Last night 25 to 9 in our favour - they lost by 44 points

To be fair, in September they had gastro and last night they had injuries.

The free kick count blew out in our favour in the second half when the game was pretty much won.

They had some pretty handy calls go their way in the 1st half which actually kept them in the game longer than they should’ve been.

 

[jase038]

If we stay injury free and get scharenberg back we’ve literally won the flag


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[jase038]

He absolutely stays in the team. Anyone who critises Varcoe doesn’t know much about footy. The amount of 1% type plays he does are so important for us. His stat number don’t often look great, if there was a stat line for smart play and crucial moments he’d be right up there.

Exactly right, Richmond won a flag off a system based game style, how many touches do castagna, butler and Rioli get. There role is purely pressure

Varcoe is so critical to our system, he sacrifices his entire game to literally chase over and over, every good team needs role players otherwise when you don’t you end up with a team of downhill skiers, players who only wanna run one way.

Varcoe won’t get dropped he creates goals and turnovers multiple times a game which won’t ever show up on a stat sheet




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[Swooper18]

Collingwood have won their first game of the 2019 season against Richmond in a contest that ebbed and flowed for three quarters, before the Magpies came home with a wet sail in the final term to signify their level of ascendancy, control and dominance that culminated against the Tigers. Collingwood were able to score regular goals from their forward entries to keep the lead before extending their advantage when it mattered most. Very emphatic execution and response to the defeat against Geelong in the opening round. The statistics were monopolised by the Woods who got the wood over Richmond in key areas and facets of the contest. Playing a high-possession game proved effective with an uncontested style of play allowing more marks to be taken, more time to find targets, and more space for the forwards to move towards the footy to take marks inside 50, which subsequently allowed more shots at goal to be conjured.

The differentials Collingwood got in their favour were disposals by +164 (467 - 303), +107 for kicks (291 - 184), +57 for handballs (176 - 119), and marks by +96 (174 - 78). That’s just the beginning of an extensive list of advantages the Magpies got for the game. More gains were had in tackles by +27 (60 - 33), +23 for contested possessions (133 - 110), a whopping differential of +154 in uncontested possessions (340 - 186), +89 for uncontested marks (159 - 70), +7 in Contested Marks (15 - 8), +9 for intercept marks (70 - 61) and +8 for Marks Inside 50 (19 - 11). Clearances were +2 (32 - 30), centre clearances were +2 (15 - 13), hit-outs were won by +9 (33 - 24), Inside 50’s by +19 (64 - 45) and Tackles Inside 50 by +7 (13 - 6). Stoppage clearances were even (17 each).

Adam Treloar (39 disposals @ 82%, 196 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 27 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 6 marks, 7 tackles, 5 score involvements, 6 Inside 50’s, 5 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 1 goal) was very good when the ball was in transition. Dayne Beams (36 disposals @ 81%, 261 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 27 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 9 marks, 3 tackles, 7 score involvements, 7 Inside 50’s, 2 Rebound 50’s, 5 clearances, 3 centre clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) was a ball magnet in the first term with 13 possessions. Stayed involved in the second half to finish strongly. Chris Mayne (33 disposals @ 91%, 253 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 28 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 11 marks, 2 tackles, 8 score involvements, 4 Rebound 50’s & 1 goal) had a very fine game on the wing, and was very neat and tidy with his ball use. Scott Pendlebury (31 disposals @ 84%, 536 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 11 score involvements, 8 Inside 50’s, 6 clearances, 5 centre clearances & 1 goal) had an imposing game by leading from the front with his actions.
Tom Phillips (25 disposals @ 84%, 417 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 2 goal assists, 8 score involvements, 4 Inside 50’s & 1 goal) provided himself as a marking option for his teammates at all times. Brodie Grundy (23 disposals @ 91%, 149 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 28 hit-outs, 3 intercept possessions, 7 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50’s, 2 Rebound 50’s, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances & 4 stoppage clearances) had a much better game after starting the 2019 season poorly. Steele Sidebottom (21 disposals @ 81%, 286 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 12 marks, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 5 Inside 50’s, 2 clearances & 2 centre clearances) accumulated plenty of marks as a link-up player and Levi Greenwood (20 disposals @ 85%, 252 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 3 score involvements, 4 Inside 50’s & 2 clearances) played his role well in his first AFL game of the season.

Jack Crisp (32 disposals @ 78%, 532 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 23 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 14 marks, 3 tackles, 8 score involvements, 3 Inside 50’s & 4 Rebound 50’s) was Collingwood’s prime mover moving from defence as a high half-back flanker. James Aish (23 disposals @ 65%, 219 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 8 marks, 3 tackles, 8 score involvements, 3 Inside 50’s & 3 Rebound 50’s) had a solid game with periods spent on a wing. Jordan Roughead (20 disposals @ 95%, 189 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50’s) was a reliable outlet aerially and kept his ball use simple. Tom Langdon (19 disposals @ 79%, 258 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 9 marks, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50’s & 3 Rebound 50’s) contributed, as did Jeremy Howe (19 disposals @ 84%, 335 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 14 marks, 6 score involvements & 5 Rebound 50’s), who performed in a dependable manner whenever he needed to take marks as the interceptor. Brayden Maynard (17 disposals @ 76%, 263 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 4 marks, 7 tackles, 6 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50’s) had a solid game and Darcy Moore (15 disposals @ 93%, 132 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements & 2 Rebound 50’s) was a rock in defence, and will be very pleased to start stringing games together.

Jordan De Goey (15 disposals @ 60%, 241 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 6 marks, 5 Marks Inside 50, 9 score involvements & 5 goals) had a commanding game in leading the Woods to an impressive victory. Brody Mihocek (20 disposals @ 70%, 427 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 marks, 5 Contested Marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 9 score involvements, 10 Inside 50’s & 2 goals) was a very good conduit for the side with his leads, positioning and body work. Jaidyn Stephenson (17 disposals @ 88%, 210 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 9 marks, 3 goal assists, 10 score involvements & 2 goals) had a very good second half. He’s my main man now too. Mason Cox (11 disposals @ 64%, 199 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 hit-outs, 7 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 8 score involvements & 2 goals) competed very well and impacted the scoreboard. Josh Thomas (16 disposals @ 69%, 242 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 7 score involvements, 3 Inside 50’s & 1 goal) played well, and Jamie Elliott (10 disposals @ 80%, 169 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 3 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 goal assists, 9 score involvements & 1 goal) was considerably quiet, but nearly all of his possessions resulted in scores. Keep that up Billy!

Collingwood’s next game will be against the reigning premiers West Coast on April 6 at the MCG. Time to make a statement against the Eagles so that belief and confidence in contending for a premiership is enhanced.

 

[Vicky Park]

Fantastic to see our captain moving more freely. Wound back the clock a couple of years now that his 'niggle' has been laid to rest.

Thanks DT, lovely to have these back.

Pendles still has 'it'. His ability to find a wormhole in the field of play, is still there. Saw glimpses on Friday night.

 

[jimmy35]

If I was to raise one slight concern about last night it would be that despite dominating possession and dictating the manner in which the game was played for large periods Richmond were still in touch early into the last quarter.

You feel we ultimately didn't get the best value for all our effort across the first 3 quarters and it could have proved costly on another night.

Why did this happen?

I guess you have to give credit to Richmond who were tenacious in the face of the overwhelming discrepancy in numbers, the injury to Riewoldt and absence of Rance, Caddy and Houli.

I guess we shot ourselves in the foot giving up 3 red time goals in the 2nd quarter while we found new and unusual ways to ruin a goal scoring opportunity with that last play inside f50. We hit the post a few times also.

We were good but far from perfect.

I'm more interested though in exploring the style we chose to play the game in which was noticeably different to almost all of our matches last season and importantly was a change from our victory over Richmond in the Preliminary final.

If you believe the coach we wanted to implement this style last week.

If so we did a poor job of it.

So is this possession game our new style for 2019 which must be said resembled Hawthorn or will it only be rolled out for certain opponents?

It was a ballsy move implementing a game plan that was different to what successfully worked last time against Richmond but and this might be a controversial view, given the way the Tigers hung around we might not have beaten them this time around if we had of mimicked the Preliminary final processes.

They were ready for that.

They weren't prepared for what they got.

Nice work Mr. Buckley.

Was also thinking about this, and to a lesser extent is was like that against the Cats early, I’m thinking they are slowly building the style and plan of their game and it will be a work in progress for weeks yet until all components click together. You can see it coming I reckon.

 

[jmac70]

If we stay injury free and get scharenberg back we’ve literally won the flag


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If only this were true.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This win is up there with Pagamages's win in the 3rd at Calder in the Foster's Lavazza Black Coffee Cup.. led from start to finish re.. one of the greats.

 

[MoreMoore]

I saw that yesterday...…...the best part is they said Prestia is their third best mid.......lol

Prestia should have been in the bests for the Pies last night....hahahahaha.

Prestia is a poor mans Blair

 

[Apex36]

Just reading the Tigs autopsy thread, many of them have given up on the season already because of Rance and Reiwoldt.

I have a feeling that Lynch’s decision will be one he regrets for the rest of his life. He went to the Tugs chasing a flag and instead he’ll end up watching the team he grew up loving, who actually wanted him, get one instead. It may not be this year, but I’m confident that we can be right up there for the long term with this group and push for 1-2 over the next 5 years.

 

[Vankri]

Just reading the Tigs autopsy thread, many of them have given up on the season already because of Rance and Reiwoldt.

I have a feeling that Lynch’s decision will be one he regrets for the rest of his life. He went to the Tugs chasing a flag and instead he’ll end up watching the team he grew up loving, who actually wanted him, get one instead. It may not be this year, but I’m confident that we can be right up there for the long term with this group and push for 1-2 over the next 5 years.

I suspect his decision came down to money offered between Pies and Tigers (and Hawks). Hence the whole reshuffling of the top 4 salaries in Richmond to offer him something he wouldn’t refuse.

What you say may happen but if he simply wanted to set himself up financially for life it’s possible we were nowhere near it.

Maybe one day he’ll realise money isn’t everything and it would have been a lot more fun to try and win a flag for the team his family are mad about but we don’t know what motivates him in life or anything about his personality so he may regret nothing (and may still win a flag).

 

[caloschwaby]

Fantastic to see our captain moving more freely. Wound back the clock a couple of years now that his 'niggle' has been laid to rest.

Still the classiest ball-carrier in the league.

 

[regpies]

I suspect his decision came down to money offered between Pies and Tigers (and Hawks). Hence the whole reshuffling of the top 4 salaries in Richmond to offer him something he wouldn’t refuse.

What you say may happen but if he simply wanted to set himself up financially for life it’s possible we were nowhere near it.

Maybe one day he’ll realise money isn’t everything and it would have been a lot more fun to try and win a flag for the team his family are mad about but we don’t know what motivates him in life or anything about his personality so he may regret nothing (and may still win a flag).

I think he probably made up his mind and committed to Richmond before the start of last year. He was sick of losing and wanted to go to Melb. Richmond had just won the flag and we weren’t looking like a top 4 team. By the time we started to look like a good option it was too late.

Plus we were hamstrung cash wise by Gubbys stupidity with Wells and Mayne contracts and unexpected upgrade of De Goey’s contract because of North. We would likely have budgeted about 500k for De Goey, instead we had to pay 800. Having that 300k might have helped sway Lynch at the last minute.

 

[nahnah]

I suspect his decision came down to money offered between Pies and Tigers (and Hawks). Hence the whole reshuffling of the top 4 salaries in Richmond to offer him something he wouldn’t refuse.

What you say may happen but if he simply wanted to set himself up financially for life it’s possible we were nowhere near it.

Maybe one day he’ll realise money isn’t everything and it would have been a lot more fun to try and win a flag for the team his family are mad about but we don’t know what motivates him in life or anything about his personality so he may regret nothing (and may still win a flag).

If he wins a flag at Richmond it’ll most likely be with a different core of player that he signed up with

Rance is 30 and coming off a knee
Reiwoldt turns 31 this year
Edwards turns 31 this year
Houli turns 31 this year
Cotchin is 29 and looks like his best is behind him
Dusty is still only 28 but looks like he’s lost motivation

 

[Apex36]

I suspect his decision came down to money offered between Pies and Tigers (and Hawks). Hence the whole reshuffling of the top 4 salaries in Richmond to offer him something he wouldn’t refuse.

What you say may happen but if he simply wanted to set himself up financially for life it’s possible we were nowhere near it.

Maybe one day he’ll realise money isn’t everything and it would have been a lot more fun to try and win a flag for the team his family are mad about but we don’t know what motivates him in life or anything about his personality so he may regret nothing (and may still win a flag).

If he wanted to be financially set up for life, Collingwood could easily have done that, one way or another.

 

[Apex36]

I think he probably made up his mind and committed to Richmond before the start of last year. He was sick of losing and wanted to go to Melb. Richmond had just won the flag and we weren’t looking like a top 4 team. By the time we started to look like a good option it was too late.

Plus we were hamstrung cash wise by Gubbys stupidity with Wells and Mayne contracts and unexpected upgrade of De Goey’s contract because of North. We would likely have budgeted about 500k for De Goey, instead we had to pay 800. Having that 300k might have helped sway Lynch at the last minute.

I think we still could have afforded him, but we would have ended up losing one of Moore or Langdon. Judging by their form so far this year I’d say things ended up working in our favour.