Autopsy Hawks fall in a heap against the Dogs - Rd 2, 2019

[beta_condition]

That's wrong. It applies to players other than the ruckmen....

11.3.5 "No other Player may enter the 10-metre circle until the football touches the ground, in the act of bouncing, or leaves the hand when throwing up."

No that rule can only come into affect if the umpire is bouncing the ball, which wasn't the case so no it doesnt apply.

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

Yeah 100% having a dig. Jaeger doesn’t give that free kick and 50 away and we win the game. We had a shot at goal but end result was they scored. I get these things happen but the dogs players were having an absolute laugh at how undisciplined and easily baited some of our players are.
Jaeger is a great player and his effort is absolutely unquestionable.. I’m not gonna come and post in a thread to reiterate the 100 things that have already been echoed by other people. Stop being a sheep and open your eyes

Stop being a sheep? Sounds like your the one drinking the AFL kool-aid, accepting that a little push in the chest now is worthy of a free kick (on this one occasion but not the other 500 times it went on this round).
Next the AFL (caretakers of the game not dictators) will want to introduce a round ball and it sounds like you would happily accept that, out of fear of being seen a sheep no doubt.

 

[burnside5]

Yeah 100% having a dig. Jaeger doesn’t give that free kick and 50 away and we win the game. We had a shot at goal but end result was they scored. I get these things happen but the dogs players were having an absolute laugh at how undisciplined and easily baited some of our players are.
Jaeger is a great player and his effort is absolutely unquestionable.. I’m not gonna come and post in a thread to reiterate the 100 things that have already been echoed by other people. Stop being a sheep and open your eyes

Do you honestly think that O'Meara's little pushes with and open hand to the opponent was deemed necessary to reverse the free kick...?

 

[extractasam]

Stop being a sheep? Sounds like your the one drinking the AFL kool-aid, accepting that a little push in the chest now is worthy of a free kick (on this one occasion but not the other 500 times it went on this round).
Next the AFL (caretakers of the game not dictators) will want to introduce a round ball and it sounds like you would happily accept that, out of fear of being seen a sheep no doubt.

Can you read mate, I said up top it’s pissy in my first post. It’s piss weak what’s being paid and the Mason Cox report tops it off...
A bit of push and shove is all good in my eyes but far out can’t you see what I’m trying to say..these have been getting paid flat out the first 2 weeks, just pull your head in for your teams sake maybe? Or still can’t see what I’m trying to say

 

[extractasam]

Do you honestly think that O'Meara's little pushes with and open hand to the opponent was deemed necessary to reverse the free kick...?

No definitely not. But going off the standard set by the umps round 1, doesn’t surprise me in the slightest when they pay it

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

Can you read mate, I said up top it’s pissy in my first post. It’s piss weak what’s being paid and the Mason Cox report tops it off...
A bit of push and shove is all good in my eyes but far out can’t you see what I’m trying to say..these have been getting paid flat out the first 2 weeks, just pull your head in for your teams sake maybe? Or still can’t see what I’m trying to say

Flat out? No they haven’t. Yeah I see your frustration but it’s hard to be mad at Omeara, that was the softest push to the chest that had ever been paid up to that point in the game of AFL football so it’s not right to be mad at him. Umpires/ AFL moving goal posts at the very end of round 2. What other professional league in the world does that happen? It doesn’t happen anywhere but this amateur hour league.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Don’t really get the blame the umps stuff. They’ve been paying the pissy pushes to the chest since round 1 it’s been talk of the town.. yeah sure it’s a weak free kick but some blokes need to put their ego away for 5 seconds and just hold back.

Feel like Jaeger is honestly getting off pretty easy for his effort Sunday. Constantly threw it mindlessly on the boot out of packs (we scored 1 behind from stoppages all day and 99% of our scores came from turnovers). Then to give that free kick away when we had a chance to go up by 36... seriously, chuck the pipes away for 2 seconds mate.

I also don't think the umpiring influenced the result, bulldogs got the win they earned. But nonetheless the umpiring really spoiled the game for me and others. It should have been an entertaining last 5 minutes, and instead the umpires saw fit to pay two of the all-time petty free-kicks within the space of 2 minutes which killed the contest. It was poor umpiring, and even they would agree privately. That's okay by me, I don't believe in conspiracies and I certainly think we've been on the other side before. Tl;dr I agree it doesn't matter for HFC, but I think it does matter for fans and for the game.

I also don't agree with you on Jaeger, he had a crack for 4 quarters and I don't think it was foreseeable that the umpire would randomly choose to pay that free kick when it was probably the hundredth such incident for the day.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[extractasam]

Flat out? No they haven’t. Yeah I see your frustration but it’s hard to be mad at Omeara, that was the softest push to the chest that had ever been paid up to that point in the game of AFL football so it’s not right to be mad at him. Umpires/ AFL moving goal posts at the very end of round 2. What other professional league in the world does that happen? It doesn’t happen anywhere but this amateur hour league.

There’s so many examples though and the Scott Lycett one is probably the worst of the whole round. If you haven’t seen it do yourself a favour. Just felt we were more undisciplined than needed.. the bulldogs had no issues holding back and it probably won them the game in the end.

 

[Mississippi]

Yeah 100% having a dig. Jaeger doesn’t give that free kick and 50 away and we win the game. We had a shot at goal but end result was they scored. I get these things happen but the dogs players were having an absolute laugh at how undisciplined and easily baited some of our players are.
Jaeger is a great player and his effort is absolutely unquestionable.. I’m not gonna come and post in a thread to reiterate the 100 things that have already been echoed by other people. Stop being a sheep and open your eyes

Important point there.
There’s absolutely no doubt that the Bullies were aware, obviously coached, to stir up the Hawthorn players. That’s obvious from looking at the game - Impey, O’Meara and Sicily in particular. And it paid dividends beautifully.

Knock the umpires as much as you like for overreacting - but blame the players as well for being sucked in at critical times. It was a Bulldog tactic and we fell for it. Look at the Sicily incident. The issue isn’t really whether it was an open handed push or whether his opponent started it.

The issue is this - the ball’s in the centre, nowhere near Sicily. Schache involves him in a bit of dialogue - probably quite deliberately - and gives him a push. So Sicily retaliates by shoving him back, in front of the umpire, once, twice and three times. Now who’s the idiot there? You saw by the reaction of Bontempelli - “beautiful, we got you there mate, thanks for the easy goal”
It was written on Sicily’s face too. He knew he’d been sucked in.

Same with O’Meara, a retaliating push reacting to something said to him in front of an umpire. Not one push, but twice and once again. Critical time of the game - sorry Jaeger, that’s really dumb sh*t because there’s only one way that can go. There’s no point in the push shove game - where you gain absolutely nothing - if there’s even a 20% chance of being free kicked.

Blame the umpires for soft decisions - but bloody hell, our guys were totally sucked in.

There’s no doubt that’ll be the message from the coaches this week - the same message given to Sis over the last couple of years.

 

[burnside5]

No definitely not. But going off the standard set by the umps round 1, doesn’t surprise me in the slightest when they pay it

Perhaps but surely not for pushing someone away is an absolute joke as the AFL may as well come out and say you are not allowed to touch a player except in the play when tackling...

Why not pay a free against Libba charging into Smith (I think it was him) coming off the ground or dog rubbing Sicily's hair after the free kick?

Is this allowed and not inciting a melee?

You can't push a player in retaliation but you can rub the head with glee...or run into a players back with force when he is coming off the ground?

The game has become an absolute joke now... and perhaps I am biased, but me thinks the AFL / Umpires are harsher against Hawthorn than any other club for ridiculous, innocuous decisions...that make no sense except rather than to ensure the opposition has every chance to beat Hawthorn at every opportunity...a sad fact for anyone who follows the game with due diligence..

 

[PhatHQ]

So I just watched the replay.....
WTF was that?
Umpires aside; FM!
Long bomb Smith to Run under Rough worked a treat! Same result in yet another game for the last 3 years.
Morrison was hiding under a daisy..
Impey has a Port flashback..
Stratts has the Captains bug.. what, already. Terrible game.
Frawley would be the first victim in a Freddy Kruger movie as the weakest with 0 skills.
Nash.... come on mate. TOB is comparable in the stats dept but can compete in the air from Long bomb Smith.
Poppy... loves a soccer on a ball going through.
**
Scully went well for his first run.
Sicily had 0 support but did his job.
Jaeger & Worps were bloody great.
Cegs tried hard & BB the same... hard to back up after such a great first game.
Gunston was fantastic & should have had a bag.
Cousins will keep improving-don’t give the ****ing ball to Smith so he can create a moment for himself... take the shot & take the moment.

BOG goes to Henderson by a long way for mine. Defended well. Created scores & seemed to be everywhere.

Really tough loss. 2 players down killed the last 15 mins & the guys in green played their part.

Bring on North & a team that wants to compete rather than run at the front.

 

[cryptor]

If you can't see issue with the frees paid against Sicily and O'Meara then surely you can at least see issue with the fact that time and time again these same infringements weren't enforced against the Bulldogs.

Stupid rules and interpretations aside, the main issue regarding the umpiring on Sunday was that total lack of consistency in enforcing those rules against both sides. There was effectively two sets of rules in this game.

 

[Big Hotdog]

If you can't see issue with the frees paid against Sicily and O'Meara then surely you can at least see issue with the fact that time and time again these same infringements weren't enforced against the Bulldogs.

Stupid rules and interpretations aside, the main issue regarding the umpiring on Sunday was that total lack of consistency in enforcing those rules against both sides. There was effectively two sets of rules in this game.

Exactly. By all means call it.
But you have to call it both ways.

Hard not ro feel reamed.

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[The Jet From Poowong]

If you can't see issue with the frees paid against Sicily and O'Meara then surely you can at least see issue with the fact that time and time again these same infringements weren't enforced against the Bulldogs.

Stupid rules and interpretations aside, the main issue regarding the umpiring on Sunday was that total lack of consistency in enforcing those rules against both sides. There was effectively two sets of rules in this game.

Totally, in so many clips you see both teams doing the same but only one side consistently being penalised

 

[burnside5]

If you can't see issue with the frees paid against Sicily and O'Meara then surely you can at least see issue with the fact that time and time again these same infringements weren't enforced against the Bulldogs.

Stupid rules and interpretations aside, the main issue regarding the umpiring on Sunday was that total lack of consistency in enforcing those rules against both sides. There was effectively two sets of rules in this game.

Just watched the segment on Footy Classified on Hawks game and instead of questioning ANY of the obvious, contentious decisions Chris Dudd instead goes on to bag Sicily for a few minutes. What a total knob the guy is. Calls himself, "The Juddster" seriously... morelike "The Fuc...." Witchypoo (Wilson) says nothing also and wonder if it were Richmond she would be so silent and fat-boy Hutch with Lloyd, not questioning anything...lol..

You will see Wayne Carey give a completely different version...

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Ha h. We think we’re hard done by with Sicily. Just saw 360 and the Lycett free. Holy ****!!

 

[abe8009]

So if Sicily actually did strike schache with a clenched fist, why wasn’t he cited by the mrp and fined?

 

[burnside5]

So if Sicily actually did strike schache with a clenched fist, why wasn’t he cited by the mrp and fined?

That's an excellent point!

There was no clear camera footage, only the umpires view of what he thought he saw and thus awarded the free for thus a strike and a clenched fist so the player should be reported and fined as you say / or suspended.

 

[Arc1]

2/3 correct - ie. AFL confirms they are intent on making the game a joke. For god’s sake just p!ss off.

 

[Maybloomer]

Ha h. We think we’re hard done by with Sicily. Just saw 360 and the Lycett free. Holy ****!!

I cannot believe it. The AFL has completely lost the plot and I’m more pissed off about Lycetts than Sicilys. How in the hell can a supposedly professional organisation treat its product and customers with such contempt and get away with it. There would be riots and sackings in other sporting codes but it just shows the AFL for what it is - a mickey mouse, arrogant and pathetic custodian of our national game.

We need to fight back and make a stand. Reclaim our once great game. Stop watching any game not involving the Hawks. Don’t buy any products endorsed in the AFL’s TV broadcasts. Bombard social media and electronic forums calling out the AFL for its dictatorship. It’s our game. Never forget that.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Anyone who doesn’t have a problem with the frees paid is an imbecile. FFS Schache pushed Sicily first in the chest. Why not a free out of the middle for us?

We were already down 2 rotations, we didn’t need this shit to contend with as well.

This game and the AFL can go f*** themselves.

We’ve lost more important games than this and by Monday I’ve gotten over them or not as bitter but if this rule isn’t scrapped immediately I doubt I’ll be interested in this season come round 6-7.

 

[burnside5]

Anyone who doesn’t have a problem with the frees paid is an imbecile. FFS Schache pushed Sicily first in the chest. Why not a free out of the middle for us?

We were already down 2 rotations, we didn’t need this shit to contend with as well.

This game and the AFL can go f*** themselves.

We’ve lost more important games than this and by Monday I’ve gotten over them or not as bitter but if this rule isn’t scrapped immediately I doubt I’ll be interested in this season come round 6-7.

Cannot say I was a fan of Wayne Carey before but I sure am now.

Someone finally with the balls to stand up call it for what is was on Sunday an absolute joke and then the AFL not to have the balls and say we got it wrong or overacted with Impey, Sicily and the O'Meara decisions, then where is this game headed? Only said the Worpell one was wrong but you could mention quite a few others for debate.

Imagine just ten years ago if those decisions were made? lol... The game is not AFL anymore but touch-footy which is really sad. Agree 100% about the Lycett one and Cox also as just not a contact sport anymore that made our game so tough and unique.

Really, really sad, as well might as well just go for the Melbourne Storm now as a big fan of Cameron Smith (big Hawks fan) and see some men playing 'the game' for what it is.

Or perhaps we could all follow the women's footy; as seems to be shoved down our throats by the media for whatever reason as rather watch Under 10's play myself unless the women play in their underwear like the USA gridiron as have as much respect for that crap. Sorry not a misogynist but just tell it like it is.

 

[Argy]

I guess this means the end of the "don't argue", too.

Have been debating why I should fork out money for a membership when I feel less connected to the game each year. I don't like being treated as a commodity.

 

[abe8009]

That's an excellent point!

There was no clear camera footage, only the umpires view of what he thought he saw and thus awarded the free for thus a strike and a clenched fist so the player should be reported and fined as you say / or suspended.

However they said the O’Meara one was also correct and there was definitely no fist clenched there
Seems the opposite to clarifying what’s allowed if you ask me. How the hell does any player in the league know what’s what with the rules