No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 4

[Argy]

In other news, Jack Watts has copped a dislocated ankle, broken leg and syndesmosis injury all in one incident. Pretty rough.

Yuck, that sounds like an injury from a motorcycle accident rather than a sporting contest.

 

[Ram-Man]

It’s crazy isn’t it. Like how Buddy went up to Sydney and started getting free kicks after giving away free kicks at Hawthorn, plus he doesn’t ever get rubbed out for his rough/careless play anymore. EVER.
Roughie should’ve been smart at his peak, if he had of gone to another club he might have been paid the thousands he’s owed from being rag dolled in every pack.
I’m not conspiracy theorist and I don’t believe I have Hawthorn tinted goggles, but there’s just some strange stuff that goes on in this league..

Thought I'd check that out. Stats marginally back what you're saying - it's the differential that is the big change - he gets more but he also gives away less.

Franklin at the Hawks - 219 Free Kicks For , 387 Against over 9 seasons. Average 24 For v 43 Against (-19 differential)

Franklin at the Swans - 158 Free Kicks For , 187 Against over 5 seasons. Average 31 For v 37 Against (-6 differential)

 

[Bugs1977]

In other news, Jack Watts has copped a dislocated ankle, broken leg and syndesmosis injury all in one incident. Pretty rough.

Does this mean where trading him in? A 10th rounder and a packet of skittles should seal the deal

 

[grumbleguts]

Thought I'd check that out. Stats marginally back what you're saying - it's the differential that is the big change - he gets more but he also gives away less.

Franklin at the Hawks - 219 Free Kicks For , 387 Against over 9 seasons. Average 24 For v 43 Against (-19 differential)

Franklin at the Swans - 158 Free Kicks For , 187 Against over 5 seasons. Average 31 For v 37 Against (-6 differential)

I checked this out quite a while ago, if you plot his frees for and frees against over his career, it's a gradual change for the better, so when he moved to the swans, it continued.

 

[Ram-Man]

I checked this out quite a while ago, if you plot his frees for and frees against over his career, it's a gradual change for the better, so when he moved to the swans, it continued.

Sort of ... I'd suggest he has been far better off at the Swans with regards to differential ... he was a whopping -47 in 2008 when he was the central focus of our attack. I assume he has been the central focus of Sydney's attack the whole time he has been there? I don't watch too many of his games now so not sure.

 

[Gralin]

Sort of ... I'd suggest he has been far better off at the Swans with regards to differential ... he was a whopping -47 in 2008 when he was the central focus of our attack. I assume he has been the central focus of Sydney's attack the whole time he has been there? I don't watch too many of his games now so not sure.



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you just have to look at that drop in 2009 to see how the umpires are impacted by superstar status
the big name players almost always get the most leeway
and the unknowns get reamed

it's so consistent it's almost like it's on purpose, and so obvious that you wonder how it continues to happen year after year....

 

[4THAWN]

Yuck, that sounds like an injury from a motorcycle accident rather than a sporting contest.

yep the incident doesn't even look bad. Feel for the guy finally seems to get himself on the right track and is struck down with this.

 

[Milkshaker]

Still yet to see a good game of football this year. Teams playing like shit, players playing like shit, umpires umpiring shit rules, players being penalised and even suspended for less contact than a netball game. The game is very nearly unwatchable

Heard this is why so many people went to the AFLW grand final. Go watch an early crap game of footy and free the arvo up.

 

[Beandip]

you just have to look at that drop in 2009 to see how the umpires are impacted by superstar status
the big name players almost always get the most leeway
and the unknowns get reamed

it's so consistent it's almost like it's on purpose, and so obvious that you wonder how it continues to happen year after year....

Kind of makes 2008 all the more impressive, 100+ goals when you could barely go near it without giving away a free....

 

[Maybloomer]

Have not watched many neutral games this year, but this new "push me, shove you, oh yeah, says who" rule. Has this been paid in many other games so far? Struggling to remember one in a game I've seen - which of course doesn't mean it didn't happen - I just don't usually give neutral games my full attention.

No, rule of the month which disappears after 2 weeks. North the Nigglers will be at their annoying best next weekend so expect more frees to them.

Still the only team to lose players with the potenial to cause injury suspension.

Dont forget Cyril’s 2 weeks for attempting to strike.

 

[Maybloomer]

I checked this out quite a while ago, if you plot his frees for and frees against over his career, it's a gradual change for the better, so when he moved to the swans, it continued.

He was always a clumsy tackler but he just got better at it.

 

[Hawks1994]

If you haven’t seen it, check out the free against Scott Lycett that the AFL also ticked off. Even softer than the Sicily one, and by a lot (just wasn’t at an important time).

Didn't see this one until last night, having been lost in the many other horrid ones this round. My humble opinion is the Lycett one is significantly worse than Sicilys

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

Sort of ... I'd suggest he has been far better off at the Swans with regards to differential ... he was a whopping -47 in 2008 when he was the central focus of our attack. I assume he has been the central focus of Sydney's attack the whole time he has been there? I don't watch too many of his games now so not sure.



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Great work. I don’t suppose there’s a way to find a stat that tells you free kicks that lead directly to goals, because as soon as Bud became a Swan he was getting all the lineball calls that he wasn’t at Hawthorn right in front of goal. Not to mention he in incapable of being suspended no matter what he does on the field.

 

[grumbleguts]

Sort of ... I'd suggest he has been far better off at the Swans with regards to differential ... he was a whopping -47 in 2008 when he was the central focus of our attack. I assume he has been the central focus of Sydney's attack the whole time he has been there? I don't watch too many of his games now so not sure.



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That absolute differential. Which is not a good indicator. Use ratio of for and against and it is gradual. The problem with difference is it depends on the absolute number of decisions he's involved with.

 

[Ram-Man]

That absolute differential. Which is not a good indicator. Use ratio of for and against and it is gradual. The problem with difference is it depends on the absolute number of decisions he's involved with.

Are you sure that won’t disrupt the space time continuum?

 

[COKEandCOLA]

How long before they replace woosha?

How long before Hird is finished at the solarium?

 

[COKEandCOLA]

Does this mean where trading him in? A 10th rounder and a packet of skittles should seal the deal

I'd rather keep the Skittles to be honest.

 

[Pessimistic]

In all the Hird hoo ha. I’d like to hear one commentator say ‘was he actually any good?’

 

[Seagull Supremacy]

I just had an idea.

The way the game is heading, let’s just remove the behind posts, and connect the two goal posts at either end with a crossbar. The game is now barely distinguishable from what the rugby codes would look like if knocks on and forward passes were allowed, anyway.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

In all the Hird hoo ha. I’d like to hear one commentator say ‘was he actually any good?’

Well, here's his record. 8th, 11th, 9th .... had to stand out for a year due to the doping saga, then 15th. Yep, I can see clubs climbing over the top of each other to gain his services. You'd think not even Essendon would be so stupid as to entertain thoughts of him coaching again. Trouble is, their CEO is a massive Hird fan, so anything's possible.

 

[grumbleguts]

Sort of ... I'd suggest he has been far better off at the Swans with regards to differential ... he was a whopping -47 in 2008 when he was the central focus of our attack. I assume he has been the central focus of Sydney's attack the whole time he has been there? I don't watch too many of his games now so not sure.



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Here is the same graph with the ratio of for and against instead of absolute differential:

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

In all the Hird hoo ha. I’d like to hear one commentator say ‘was he actually any good?’

The AFL wouldn't allow it...

 

[beta_condition]

In all the Hird hoo ha. I’d like to hear one commentator say ‘was he actually any good?’

Gary Lyon asked that on SEN mornings the other day

 

[JoeHawk]

The AFL wouldn't allow it...

Wouldn’t they? They allowed him to present the NS medal. Just a small step towards forgiveness.

 

[PT Bar None]

One of my greatest laments of the modern game is the gradual but deliberate erosion of the no throwing rule.

We had, what, nine new rules just for this year? But back when the game only had about nine rules in total - you're not allowed to throw the ball was front and centre. It's one of the pillars that makes the game unique.

It's amazing what I can brush off and move past in terms of ridiculous changes and implementation of same - but this one just kills me. It's like that thing in a movie that kills your suspension of disbelief. Once it's happened, you're not able to get into the movie again.

So, despite all the utterances from AFL House on changes, I don't remember one where they said: "Yeah, you can pretty much just chuck it now if you want." But that's where we are. Like many of you, I played junior and suburban footy back in the day. And if I tried this boundary umpire impersonation handball that we now see all teams do, not only would a free kick have been paid against me but my own coach would have dragged me and I'd have a week of handball drills to look forward to.

The commentary (as always) doesn't help. The amount of times we see a blatant throw, and the replay shows that 99.97% of the balls energy was imparted by the supporting hand, but the swinging, striking hand managed to contact with the barest number of epidermis cells possible and we hear from our experts: "That's a legal handball". No. It's not. And if the wording of the rule supports that interpretation, then it's wrong.

I know I'm just an old man shouting at clouds. But some clouds are different and need to be shouted at!

Is Zac Smith still listed? Elite level guy who could not handpass. Threw it every time, including those dinky little < 1m ruckman jobs to someone running past. Held the ball in his left hand, clenched his right fist and "hand passed" the ball by making an underarm throwing motion with both hands. Obviously was never taught properly, nor ever corrected.

Shitty, one sided umpiring I can cop. Getting flogged I can cop. Deliberate changes that erode the specialness of the game make me wonder why I'm spending my time watching it.