Roast It's time to talk about the coaches

[1970crow]

I agree with this - we have to give Pyke his own guys, not a couple of rusted on assistants, a couple of SANFL apprentices and a guy noone else wants FFS

If Pyke wasn’t happy with his crew or any other part o& the footy dept he could have leveraged his re-contracting to get what he wanted. I think it’s fair to say that he’s got what he wants. He’s just not a particularly good coach. He has too much self belief and is far too arrogant and conservative.

 

[pjcrows]

If Pyke wasn’t happy with his crew or any other part o& the footy dept he could have leveraged his re-contracting to get what he wanted. I think it’s fair to say that he’s got what he wants. He’s just not a particularly good coach. He has too much self belief and is far too arrogant and conservative.

Whilst your sentiment is understandable, that's not how it works.

 

[1970crow]

I'm willing to give Godden and Mattner some time before I write them off. The rest of those guys I mentioned are proven duds though.


Hart is a junior coach? Wtf? He's been in the system for ages. He's a known quantity.

He’s junior in the hierarchy, he’s a line coach and works underneath the senior assistant/strategy coach who are both underneath the senior coach. Blaming him as if he has full control of our forward structure is rank stupidity. He’s there to implement what Pyke and Campo think will work.

 

[Doctor B]

Our coaching group is unbelievabley arrogant. Their response to the GF showed their true colours. They never make mistakes, it’s all on the players. Pyke is a massive problem.

I guess by being the absolute best coaching group in the AFL they can be arrogant.

Fagan said back in 2014 that he would assemble the best football department in the country!!

 

[1970crow]

He's tried to get his own guys, both times we went with cheaper alternatives.

It’s a performance industry, he should walk if he’s being hamstrung.

 

[1970crow]

Pyke doesn't decide who he gets.

Then he’s a ****ing idiot.

 

[Vhaluus]

Next in line we have Rutten, Thompson, Van Berlo and if Melbourne fire him, Goodwin

lets not forget we know that Roo has already tried to tempt Goodwin back once... and we're seeing that we dodged a bullet there.

 

[jackster83]

lets not forget we know that Roo has already tried to tempt Goodwin back once... and we're seeing that we dodged a bullet there.

Remember when we thought Ricciuto would be the man to turn the club around? Instead he's happy to just keep giving jobs to his mates at the expense of team success.

 

[hey shorty]

He’s got the assistants that he wants. Laughable to suggest otherwise. Financial constraints might have tied his hands for the first couple of years, but he’s in his 4th year, having been re-contracted himself and seen both Campi and Doc extended as well. He’s got who he’s comfortable with.

I don't believe that entirely

 

[Canuck_Crow]

well that was a depressive nine pages to read in one go.

I think Pyke is smart enough to save his skin for this year, he will retool the team to beat up on middling opposition but will struggle when the heat is applied. So my bet is at least 18 more months of pyke if not 2 years +

I personally had really high hopes for the year, I was impressed with what i saw pre season and I bought all of the positive press. but it is clear that even if the team rebounds this season it is simply not good enough for the final dance and while our youth development is strong its not great. and i think this is where the biggest problem lies, what youth do we have to get truly excited by. Fog is far from setting the world on fire, galluci is tracking as middle of the road, wayne jr has shown glimpses but hasnt taken that last step (i know its early) the dude is great and a good tallia replacement, and this years recruits are trending in the right direction but we are really missing that great white hope player, I cant see a new tex, sloane, dangefield or even a charlie in the up and coming crop. We have drafted strong players who fit a mold but as a result we have players with no spark, or maybe its beaten out of them by the monotony of bad coaching i dont know. My point being regardless if we fire pyke we are in trouble, the core players are struggling, the youth arent playing blinders and demanding to pick for the firsts, so the vicious beige circle of being ok but not great continues in earnest, never change crows never change.

and on a side note im fascinated to see how pyke can be stern or imposing with the players after the bloody love fest that was the preseason.

 

[Cap]

Remember when we thought Ricciuto would be the man to turn the club around? Instead he's happy to just keep giving jobs to his mates at the expense of team success.

We really need to stop this mates jobs at the expense of success, this along with all the other rubbish is starting to make its sound like a 2 bit conspiracy theory board.

Made bad decisions, most likely. Completely unaccountable, yep. Doing things to deliberately sabotage success? Na.

 

[mattymac]

He’s got the assistants that he wants. Laughable to suggest otherwise. Financial constraints might have tied his hands for the first couple of years, but he’s in his 4th year, having been re-contracted himself and seen both Campi and Doc extended as well. He’s got who he’s comfortable with.

You think Pyke asked for Campo, Hart and too snaffle rookies? Hahaha that's epic

 

[1970crow]

You think Pyke asked for Campo, Hart and too snaffle rookies? Hahaha that's epic

Do you think he wasn’t consulted when they were contracted again during his tenure? Hahaha that’s epic.

 

[Simmo28]

Unless we do something about the coaching staff, I can see a lot of players getting fed up, both our young guns who are starved for no good reason in the 2s and established good players who actually want a shot at a flag with a decent side.


Realistically our 2017 gameplan got found out and stopped. We used injuries as an excuse in 2018 but lo and behold we come back and get stopped with a very close to best 22.

When will Pyke and co wake the **** up and realise our 2017 gameplan belongs exactly there?

The blessing of 2-1 is that you can actually realise this and develop a better plan. One that can take shape over the next 10-12 weeks before we click as a unit and have an unstoppable run to thr flag.

It's far better to have a slump in the front half than the back half of the season. But only if we learn from it and change.

What will actually happen?

We will win the next 4 games on the trot against shit teams, go 5-2 and everyone will be loving life at the Crows. Then we have our tough as **** middle 8 games and lose 6 of them to go 7-8.

Then we have another run of 4 shit teams and because Pyke is desperate to keep his job he will stick with the same shit because its too late to experiment . We go 12-8

Then we win 1 of our last 3.

Yay. 13-10 season. We scrape into 8th thanks purely to the draw.

We get belted by 10 goals in the elim. Fagan gets on the emails and tells us all that the season didnt go to plan but we will be back stronger than ever.

Boys club goes round again the next year.

**** off.


Why the **** don't Pyke and co understand that you can drop a player to the 2s To get form? Drop Eddie and JJ and let them kick a bag then bring them back. Shit drives more shit. Break the ******* cycle.

We won’t win the next four in a row.


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[BunjiMac]

Pyke is not a visionary leader. He is also not your command and control type.

He is a good manager that likes to collaborate but also play the percentages, which can take you a long way in the business world. He's a safe pair of hands as they say. He's never going to do anything drastic but he's also never going to have massive fails.

Different people respond to different things but ultimately your style will dictate the type of culture you instill and the results.

I see leading a football side as being more similar to leading an army betallion than a corporate entity. I actually think you need to be able to command respect and demand accountability. Its also been shown time and time again that those sides that can innovate and evolve their game are those that ultimately successful.

I'm sure Pyke is trying to evolve but his execution is poor, I think in part because of his style of leadership.

I consider Alastair Clarkson the best in the business as he is an innovator, he commands respect, and he is a master at taking calculated risks that seem to make him appear a genius on game day and from a management perspective. He understands the percentages but using them as just another tool and not the underlying foundation of all his decision making. He has great "gut feel" and backs that in. His players admire and respect him and always play for him.

I'm sure the players like Pyke and see him as a friend, their boss even. I'm not sure they see him as their leader. But it doesn't actually matter because winning a premiership would be nice, but it's not the most important thing at the AFC.

 

[mattymac]

Do you think he wasn’t consulted when they were contracted again during his tenure? Hahaha that’s epic.

"Consulted" as in "Hey Pykey, Chairman Chapps here. Listen Pykey we know you want Sumich and we get that, we do, but we see value in Campo."

"Also, just while I've got you, we know you wanted Benny the hell away from your defenders but... haha... and you'll never believe this Pykey... but we can't find anyone willing to take our lowball offers. So we've decided to give Benny another go. Maybe up forward. Can't do much harm up there."

 

[1970crow]

"Consulted" as in "Hey Pykey, Chairman Chapps here. Listen Pykey we know you want Sumich and we get that, we do, but we see value in Campo."

"Also, just while I've got you, we know you wanted Benny the hell away from your defenders but... haha... and you'll never believe this Pykey... but we can't find anyone willing to take our lowball offers. So we've decided to give Benny another go. Maybe up forward. Can't do much harm up there."

“Hey Chappy, I’m out, best of luck in your future endeavours”.

Do you seriously think that Pyke didn’t have an opportunity and the influence to get the subordinates that he wanted? And if he’s just rolled over, then it’s not much different than if he’d actually head hunted them himself. You’re trying to suggest that he’s an innocent victim and has no influence upon who works for him. That is unlikely to be true and if it is, he should have walked. Either way he’s a massive part of the problem.

 

[pjcrows]

“Hey Chappy, I’m out, best of luck in your future endeavours”.

Do you seriously think that Pyke didn’t have an opportunity and the influence to get the subordinates that he wanted? And if he’s just rolled over, then it’s not much different than if he’d actually head hunted them himself. You’re trying to suggest that he’s an innocent victim and has no influence upon who works for him. That is unlikely to be true and if it is, he should have walked. Either way he’s a massive part of the problem.

You don't really have much of a grasp of how professional sporting organisations work if you think this is reality.

 

[Damp Squarie]

So many issues, but the main one is simply the Cats had an additional player behind the ball completely free and blocking our attacks at every stoppage.

Cats have been doing this for years. You’d have thought we would cotton on by now.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Got made to look good by Teague and Walsh. Pyke blaming the players for the GF disaster and Burton refusing to take the blame for last year's preseason disaster really sums up the mentality at our club.

Things are pretty shitwhen Teague is being held in high regard.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Things are pretty shitwhen Teague is being held in high regard.

He's highly regarded because our forward line was one of the best in the league during his tenure as forward coach. It's not rocket science.

 

[mattymac]

“Hey Chappy, I’m out, best of luck in your future endeavours”.

Do you seriously think that Pyke didn’t have an opportunity and the influence to get the subordinates that he wanted? And if he’s just rolled over, then it’s not much different than if he’d actually head hunted them himself. You’re trying to suggest that he’s an innocent victim and has no influence upon who works for him. That is unlikely to be true and if it is, he should have walked. Either way he’s a massive part of the problem.

Yeah I think you just don't get how it works. The coach can make a wish list but in the end he gets what he's given.

Walsh only got one from his wish list. Pyke has had to make do like an 80s Ethiopian

 

[King Elvis]

Pyke is not a visionary leader. He is also not your command and control type.

He is a good manager that likes to collaborate but also play the percentages, which can take you a long way in the business world. He's a safe pair of hands as they say. He's never going to do anything drastic but he's also never going to have massive fails.

Different people respond to different things but ultimately your style will dictate the type of culture you instill and the results.

I see leading a football side as being more similar to leading an army betallion than a corporate entity. I actually think you need to be able to command respect and demand accountability. Its also been shown time and time again that those sides that can innovate and evolve their game are those that ultimately successful.

I'm sure Pyke is trying to evolve but his execution is poor, I think in part because of his style of leadership.

I consider Alastair Clarkson the best in the business as he is an innovator, he commands respect, and he is a master at taking calculated risks that seem to make him appear a genius on game day and from a management perspective. He understands the percentages but using them as just another tool and not the underlying foundation of all his decision making. He has great "gut feel" and backs that in. His players admire and respect him and always play for him.

I'm sure the players like Pyke and see him as a friend, their boss even. I'm not sure they see him as their leader. But it doesn't actually matter because winning a premiership would be nice, but it's not the most important thing at the AFC.

Great post mate.

I agree.

I rate Pyke, but he seems more of rbw conservative strategist behind the lines, than for Clarkson type leader.

 

[Elite Crow]

“Hey Chappy, I’m out, best of luck in your future endeavours”.

Do you seriously think that Pyke didn’t have an opportunity and the influence to get the subordinates that he wanted? And if he’s just rolled over, then it’s not much different than if he’d actually head hunted them himself. You’re trying to suggest that he’s an innocent victim and has no influence upon who works for him. That is unlikely to be true and if it is, he should have walked. Either way he’s a massive part of the problem.

Pyke could say who he wants but if the club can’t get it done, which we know they can’t, he’s not going to walk away.

Hell we couldn’t even keep Francou more than one year.

Given the year we had and with assistant coaches leaving early. do you think we would have been a destination quality coaches would have wanted to come to?

We kept a coach the quality of Ben Hart, that says it all.

Don had the option to stay and coach with what we could get or not coach, of course he was going to stay, no senior coach just walks away.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah I think you just don't get how it works. The coach can make a wish list but in the end he gets what he's given.

Walsh only got one from his wish list. Pyke has had to make do like an 80s Ethiopian

Then he’s not too bright. He’s being dragged down by a coaching group, of which he is head, that he thinks isn’t up to it. Basically putting his pay cheque ahead of the best interests of the club. If we’re that culturally screwed as a club, he should pull the pin right now. Say nothing apart from that he’s lost the passion. I could at least respect that. But rolling over and accepting unqualified people choosing your coaching group is piss weak.