Autopsy Round 3, 2019: Fremantle v St.Kilda

[Ads734]

Everyone give Acres a break ffs. He was playing as mid sized forward in a team where we kept bombing it into an outnumber over and over again the giving him a spell in the ruck. He’s by no means soft. Nor is he arrogant, this rubbish about him being arrogant and aloof is nonsense. Yes he didn’t play well. He pretty much missed a month of footy before the season started. Unfortunately he’s still finding his way back. Let’s use his strengths tho let him run through the middle chNge angles and take on tacklers that’s his value.

 

[StCicatriz]

Look at the quality of his clearances atrocious. He was standing Walters at stoppages put no physical pressure on him what so ever and just watched Walters waltz off with the ball on too many occasions. He wins his tackles and possessions in close but go outside that 15 metre arc and he is destroyed by his opponent. Why he is playing in our midfield we are always one player short on the release. TBH Ross was actually probably worse today, he was completely ineffective and looked intimidated.

mate give me an attempt at a clearance over literally nothing. acres was an absolute passenger and so was sinclair. both should be dropped ASAP

 

[Premium]

Everyone give Acres a break ffs. He was playing as mid sized forward in a team where we kept bombing it into an outnumber over and over again the giving him a spell in the ruck. He’s by no means soft. Nor is he arrogant, this rubbish about him being arrogant and aloof is nonsense. Yes he didn’t play well. He pretty much missed a month of footy before the season started. Unfortunately he’s still finding his way back. Let’s use his strengths tho let him run through the middle chNge angles and take on tacklers that’s his value.

there was a lot worse than Acres today

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

cant stand the dunstan hate on here whilst someone like acres and sinclair go completely untouched in criticism

dunstan equal highest tackles. highest contested possession. same number of clearance as steele.

dunstan is not the issue. he is playing his role.

if only some of the other blatant passengers start to take a leaf out of his book

Ok heres the thing. Acres and Sinclair had bad games.
But Dunstan was the midfielder. 20 disposals with a 50% disposal efficiency.
The midfield was smashed. Maybe Dunstan is doing better than what everyone else can do in there. Maybe someone else should be tried out to see if they can do better.

Acres and Sinclair were stuck in the bombing zone that is the forward line where Dunstan and co would ignore them and kick it straight to Ryan. Good luck being a forward at St kilda. Maybe Dunstan should give it a try?

 

[StCicatriz]

still think about the game last year. i think we've improved out of sight. weather or not thats enough to save richo we will see.

but we should be super proud of the performance and improvement.

gonna be an exciting 3 weeks

 

[plugger66]

Acres is a star till he isn’t. Same with a couple of others. The truth is acres is an ordinary footballer and so are a few others. In saying that we probably should have won

 

[StCicatriz]

Ok heres the thing. Acres and Sinclair had bad games.
But Dunstan was the midfielder. 20 disposals with a 50% disposal efficiency.
The midfield was smashed. Maybe Dunstan is doing better than what everyone else can do in there. Maybe someone else should be tried out to see if they can do better.

Acres and Sinclair were stuck in the bombing zone that is the forward line where Dunstan and co would ignore them and kick it straight to Ryan. Good luck being a forward at St kilda. Maybe Dunstan should give it a try?

you know what ross only had it 20 times too. is he under the same level of scrutiny as dunstan?

both acres and sinclair were pushing up high. sinclair spent significant minutes on the wing. he's had a qtr and a half of good footy for the entire year. i'm a massive fan of his, but he's shockingly out of form right now.

i think dunstan is the best option for the inside role and no clark isn't it. if dunstan's 20 disposal and numbers that are far superior to clarks, isn't good enough, then clark right now isn't either right? its ross, dunstan, steele as the inside mids, then light years before we have another adequate option!!!

yes its not at the level we want it, but its the best we have. hopefully that changes. hopefully dunstan gets more and does more, or someone else does, but right now dunstan is literally our best performing inside mid. until that changes dunstan stays in.

meanwhile acres and sinclair should be sent back to sandringham to find form, as they're playing roles we do have flexability on.

 

[Max the great]

Look at the quality of his clearances atrocious. He was standing Walters at stoppages put no physical pressure on him what so ever and just watched Walters waltz off with the ball on too many occasions. He wins his tackles and possessions in close but go outside that 15 metre arc and he is destroyed by his opponent. Why he is playing in our midfield we are always one player short on the release. TBH Ross was actually probably worse today, he was completely ineffective and looked intimidated.

I don't get what has happened to Ross... he has completely dropped off. Has very minimal impact on games. It is very concerning

 

[VDS66]

So we all agree we are 2 X A grade mids short?

 

[Max the great]

Everyone give Acres a break ffs. He was playing as mid sized forward in a team where we kept bombing it into an outnumber over and over again the giving him a spell in the ruck. He’s by no means soft. Nor is he arrogant, this rubbish about him being arrogant and aloof is nonsense. Yes he didn’t play well. He pretty much missed a month of footy before the season started. Unfortunately he’s still finding his way back. Let’s use his strengths tho let him run through the middle chNge angles and take on tacklers that’s his value.

This is absolutely spot on. Acres just got Cho'd today...

 

[Max the great]

So we all agree we are 2 X A grade mids short?

We desperately need an elite midfielder. Put Fyfe or Cripps in our midfield and we would be right up there IMO.

 

[Premium]

Ok heres the thing. Acres and Sinclair had bad games.
But Dunstan was the midfielder. 20 disposals with a 50% disposal efficiency.
The midfield was smashed. Maybe Dunstan is doing better than what everyone else can do in there. Maybe someone else should be tried out to see if they can do better.

Acres and Sinclair were stuck in the bombing zone that is the forward line where Dunstan and co would ignore them and kick it straight to Ryan. Good luck being a forward at St kilda. Maybe Dunstan should give it a try?

I don't know who played on Walters , but whoever they should of been moved - coaching mistake - could anyone tell me who played on him
on the radio it seemed they were kicking to our forwards in 2 on 1 contests , this was the case with Acres 3 times at least I heard.
However our forwards were beaten today and I thought it was going to be our strong point.
Makes next weeks game a must win.
I feel Marsh should be moved into the team once fit.
Hate to say it but Kent would be the first dropped if it was me , only guy who didn't have a tackle and playing as a defensive forward not great.
And Acres is a mid and needs to be playing there - someone has to make way - today Ross and Acres should of traded positions.
Ross was shocking and Hunter wasn't much better, but you can't expect to much from the kid yet - but gee Paton or Hind would of been better options.

 

[StCicatriz]

Acres is a star till he isn’t. Same with a couple of others. The truth is acres is an ordinary footballer and so are a few others. In saying that we probably should have won

the problem i see for him, is he isn't good enough as an inside mid, so they're giving him a role to be that forward utility type, which i don't think he's suited too. he's almost in no mans land right now. i think the club's hope is he can play forward where he can use his height to his advantage and push high into the midfield and be effective. he's been giving a great opportunity to really cement him self as an AFL footballer, but he's slowly but surely wasting that opportunity.

this year will tell us if he's going to make ti or not. i hope he does.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

you know what ross only had it 20 times too. is he under the same level of scrutiny as dunstan?

both acres and sinclair were pushing up high. sinclair spent significant minutes on the wing. he's had a qtr and a half of good footy for the entire year. i'm a massive fan of his, but he's shockingly out of form right now.

i think dunstan is the best option for the inside role and no clark isn't it. if dunstan's 20 disposal and numbers that are far superior to clarks, isn't good enough, then clark right now isn't either right? its ross, dunstan, steele as the inside mids, then light years before we have another adequate option!!!

yes its not at the level we want it, but its the best we have. hopefully that changes. hopefully dunstan gets more and does more, or someone else does, but right now dunstan is literally our best performing inside mid. until that changes dunstan stays in.

meanwhile acres and sinclair should be sent back to sandringham to find form, as they're playing roles we do have flexability on.

Ross is very much under the same amount of scrutiny. Going forward I think we need to phase both of them out of the midfield if we want to take the next step. However, he still had more clearances than Dunstan. As did Clark. Ross can do more than 1 position though.

Dunstan isn't our best performing inside mid. He is however one of the only few that play in the role. Marshall is doing more inside than Dunstan.

Sinclair might need a spell but Acres kicked a goal and directly set up at least 2 more. Sending them back to the VFL to play them as mids and then bringing them back in at forwards doesn't work and doesn't help anyone.

 

[StCicatriz]

So we all agree we are 2 X A grade mids short?

without a doubt. i think ross is at that age where he's reached his level. we know what we will get from him. he's a very solid player and can be elite on his day. but he's not an all australian match winning mid that will be consistently great, and you know what i think he's our best mid now. by some margin.

steele seems to be most effective as a run with player who can do some damage on the other end. like ross we probably know now what we will get from him.

dunstan battles but has major flaws in his game, again we know what we will get.

like you say we need two bonafide midfield stars. that's when your side goes from good to great. hopefully clark will be one. but that will take another 3 years to determine. hopefully hanners can get back to it, but i doubt it will happen. he could be in the servicable category and be an upgrade on someone like dunstan.

jb is looking great but he's an outside mid. he needs help! newnes does that defencive winger role well.

we really need to find a match winning inside mid. it's been ages since we have found and developed our own elite inside midfielder. stuv would be the last find and he debuted back in 2009. that's far too long. before stuv, lenny and ball? before that harvey?

the pressure is on, we need to find them and fast!

its no surprise that everyone of the last premiers found their own. developed their own.

WCE: shuey
Richmond: martin & cotchin
WB: bont, libba
hawks: yeah we know and along you go

but here we are. waiting. hoping.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

I don't know who played on Walters , but whoever they should of been moved - coaching mistake - could anyone tell me who played on him
on the radio it seemed they were kicking to our forwards in 2 on 1 contests , this was the case with Acres 3 times at least I heard.
However our forwards were beaten today and I thought it was going to be our strong point.
Makes next weeks game a must win.
I feel Marsh should be moved into the team once fit.
Hate to say it but Kent would be the first dropped if it was me , only guy who didn't have a tackle and playing as a defensive forward not great.
And Acres is a mid and needs to be playing there - someone has to make way - today Ross and Acres should of traded positions.
Ross was shocking and Hunter wasn't much better, but you can't expect to much from the kid yet - but gee Paton or Hind would of been better options.

Hit the nail on the head there Premium. Couldn't agree more.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Marsh in there to add a new element to the team. Hopefully he's match fit soon!

 

[Tigerssaints]

Ross is very much under the same amount of scrutiny. Going forward I think we need to phase both of them out of the midfield if we want to take the next step. However, he still had more clearances than Dunstan. As did Clark. Ross can do more than 1 position though.

Dunstan isn't our best performing inside mid. He is however one of the only few that play in the role. Marshall is doing more inside than Dunstan.

Sinclair might need a spell but Acres kicked a goal and directly set up at least 2 more. Sending them back to the VFL to play them as mids and then bringing them back in at forwards doesn't work and doesn't help anyone.

OUT coached again. with 6x6x6 Freo just kept hitting up going through CHF/FF .thats why they only kicked 5 points.
when the ball was going into there forward line , the kicker , just know that a player would be there
Go back and watch highlights
Our forwards , need to be trained where to lead and when its long top of goal square
All back men panic
get rid of our goal kicking coach

 

[MrFoster]

There were crucial clearances in the third and we had steel, dunstan & Ross and freo cut us to pieces with speed. It happened over and over. Take one out and put a quicker mid in to mix it up.....to at least go with Walters.

It’s not that simple.. none of Steele, Dunstable and Ross are instinctive and able ball winners.. they are more reactive players, put a faster outside player in, we still don’t win the ball. We need to tell two out of the 3 get the football first. And when we get it, have the composure to prop/evade tackle and hand ball to a free player streaming forward. Sadly only Gresham, Ross, Clark and Lonnie in our team has any type of composure..

 

[StCicatriz]

It’s not that simple.. none of Steele, Dunstable and Ross are instinctive and able ball winners.. they are more reactive players, put a faster outside player in, we still don’t win the ball. We need to tell two out of the 3 get the football first. And when we get it, have the composure to prop/evade tackle and hand ball to a free player streaming forward. Sadly only Gresham, Ross, Clark and Lonnie in our team has any type of composure..

great post!

 

[StCicatriz]

the thing i can't work out is how carlton can be so shit given i think their midfield prospects are very high potential:
cripps (elite), walsh (high potential), dow (high potential), fisher (high potential)

they're really only missing another winger to go with Fisher.

yet they're utterly hopeless. genuinely friggin strange.

i think we'd kill for all of them!

just cripps in, in place of dunstan and i think we win on the weekend and become a much better side. get one of walsh and dow as well and boy oh boy!

 

[StCicatriz]

side topic, how do people see freo off-season, specifically the Neale move. they effectively gambled on losing neale to gain hogan and lobb. do people think it was effective today?

personally i think they've lost a lot of drive giving up neale. i'd have him before lobb and hogan combined.

hell i'd love neale at the saints! give our midfield some serious toe and ball winning ability.

 

[Premium]

Todays game was ours, even though we played poorly over all , the thing that killed it was our kicking - 9.12 and this does not include 4 set shots that missed everything.
I'm pissed we lost this game.

 

[MrFoster]

the thing i can't work out is how carlton can be so shit given i think their midfield prospects are very high potential:
cripps (elite), walsh (high potential), dow (high potential), fisher (high potential)

they're really only missing another winger to go with Fisher.

yet they're utterly hopeless. genuinely friggin strange.

i think we'd kill for all of them!

just cripps in, in place of dunstan and i think we win on the weekend and become a much better side. get one of walsh and dow as well and boy oh boy!

Their mids are all basically kids apart from Cripps, they also have Kurnow and Murphy. These days you’ll need 5-7 good mids to compete with top sides. If they had a couple of more mature mids helping out e.g rockliff, Lyons, along with gun kids.. they’ll do well. Just give them a couple of years.. Hope they don’t find those mature guns.

 

[MrFoster]

side topic, how do people see freo off-season, specifically the Neale move. they effectively gambled on losing neale to gain hogan and lobb. do people think it was effective today?

personally i think they've lost a lot of drive giving up neale. i'd have him before lobb and hogan combined.

hell i'd love neale at the saints! give our midfield some serious toe and ball winning ability.

I think they improved... They still have Fyfe, Langdon, Mundy so winning the ball is not the problem, they also have the hills, Walters, speed is also good. Only key forwards (only had McCarthy and Tabenr) and ruck was their problem (Darcy is inexperienced), now they fixed both areas, they’ll make finals I think.

Our problem is not forwards, it’s mids and mids. And a ruck, although Marshall is doing alright currently.

 

[Drake Huggins]

No we haven't

We're still going at less than 50% for accuracy, aren't we?