Luke Beveridge

[Blue1980]

He could have had a mix between experience and youth like Collingwood but he dismantled a fair chunk of their senior players. Strange.

Because they were either partying too hard/and/or bullying Tom Boyd?

Seems they won the flag ahead of schedule like the hawks in 2008, but unlike the hawks haven’t been able to refocus or replenish for whatever reason

 

[cecil]

Out: Boyd and Bevo
In: Ratten and ?!

Why is Boyd going?

 

[_M_16_]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

Its not his third year of a rebuild though? This is year one. 2017 was about trying to go back to back as you naturally would after winning a flag. 2018 was about seeing whether 2017 was just a bump in the road. He coached it like we were still trying to milk another premiership from the squad. Why would the club immediately after the 2016 flag decide its rebuild time? Bevo admitted in his press conference a few weeks back that the last couple of years they were trying to chase another flag, but this year is about the future and onwards. He still has a couple of years to show something.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

can anyone think of a coach who failed to play finals for 2-3 seasons after winning a flag and survived the job? off the top of my head i cant recall (pre 2000's?), most premiership coaches seem to make finals on a regular basis.

im worried if bevo is a 1 hit wonder.

 

[Adz]

can anyone think of a coach who failed to play finals for 2-3 seasons after winning a flag and survived the job? off the top of my head i cant recall (pre 2000's?), most premiership coaches seem to make finals on a regular basis.

im worried if bevo is a 1 hit wonder.

Norm Smith back in the 50s?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Norm Smith back in the 50s?

so would you say if bevo cant get dogs playing finals by next season, he should go?

atm we are playing mccartney level of footy for over 1 year now

 

[Adz]

so would you say if bevo cant get dogs playing finals by next season, he should go?

atm we are playing mccartney level of footy for over 1 year now

If you guys aren’t back in finals 2020 or there abouts then yes. Can’t have another year in the bottom 4 or you’ll start to lose your stars.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Its not his third year of a rebuild though? This is year one. 2017 was about trying to go back to back as you naturally would after winning a flag. 2018 was about seeing whether 2017 was just a bump in the road. He coached it like we were still trying to milk another premiership from the squad. Why would the club immediately after the 2016 flag decide its rebuild time? Bevo admitted in his press conference a few weeks back that the last couple of years they were trying to chase another flag, but this year is about the future and onwards. He still has a couple of years to show something.

Doesn't explain why a young team that won a flag in 2016 needs a rebuild though. Something is very wrong if that happens.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Doesn't explain why a young team that won a flag in 2016 needs a rebuild though. Something is very wrong if that happens.

we never had a stable "spine" . tbh it wasnt a top14 spine and those players who played in those positions wernt in the future plans.

then something happened internally at the club around the bye period of 2017 and since then its been all shit.

a lot of players have regressed and not a lot of improvement particular KPP. our age profile has been out of sync going back from 2015 and its still an issue. players aged 26+ (exc sucking) are either borderline best 22 or cooked.

 

[janty]

"Saints and Carlton won and we need to talk about a coach's job security every week in the AFL media"

 

[Wallaby]

Doesn't explain why a young team that won a flag in 2016 needs a rebuild though. Something is very wrong if that happens.

It was won on a gameplan more than the players' natural abilities. The team was well-coached, and everybody bought into it. Plus, the team was fit and firing during finals. Great win. Coach deserves huge amounts of credit.

The gameplan has been countered by other teams, and now they have to adapt.

 

[Draft Pick]

It was won on a gameplan more than the players' natural abilities. The team was well-coached, and everybody bought into it. Plus, the team was fit and firing during finals. Great win. Coach deserves huge amounts of credit.

The gameplan has been countered by other teams, and now they have to adapt.

Good summation.

 

[Adz]

The more we see as time goes by suggests the players deserve the credit for 2016, not the coaches.

 

[dumb]

they've lost players from every line since their GF win. hamling, stringer, biggs, morris, m boyd, picken, dalhaus, roughead, clay smith. tom boyd not reaching his GF heights again. a few of those names were close to retirement either through age or as time turned out, injury.

they were unlucky to come up against an ordinary but developing side who could beat them at their contested game, not able to rely on their short defence or forward line.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

can anyone think of a coach who failed to play finals for 2-3 seasons after winning a flag and survived the job? off the top of my head i cant recall (pre 2000's?), most premiership coaches seem to make finals on a regular basis.

im worried if bevo is a 1 hit wonder.

West Coast made finals in '07 but missed in '08, '09 and '10 before rebounding again.

 

[Damon_3388]

Beveridge needs to stop playing promising young stick insects and set about building a mature, well balanced side. He can actually coach, and is great at getting the most out of players, but why is almost everyone he picks under the age of 22?

Most of their mature-age recruits or incoming players from other clubs seem to be injury-prone, or just not work out, or just leave.

Over the last couple of years, it would have been a good stop gap to have recruited guys like Matthew Lobbe (his tap work is average, but his physicality and bullocking work and tackling is very good for a ruckman) and even Anthony Miles or Michael Barlow (save your Rolls Royces like The Bont getting dinged up winning the ball), purely as cannon fodder and to do the grunt work and provide protection in the middle for other players.

Not sure if it's arrogance and overconfidence, or just stupidity, but they've failed to recognise how footy is evolving after the premiership, and how their list needs to be structured going forward to "stay up there" and ease the transition from the retirements/fade-outs of Matt Boyd, Bob Murphy, Dale Morris, Liam Picken, etc.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

I remember there was a rumor for Lobbe for pick 9 that Jason Mccartney wanted to do. There's no way do it that. Easy enough to say get x y or Z. I believe we used it on Naughton in the end.

 

[cecil]

Most of their mature-age recruits or incoming players from other clubs seem to be injury-prone, or just not work out, or just leave.

Over the last couple of years, it would have been a good stop gap to have recruited guys like Matthew Lobbe (his tap work is average, but his physicality and bullocking work and tackling is very good for a ruckman) and even Anthony Miles or Michael Barlow (save your Rolls Royces like The Bont getting dinged up winning the ball), purely as cannon fodder and to do the grunt work and provide protection in the middle for other players.

Not sure if it's arrogance and overconfidence, or just stupidity, but they've failed to recognise how footy is evolving after the premiership, and how their list needs to be structured going forward to "stay up there" and ease the transition from the retirements/fade-outs of Matt Boyd, Bob Murphy, Dale Morris, Liam Picken, etc.

A plodder inside mid is the last thing we need. Our main mids are Libba, Macrae, Bont, Wallis, Dunkley and now Bailey Smith. Mclean has been pushed out to a forward flank too. We need the coach to select more than two players over 195cm tall is the main thing.

 

[ManOfClay]

Doesn't explain why a young team that won a flag in 2016 needs a rebuild though. Something is very wrong if that happens.

What is your solution?

I know you just want to repeat over and over again bulldogs are bad after the mental anguish they caused you, but do you have any actual answers?

 

[Anja_Nees]

Worth taking a look at the age breakdown of the premiership side. A swarm of old blokes playing out of their skins and a lot of 20-22 year olds, with only a smattering of players in between.

We got career best footy out of Picken, Smith, M Boyd, Morris and Dickson in that finals series. Two had their careers ended by injury, Boyd ran out of steam and Morris and Dickson have barely been available since (Dickson is now cooked and Morris will surely have to pull the pin now). That’s hurt more than anything in terms of backing it up.

There have been some odd things happen (Stringer and Dahlhaus in particular) but that’s nowhere near the whole story.

I’m happy with the talent we have put together but I expect some patchy performance until English, Naughton, Richards, Smith and others get to around 50 games (which is being fast tracked). People forget how young a lot of our premiership players were at the time too.

In the meantime, more than anything we need to seriously correct our forward 50 entries and kicking at goal. Yesterday was terrible but seriously talk of getting rid of Beveridge is ridiculous and seems to come mostly from supporters of clubs with coaches who have underperformed themselves.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Kick straighter and you're a finals team.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Kick straighter and you're a finals team.

we have more issues than just kicking straight IMO

as many have pointed out, it seems bevos "aura" is gone. some say he is more a motivational coach rather than tactical.
if thats the case, can he get it back, or you think its gone for good?

it looks like he is a 1 trick pony

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

Why is Boyd going?

You haven’t heard?

 

[Adz]

My gut feel is he has lost the playing group or at least those from 2016 era.

 

[BF Tiger]

Bulldogs going backwards. Ignore the finals run in 2016 and he’s had two seasons of finals and likely three after that going backwards.