Universal Love LOL, WE'RE TERRIBLE AGAIN

[blitznu]

any of this in English?

**** this is where i come into play reading gibberish. Gambling problem bet on the AFL got a big fine was given weekly allowance from his wife so treated like a child. was part of drug scandal as an assistant at essendon. Yet is our head coach leading us to glory...

 

[Demon bhoy]

5+23 is worth more than 10+15 - 35 and 35

Had to dumb it down for the folks who keep pushing the duh 2 first rounders crap

If somebodys going to dumb something down your the man for the job, at the end of the day we rolled over and gave up the chance at 2 top end talents because the powers that be were shit scared some other dumb club was going to over pay for a fat mediocre fullback who couldn’t be ****ed rocking up to the first day of training in ok Nic.

If they’d given up a pick 35 which is what May is worth and about what we’d get now then we don’t have this conversation

 

[Topkent]

If they’d given up a pick 35 which is what May is worth and about what we’d get now then we don’t have this conversation

That's not living in reality.

 

[Demon bhoy]

Yeah I knew that, just wanted him to admit to his non-willingness to participate in an objective, reasonable discussion

More than happy to have the discussion but that will just become my opinion against yours, I think Tmac is a good player and you could make the case he’s more valuable due to the fact he’s proven he can be good at both ends.

I wasn’t convinced he could be great as the no 1 key forward and I’m still not, I would of liked Hogan to stay but he’s gone I think we should have done better out of the deal as a whole than May and Kk

 

[Demon bhoy]

That's not living in reality.

The reality is having given up a high pick for a 27 year old fullback he needed to be outstanding now and he couldn’t even get fit, I think the club blinked and GC are pissing themselves that they off loaded him for what they did

 

[Topkent]

The reality is having given up a high pick for a 27 year old fullback he needed to be outstanding now and he couldn’t even get fit, I think the club blinked and GC are pissing themselves that they off loaded him for what they did

I think basing a whole trade off 5 weeks is stupid.

 

[Demon bhoy]

I think basing a whole trade off 5 weeks is stupid.

That’s fair enough, I’m going off of what I’ve seen his whole career and I’m not that impressed that’s why I didn’t like the trade for what we gave up. For what its worth I hope he turns into a star it might help to stop me being a miserable prick

 

[PerfectFooty]

Wearing Melbourne stuff at home because you can't wear it in public again

#JustMelbourneThings

 

[PerfectFooty]

Wearing Melbourne stuff at home because you can't wear it in public again

#JustMelbourneThings

Then taking it off because you can't stand the sight of yourself in it

#JustMelbourneThings

 

[00Stinger]

 

[Cannon82]

5+23 is worth more than 10+15 - 35 and 35

Had to dumb it down for the folks who keep pushing the duh 2 first rounders crap

That's draft points - they're arbitrary values and it doesn't take into account talent or depth of the draft. It would have been nice to take a high pick into last year's draft given the evidence we've seen thus far... Not that I can recall what Adelaide did with their Lever picks.

Also, people keep pointing to the Lever trade like it was a success. Bloke has played 10 games for us, half of them terrible, and is off long-term with another knee problem. Absence must truly make the heart grow fonder because he's gone from decent key defender to godlike status since he hasn't played a game for a year or so. Our back half problems won't dry up (if and) when he comes back - he'll be better than SOS, Scarlett and Jakovich combined if he can shore up the back 50.

 

[Topkent]

That's draft points - they're arbitrary values and it doesn't take into account talent or depth of the draft. It would have been nice to take a high pick into last year's draft given the evidence we've seen thus far... Not that I can recall what Adelaide did with their Lever picks.

Also, people keep pointing to the Lever trade like it was a success. Bloke has played 10 games for us, half of them terrible, and is off long-term with another knee problem. Absence must truly make the heart grow fonder because he's gone from decent key defender to godlike status since he hasn't played a game for a year or so. Our back half problems won't dry up (if and) when he comes back - he'll be better than SOS, Scarlett and Jakovich combined if he can shore up the back 50.

Only using the points system to prove the 2 trades really weren't grossly far apart like some suggest.

5 and 23 is better than 10 and 15.

 

[HANDSOLO]

It feels like we are turning on each other more than usual. Back in '14 when I joined, we were definitely more supportive of each other and hopeful.

I guess it's like, when you are young and poor and hopeful of making it big in LA, sure its tough, and you have to blow alot of people you don't want to, but everyone helps each other out and is excited about the good times to come

Then you get the fame and the money, and it's amazing but you think you will be doing lines off t***ies and swimming forever. then one day you crash your foreign car, the fuzz get's you with alot of banned substances, you go to the slammer for 6 months and remember you forgot to save any money. You'd stopped trying as hard before then, so cant really go back to your old career

Finally, you end up in a shitty condo on the valley, blowing alot of people you don't want to, but this time the hope of a better future has deserted you, and you remember what this high life are like so it's even worse. The rest of your life is one long anti climax.

And way too much dick.

 

[Demon bhoy]

That's draft points - they're arbitrary values and it doesn't take into account talent or depth of the draft. It would have been nice to take a high pick into last year's draft given the evidence we've seen thus far... Not that I can recall what Adelaide did with their Lever picks.

Also, people keep pointing to the Lever trade like it was a success. Bloke has played 10 games for us, half of them terrible, and is off long-term with another knee problem. Absence must truly make the heart grow fonder because he's gone from decent key defender to godlike status since he hasn't played a game for a year or so. Our back half problems won't dry up (if and) when he comes back - he'll be better than SOS, Scarlett and Jakovich combined if he can shore up the back 50.

Using the points system is a poor way to assess trades to say the least, As you said doesn’t take into account any other factors, age, that years draft strength, professionalism etc.

I was a fan of the Lever trade, could make the case dees over paid but the crows stood firm and we coughed up, not unlike Carlton with Gibbs or Geelong with west coast, but as you point out it doesn’t look good right now, what we’ve seen in a Melbourne jumper has not been good both play and injury wise. Fingers crossed he a May can turn it around theres a shit load invested in both and neither can afford to be anything less than very good

 

[Grimesy87]

Using the points system is a poor way to assess trades to say the least, As you said doesn’t take into account any other factors, age, that years draft strength, professionalism etc.

I was a fan of the Lever trade, could make the case dees over paid but the crows stood firm and we coughed up, not unlike Carlton with Gibbs or Geelong with west coast, but as you point out it doesn’t look good right now, what we’ve seen in a Melbourne jumper has not been good both play and injury wise. Fingers crossed he a May can turn it around theres a shit load invested in both and neither can afford to be anything less than very good

It's just moronic thinking we paid over for lever. You obviously think we do. Since you hinted at it.

Lever got injured just after he started to look like he was settling in. You might not have any inside goss, or might only have heard minimal about it, but lever would be one of, if not our best, leaders if he was on the ground. Potting him, as many others on here are right now, is just scapegoating.

And this whole draft pick wankfest over getting pick 15 or 23 or whatever it was to be, as topkent points out, is equally as mundane.

Tell me this, would you, or any one else here, be happy if we got back pick 23 and used it on say, Sydney stack?

 

[Topkent]

That’s fair enough, I’m going off of what I’ve seen his whole career and I’m not that impressed that’s why I didn’t like the trade for what we gave up. For what its worth I hope he turns into a star it might help to stop me being a miserable prick

Nah it's melbourne mate there's always the next thing.

 

[Demon bhoy]

It's just moronic thinking we paid over for lever. You obviously think we do. Since you hinted at it.

Lever got injured just after he started to look like he was settling in. You might not have any inside goss, or might only have heard minimal about it, but lever would be one of, if not our best, leaders if he was on the ground. Potting him, as many others on here are right now, is just scapegoating.

And this whole draft pick wankfest over getting pick 15 or 23 or whatever it was to be, as topkent points out, is equally as mundane.

Tell me this, would you, or any one else here, be happy if we got back pick 23 and used it on say, Sydney stack?

I’m a fan of the Lever trade and the player himself, right age right type I have no inside knowledge at all but from all accounts is a good team mate and professional, I was having a go at being balanced clearly not something I’m very good at by acknowledging it hasn’t gone great so far but fingers crossed on him and May being the players the club needs them to be

 

[00Stinger]

**** Sake lets go over this again

We got 5 and 23. What did you think we should get

5+23 is worth more than 10+15 - 35 and 35

Had to dumb it down for the folks who keep pushing the duh 2 first rounders crap

tbf using draft points to rate picks is pretty ****ing stupid.

Fact of the matter is that we let Hogan go too cheaply as the club played its hand too early. Argue all you want, that is a fact.

We did the same with Lever who despite everything you hear on here only played 2 or 3 good games for us.

I know you are on record as not rating Hogan, so your always going to side against anything positive in regards to him, that is fine, that is your prerogative.

There are many problems to our game at the moment and Hogan wouldn't have fixed all of them, no doubt. But **** me you can't argue that he would be doing much better than the other spuds up forward have been.

 

[Topkent]

00Stinger

tbf using draft points to rate picks is pretty ******* stupid.

I agree but 2 years later people still don't understand the trade and are too lazy to research it so I presented it in multiple forms.

Fact of the matter is that we let Hogan go too cheaply as the club played its hand too early. Argue all you want, that is a fact.

Yeah because he has a clear drug an alcohol issue that was not improving at Melbourne

There are many problems to our game at the moment and Hogan wouldn't have fixed all of them, no doubt. But **** me you can't argue that he would be doing much better than the other spuds up forward have been.

No he wouldn't have. Our forward line is dysfunctional, the entries are terrible and the ground level pressure is shit.

Hogan relied on space an using his tank. None of those goals on offer this year. His contested marking is poor that's many people's opinions not just mine.
Plus he was the worst of our forwards at pressure so yeah we could feasibly have been worse.


In fact we gave them 10+15 + 4th rounder which they used to swap for pick 40 and get Andrew McPherson

For Lever, Petty and a pick which we swapped with the saints to get Jordan.

 

[00Stinger]

Yeah because he has a clear drug an alcohol issue that was not improving at Melbourne

Not the only one who likes the gear at the club. Going back to Perth with his mates only exacerbated his issues

Hell many top players have liked the gear and have had great careers. Come on you know that is a cheap excuse

No he wouldn't have. Our forward line is dysfunctional, the entries are terrible and the ground level pressure is shit.

Hogan relied on space an using his tank. None of those goals on offer this year. His contested marking is poor that's many people's opinions not just mine.
Plus he was the worst of our forwards at pressure so yeah we could feasibly have been worse.

McDonald has kicked 2 goals and laid 8 tackles in 5 games this year and Weideman hasn't been much better. So no, I don't think we could have been much worse.

Plus having Hogan means that he takes the best defender and draws opposition players to him, hence improving other around him. Look at how much better other Freo forwards like Tabaner and McCarthy (fair enough r1 Hogan didnt play) are with Hogan in the team.

 

[Topkent]

Not the only one who likes the gear at the club. Going back to Perth with his mates only exacerbated his issues

Hell many top players have liked the gear and have had great careers. Come on you know that is a cheap excuse




McDonald has kicked 2 goals and laid 8 tackles in 5 games this year and Weideman hasn't been much better. So no, I don't think we could have been much worse.

Plus having Hogan means that he takes the best defender and draws opposition players to him, hence improving other around him. Look at how much better other Freo forwards like Tabaner and McCarthy (fair enough r1 Hogan didnt play) are with Hogan in the team.

HOGAN HAS 4 GOALS AND 6 TACKLES WOOPDY ****ING DOO

Completely ignoring again that McDonald took the best forwsrd because he was playing better last year and both played much better without him in our best 4 games of the season

 

[Demon bhoy]

Not the only one who likes the gear at the club. Going back to Perth with his mates only exacerbated his issues

Hell many top players have liked the gear and have had great careers. Come on you know that is a cheap excuse




McDonald has kicked 2 goals and laid 8 tackles in 5 games this year and Weideman hasn't been much better. So no, I don't think we could have been much worse.

Plus having Hogan means that he takes the best defender and draws opposition players to him, hence improving other around him. Look at how much better other Freo forwards like Tabaner and McCarthy (fair enough r1 Hogan didnt play) are with Hogan in the team.

It’s hard to understand the hate for Hogan from Melbourne supporters, rising star winner one of the best key forwards in the comp with his best days in front of him and under contract and they turned that into a fat fullback but your a dickhead if your not comfortable with that

 

[Topkent]

It’s hard to understand the hate for Hogan from Melbourne supporters, rising star winner one of the best key forwards in the comp with his best days in front of him and under contract and they turned that into a fat fullback but your a dickhead if your not comfortable with that

Joins other superstar players like Taylor, Palmer, Pearce and Mills.

they turned that into a fat fullback but your a dickhead if your not comfortable with that

Thats an immature dickhead way to assess a 5 game trade yeah.

 

[00Stinger]

HOGAN HAS 4 GOALS AND 6 TACKLES WOOPDY ******* DOO

Completely ignoring again that McDonald took the best forwsrd because he was playing better last year and both played much better without him in our best 4 games of the season

so because we played better with Hogan for 4 games that takes away the fact we have been shit without him for 6 games without him?

That logic is pretty dumb dude

 

[00Stinger]

It’s hard to understand the hate for Hogan from Melbourne supporters, rising star winner one of the best key forwards in the comp with his best days in front of him and under contract and they turned that into a fat fullback but your a dickhead if your not comfortable with that

Yep. It is amzaing that everyone is happy we let him go for unders and used that unders to bring in a fat, underwhelming and undisciplined full back