Bill Shorten - how long?

[Kwality]

not the sharpest tool.

Concede that, must have been a roads scholar.

 

[NSWCROW]

Concede that, must have been a roads scholar.

I can't talk , i'm a master debator

 

[Balls In]

And the LNP policies are.........?

Just for clarity - "but Labor" is not a policy

Tax relief, a return to surplus and a competently implemented energy policy.

 

[Pessimistic]

What was NEG? Scomo and Fryzo wanted it.

Only Labor can deliver. And will work towards tax relief and suplus, or at least be no worse than LNP

 

[Father Jack]

Tax relief, a return to surplus and a competently implemented energy policy.

 

[QuietB]

Tax relief, a return to surplus and a competently implemented energy policy.

Tax relief is not a policy - it is something the LNP gift to rich people

Surplus is not a policy - it is something they have not managed for 6 years - in fact they have doubled Australia's debt and have nothing to show for it and their only remote chance of achieving it is to steal it from disabled people

Completely implemented energy policy - lol - again something they have not managed to achieve in the 6 years they have had.

The LNP are a joke. The only people who will vote for them are the people who are too rusted on and blinded to accept that they are supporting out and out campaigners.

 

[Sainteric]

That's an interesting take on things.. How do you figure they're down 3 in the senate?

Here's an article which discusses the likely makeup of the next Senate:
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...of-power-and-which-minor-parties-will-survive

The article's author predicts that Labor/Greens will pick up an extra seat in NSW, and is a good chance of gaining an extra seat in SA, Tas, and the ACT. The SA seat is likely to go to Centre Alliance (former NXT) if it doesn't go to Labor/Greens, it won't be going to the Liberals.

The LNP are likely to gain a seat in NSW, where Lleyonhelm's replacement and Bryan Burston (UAP, former Odd Notion) are now fighting for one position. On the other hand, they have 3 seats up for grabs in SA and they're only expected to hold 2 of them.

I can't see the greens picking up any they have 6 up for re election and only 3 left, I posted this somewhere else, but any way 76 senate seats 38 up for election. The 38 up vs what is left. Without the 4 in the act/NT which are 2 and 2

Alp 11. 13
Libs. 10. 14
Green. 6. 3
Nats. 3. 2
Centre A. _. 2
Bernardi. _. 1
Hanson. 1. 1 Hanson herself
Hinch. 1.
Anning. 1.
UAP. 1.
LDP 1.
Ind. 1.


So alot of the loonies are up and won't get re elected. Central Alliance have rejected the super tax and the rest of Bowens tax package. You can't see Bernardi or Hanson voting for it.

So what we have is left 16 to centre 20; the alp and greens have to pick up 21 senate seats to getting their agenda through leaving the libs/nats and others with 15 seats. Assuming the act/NT
With where we are now I don't see this happening not in the senate.

 

[Balls In]

Tax relief is not a policy - it is something the LNP gift to rich people

Wut?

 

[Sainteric]

Many seem easy to dog whistle and too easily buy into regressive policies, that's for sure.

I lived in Qld for 10 years dealing with heavy industry up north it's a different world above brisbane, mind you brisbane was like that too 20+ years ago

 

[Sainteric]

The Greens at least stand for something.

When does Palmer start promoting monorails - it cannot be far away.

The greens stand for things sure but they are not realistic their energy policy is the equivalent of a monorail from Cairns to Melbourne

 

[NSWCROW]

Tax relief, a return to surplus and a competently implemented energy policy.

GET OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!!

 

[QuietB]

I can't see the greens picking up any they have 6 up for re election and only 3 left, I posted this somewhere else, but any way 76 senate seats 38 up for election. The 38 up vs what is left

Alp 11. 13
Libs. 10. 14
Green. 6. 3
Nats. 3. 2
Centre A. _. 2
Bernardi. _. 1
Hanson. 1. 1 Hanson herself
Hinch. 1.
Anning. 1.
UAP. 1.
LDP 1.
Ind. 1.


So alot of the loonies are up and won't get re elected. Central Alliance have rejected the super tax and the rest of Bowens tax package. You can't see Bernardi or Hanson voting for it.

So what we have is left 16 to centre 20; the alp and greens have to pick up 23 senate seats to getting their agenda through leaving the libs/nats and others with 13 seats. With where we are now I don't see this happening not in the senate.

In the words of little Jonny - mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate mandate.............

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

They are certifiable

Royal commission on child abuse. Check.

Political donations reform. Check.

Federal anti-corruption body. Check.

Real action on climate, not platitudes. Check.

Yep.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Unlike Keating and Hawke who had the unions in their back pockets, Bill is owned by the unions.

On what do you base this quaint theory, other than a desire for it to be actually true?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

As if Labor can ever achieve a strong economy..

The IMF says they do just fine economically. But you'd know better, I guess.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Of course he doesnt want to talk about his policies they are probably the worst ever proposed by a political party in Australia. High taxes, dismantling of our power network, more debt and a weak economy.

What, even higher than Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison?

Wow, that is high, given that Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison have been the second highest-taxing Australian government in 40 years after Howard.

 

[Vader]

As previously noted, quite accurately, by Sainteric, here are the senators who are up for election this time around:

NSW
1x Nat
1x ALP
1x Green
1x Lib
1x Lib Democrat
1x UAP

My Prediction:
2x Lab
1x Green
2x LNP
1x Odd Notion

QLD
2x ALP
1x Lib
1x Nat
1x F-wit (Anning)
1x Greens

My Prediction:
Anning replaced by Robertson (Odd Notion). Status quo remains for the other 5 seats.

SA
3x Lib
1x ALP
1x Green
1x Independent (ex-Central Alliance)

My Prediction:
2x Lib
2x ALP
1x Green
1x Central Alliance

Tas
3x ALP
1x Green
1x Lib
1x Nat

My Prediction:
No change

Vic
Hinch
2x ALP
2x Lib
1x Green

My Prediction:
No change, though there's a slim chance of the ALP picking up the Libs' 2nd seat given how badly the Libs are polling in Victoria.

WA
2x ALP
2x Lib
1x Odd Notion
1x Green

My Prediction:
No change.

ACT
1x ALP
1x Lib

My Prediction:
Zed (Lib) loses his seat to the Greens.

NT
1x ALP
1x CLP

My Prediction:
No change.

That would give us..
15x Labor (+2 on current - possibly +3 depending on Victoria)
13x LNP (-2 on current - possibly -3 depending on Victoria)
7x Green (+1)
3x Odd Notion (+2)
1x Hinch (+0)
1x Central Alliance (+1)
0x Lib Dems (-1)
0x Anning Nazis (-1)
0x UAP (-1)
0x Storer (-1)

With Labor & Greens having 13+3 seats already, that makes a total of 38 (possibly 39). They're still reliant on getting 1 vote from the cross-bench, and I would be surprised if they can't work with Hinch and the Central Alliance senators.

 

[NSWCROW]

What, even higher than Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison?

Wow, that is high, given that Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison have been the second highest-taxing Australian government in 40 years after Howard.

You'd think he'd get sick of being made a goose of constantly

 

[AM]

Tick! JT. Great player. Great political nous too apparently.

 

[Kram]

Anyone else notice that Shorten runs like a fairy?

 

[AM]

Anyone else notice that Shorten runs like a fairy?

Your opinion counts for zilch. JT's count for plenty. Suck it up!

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The faceless men (and this time at least one woman)have always been the handful of top union overlords that control the alp

IPA?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Why the ALP will win the house but they are 3 down in the senate, the greens will probably lose at least 2 senators and the destructive tax agenda on retirees and others will thankfully not get through.

Sco Mo has done better than I thought but that's probably because bill has done badly but I still accept he will win

So I guess you are going to stroll around the day after the Election with a big "L" on your forehead

 

[Badesumofu]

All this talk about 'the unions' like it's a dirty word. You know who 'the unions' are? They are the nurse in the hospital pulling an 18 hour shift to make sure you get the care you need. They are the firies putting their lives on the line to protect your home (close to 100% density, too). They're the people working at 4 AM on a Sunday to pull your drunken arse another beer. Unions ARE their members, and that's who their members are.

When Scummo complains about 'union thugs' peacefully protesting, that's who he's calling 'thug'.

What the people who work for unions want is to make things better for working people. Mate, I WISH that Sally McManus was pulling all the strings, heck I wish she was the person about to become PM on May 18th. But looking at the ALP's policy platform, I'll happily take them as the next best thing. The personality or manner of the leader doesn't mean shit. It's the team and it's the policies. It's the direction that we need to take this country in.

But oh no, forget that the IPA, the banks, Angus Taylor's Cayman islands corporation, and a convicted pedophile are the ones pulling the strings of the Liberal Party - what would be REALLY TERRIBLE was if the UNIONS had a bit more influence.

WORKERS UNITED
WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED !!

That's a great chant, and really central to what we're about. But my personal favourite union chant is a lesser known one:

THEY DON'T LIKE US?
WE DON'T CARE!!

 

[Kram]

I wonder how many posters on this board have actually been in a union themselves.