Women's Footy AFLW Bulldogs - 2022 Round 1 vs Demons

[jatz14]

The league should have intro a fixed compo system something like when FA are lost at afl.

Fixed compo doesn't really work in the current environment. With state based drafts, and even the Vic draft broken up into zones, a fixed system itself isn't fair. Picks mean different things based on where you are. Trading is also hard.

We have a make it up as you go along system, but it's what they had to do imop,at least through this expansion period.

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[geoffjennings79]

AFLW - a broken system to start with, made worse every year. No forward planning, other than "get more clubs in asap". A figure-head boss of women's football wheeled out as required to offer mindless spin, while a bunch of blokes behind the scenes are too busy chasing females around AFL headquarters to focus on the actual game. And players who "need a change" after a dozen games. Yet there are constant claims of professionalism - hard to detect any.

 

[footscray1973]

AFLW - a broken system to start with, made worse every year. No forward planning, other than "get more clubs in asap". A figure-head boss of women's football wheeled out as required to offer mindless spin, while a bunch of blokes behind the scenes are too busy chasing females around AFL headquarters to focus on the actual game. And players who "need a change" after a dozen games. Yet there are constant claims of professionalism - hard to detect any.

This should be the Wikipedia entry for AFLW, well done.

 

[Pugz89]

Not at all.

Richmond is going to 'spend' pick 1 on Conti either way.

So we present the bulldogs with a choice.

Option a) You give us a good pick back, and we'll make it a trade, so you'll get pick 1
Option b) We take her in the draft and you get nothing.

So the Bulldogs can either upgrade <negotiated pick> to pick 1 or get nothing...Either way they lose Conti.

Or you could just give us pick 1 for Conti without an extra pick going back your way.

 

[jatz14]

From the AFL website on the draft.

Priority picks were given out on the basis of the number of signings made.

Expansion clubs could sign 12 players, if they did not, eg Richmond, they got priority picks to make up the difference.

Clubs with multiple priority picks in a round can only trade 1.

Rationale, Eagles as an example signed a lot of players, many better than players they might expect to get in the draft. For them, good recruiting to the max allowed was a better option than drafting more players. They only get 1 priority pick, and it's not in the first round.

Richmond took fewer players. They get priority picks instead. For the AFL to give Richmond fewer picks, they would have had to take more players from other clubs.

Because late draft picks are not likely to be as good as established players from other clubs, Richmond has better placed priority picks than the Eagles.

The limit on trading priority picks stops them double dipping. They cannot get a handful of very good players, get good priority picks, then trade the priority picks for more good established players.

I think Richmond's strategy is riskier, and they certainly haven't been given some massive advantage by the AFL.

Over the last 2 seasons it's been shown you get maybe 3 young players who hit the ground running, and another 6- 10 who are solid contributors, with the rest needing further development.

If Richmond get Conti and nail the draft, they look good. If they blow the draft, they are pretty screwed. Likely they fall somewhere in the middle.

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[Oliver G]

Conti for Pick 1 - Confirmed

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Not at all.

Richmond is going to 'spend' pick 1 on Conti either way.

So we present the bulldogs with a choice.

Option a) You give us a good pick back, and we'll make it a trade, so you'll get pick 1
Option b) We take her in the draft and you get nothing.

So the Bulldogs can either upgrade <negotiated pick> to pick 1 or get nothing...Either way they lose Conti.

And the Bulldogs will never trade easily with Richmond again, and set up future hassles for you, is one player worth that?

 

[DogDays]

Joke... AFLW has now become a joke.


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[AuTo00Z]

Not at all.

Richmond is going to 'spend' pick 1 on Conti either way.

So we present the bulldogs with a choice.

Option a) You give us a good pick back, and we'll make it a trade, so you'll get pick 1
Option b) We take her in the draft and you get nothing.

So the Bulldogs can either upgrade <negotiated pick> to pick 1 or get nothing...Either way they lose Conti.

So the AFL handed you pick #1 to ensure that you get Conti no matter what, and now you're demanding more? Really? Talk about being spoilt and greedy...

 

[Doggstats]

I'm done with this joke of a competition.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Not at all.

Richmond is going to 'spend' pick 1 on Conti either way.

So we present the bulldogs with a choice.

Option a) You give us a good pick back, and we'll make it a trade, so you'll get pick 1
Option b) We take her in the draft and you get nothing.

So the Bulldogs can either upgrade <negotiated pick> to pick 1 or get nothing...Either way they lose Conti.

Problem is, that is a really indecent stance to take - transparently designed to screw us over to the maximum. Not good business practice for the long-term I'd say.

 

[Sentinel]

Just saw we got pick 4 in the draft (before the priority selections were added), behind Collingwood, Brisbane and the Giants. So you'd naturally think they've ordered all teams into a single ladder based on wins and %, rendering the conference system totally irrelevant to the draft order.

Except North (who won 5 games and finished 3rd in their conference) got pick 6, over Geelong (who won 3 games and finshed 2nd in their conference), who got pick 7.

So maybe the conference system does count, but only sometimes?

 

[W W Biscuit]

So does anyone know...who is the most outstanding young prospect in the land that we'll be taking with our number one pick in the draft?

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Just saw we got pick 4 in the draft (before the priority selections were added), behind Collingwood, Brisbane and the Giants. So you'd naturally think they've ordered all teams into a single ladder based on wins and %, rendering the conference system totally irrelevant to the draft order.

Except North (who won 5 games and finished 3rd in their conference) got pick 6, over Geelong (who won 3 games and finshed 2nd in their conference), who got pick 7.

So maybe the conference system does count, but only sometimes?

I think that's exactly what its potentially meant to be possibly.

 

[AuTo00Z]

Well in better news Angelica Gogos & Elyse Gamble both signed new one year deals today. Also, Jessie Davies and Tessa Boyd have been delisted.

 

[Ant_]

The whole thing is manufactured, AFL gave Richmond pick 1 to get Conti.

 

[The Inbetweener]

With all our high profile players leaving as soon as they ccould. I would expect there was a reason and without knowing any better I would expect we need to up our game in the salary or player treatment departments if we're going to try to keep these ladies in the future.
I don't fault low loyalty when there is such a large discrepancy between the higher payed and lower paid players. Especially given the fact there is no history to speak of within these club so nothing to be "loyal" toward apart from a couple of years of on-field support (with very little in the way of off-field/off-season support).
Let the players move heavily early, encourage competition and really drive the whole AFLW sport to be more professional. I was watching Instagram posts of Ellie Blackburn working as a Safeway checkout girl last year. One of the best in the comp. They deserve better and a highly competitive competition breeds a better outcome for all these players.

Well done to all the players that have moved on for presumably better packages, now up your game doggies management. Do better with your current players!

Decent call. Paraphrasing a bit but I noted Conti saying something like she found Richmond to be a really professional environment when it came to AFLW. With both her and Katie going, there could certainly be something in that

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

So does anyone know...who is the most outstanding young prospect in the land that we'll be taking with our number one pick in the draft?

Whoever she is, expect her to spend one year at the Dogs then **** off somewhere else next year.

 

[Oliver G]

Whoever she is, expect her to spend one year at the Dogs then **** off somewhere else next year.

I know your only saying it as tongue in cheek, but Huntington hasn't gone and she went #1, also the #1 pick this year will almost certainly be on a two year contract.

On a side note by ratio player movements are actually down this year anyway. 29 players changed club during 2018 with 10 clubs, as of yesterday (still a few days to go) 34 players have moved during 2019.

On a further side note expansion will settle after this year anyway so major player movements will certainly go down. This has also been helped by the introduction of two year contracts.

 

[Pugz89]

I know your only saying it as tongue in cheek, but Huntington hasn't gone and she went #1, also the #1 pick this year will almost certainly be on a two year contract.

On a side note by ratio player movements are actually down this year anyway. 29 players changed club during 2018 with 10 clubs, as of yesterday (still a few days to go) 34 players have moved during 2019.

On a further side note expansion will settle after this year anyway so major player movements will certainly go down. This has also been helped by the introduction of two year contracts.

More clubs coming in next season though, so I'd assume one more silly season after this.

 

[Slack Nang]

Ah, It's hard to be an AFLW fan ATM


There is absolutely nothing to what Aaron says at all. If you want more info on that, ask Katie Brennan. What level of support did she receive when she took the AFL to the Human Rights Commision, remember that?

The Footscray Football Club have been leaders in bringing the AFLW into existence and think about the players we have retained. Is Ellie Blackburn a better footballer than Katie brennan? Of course she is. I Would rather Ange Gogos doing what she does best than watching Emma Kearney butcher the ball from half back. Hannah Scott, Nicole Callinan et al have given us their all

Think about it. Moana Hope was the poster for AFLW and after three years she is without a club. Our success in developing players is the reason why we are being raided, but if you have concerns, spend some time watching the u/18's champs, as I have this long weekend

This expansion period is ugly but necessary. What is coming will be truly worthwhile

Having said that though, katie has earned our scorn in every way

 

[Munnez]

So the AFL handed you pick #1 to ensure that you get Conti no matter what, and now you're demanding more? Really? Talk about being spoilt and greedy...

Entitled springs to mind

 

[Munnez]

I know your only saying it as tongue in cheek, but Huntington hasn't gone and she went #1, also the #1 pick this year will almost certainly be on a two year contract.

On a side note by ratio player movements are actually down this year anyway. 29 players changed club during 2018 with 10 clubs, as of yesterday (still a few days to go) 34 players have moved during 2019.

On a further side note expansion will settle after this year anyway so major player movements will certainly go down. This has also been helped by the introduction of two year contracts.

If the godfather type money being offered are true there will be a lot more high profile moves. Deepest pockets collect the best list, creating one sided contest which will quickly kill the interest in the comp

 

[Munnez]

Question: if Richmond and West Coast are playing their Marquee players over $100,000 each, are we able to do the same if we wanted?

Can't see us having the cash to be able to do that even if we wanted too

 

[gangsta deluxe]

A deadset disgrace. They wanted Richmond to have one of our best players. Why? What integrity is there in this competition?

They’re more interested in collecting new fans than having a league of substance. It demonstrates the cynical attitude they’ve had about women’s footy from the outset. Completely unacceptable.