Non Lions Discussion 2019

[bungalow_bill]

Hogan would of made such a difference, they appear to have no one in that forward zone to take a contested mark one on one.

Hoping T.McDonald and Weideman would suffice

 

[Hollow Knight]

Christian FlatTracker was at his lazy best tonight. God he must be beyond frustrating to have in your team.

 

[carnthemlions]

Yeah **** the private school boys from good families off I say. Anywhere north of Albury they're playing union and preparing for their second careers in finance, which is fine because at least most people don't have to hear about them.

Christian FlatTracker was at his lazy best tonight. God he must be beyond frustrating to have in your team.

Amazingly the commentators still get excited whenever he goes near the ball.

 

[Milux]

Loved in the first qtr Gus Brayshaw gets the ball and a commentator says 'you know he will hit a target' or something along those lines. Kids going at around 60%. Far from guaranteed to hit a target.

 

[POBT]

Christian FlatTracker was at his lazy best tonight. God he must be beyond frustrating to have in your team.

I thought he was up and about in the first quarter and then completely disappeared.

 

[POBT]

Oliver appears to have lost all explosiveness to his game. He still can win the footy but there’s no power to anything he does. What’s left is not all that impressive as his skills are really quite average.

 

[dlanod]

A huge mistake trading out Hogan.

Also trading pick 2 (Kelly) for Salem and a bag of chips

Hogan and Kelly would transform the Dees

Agreed on Hogan.

I can see why Melbourne did the other trade - the "bag of chips" was a pick 3 with two years development, so you're looking at pick 3 and 9 for pick 2 and something in the late teens (plus other stuff) which seems quite reasonable... until you insert what we know about each player now. It's really a hindsight trade failure.

 

[POBT]

Agreed on Hogan.

I can see why Melbourne did the other trade - the "bag of chips" was a pick 3 with two years development, so you're looking at pick 3 and 9 for pick 2 and something in the late teens (plus other stuff) which seems quite reasonable... until you insert what we know about each player now. It's really a hindsight trade failure.

Yeah, had they have drafted Cripps who went four picks later, it would be a genius move. That’s the difference between strategy and execution.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Didn't Hogan want to leave though?

Also, there was a lot of panic in Melbourne's ball handling.

 

[Scubaveg]

Christian FlatTracker was at his lazy best tonight. God he must be beyond frustrating to have in your team.

But he wants to be one of the all time greats...


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[CarterS]

Melbourne lucky to lose by what they did. Could have been 100. Would imagine it would be a pretty frustrating time being a Dees supporter. You would have started year thinking you are genuine flag chance, now you are 1-5. What has happened to them?

How much longer before coach is in trouble?

 

[deklares]

Didn't Hogan want to leave though?

Also, there was a lot of panic in Melbourne's ball handling.

Soon to become a free agent aswell. Not sure there was much more Melbourne could have done.

 

[marooned]

Melbourne were happy for him to go with his off field issues.

 

[briztoon]

Yeah **** the private school boys from good families off I say. Anywhere north of Albury they're playing union and preparing for their second careers in finance, which is fine because at least most people don't have to hear about them.

Amazingly the commentators still get excited whenever he goes near the ball.

I'm really not sure why the focus on Private School kids.

Stack was genuinely in discussion as the most talented kid in WA last year, but "rumours" came out pretty early that he had some serious off field issues going on.

I can't tell you what the off field issues were because I don't know.

I do know there was a lot of discussion from the WA draft watchers just before the draft that neither WA team was going to draft him because of what ever Stack had going on.

He was bypassed in the National Draft and Rookie draft. Obviously what ever was going on in his personal life was enough to scare every team off.

My guess is that Richmond brought him in because they lost their midfield depth during the trade period.


And so the story of Stack living with the coach now gets told.


Obviously had to get out of WA to succeed. Great pick up by Richmond, and I hope the kid does well on and off the field.

 

[jackess]

His on field performance wouldn't surprise the list management people at clubs. I can't see how anything has changed. He could still fall apart off the field which was clearly a massive risk in the opinions of recruiters

 

[bungalow_bill]

But he wants to be one of the all time greats...


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Melbourne were happy for him to go with his off field issues.

That was my impression, half pushed out the door thinking that they had the forward line covered with T.McDonald and Weideman

 

[mpal6]

Yeah, had they have drafted Cripps who went four picks later, it would be a genius move. That’s the difference between strategy and execution.

Passing on Wines for Toumpas as they had Viney from the same draft... they've been doing this for a while now.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

I'm really not sure why the focus on Private School kids.

Stack was genuinely in discussion as the most talented kid in WA last year, but "rumours" came out pretty early that he had some serious off field issues going on.

I can't tell you what the off field issues were because I don't know.

I do know there was a lot of discussion from the WA draft watchers just before the draft that neither WA team was going to draft him because of what ever Stack had going on.

He was bypassed in the National Draft and Rookie draft. Obviously what ever was going on in his personal life was enough to scare every team off.

My guess is that Richmond brought him in because they lost their midfield depth during the trade period.


And so the story of Stack living with the coach now gets told.


Obviously had to get out of WA to succeed. Great pick up by Richmond, and I hope the kid does well on and off the field.

Had bad family issues like during the whole combine his family caused scenes that turned ppl off. He would rock up to training late because he lived so far away and was pretty much homeless at stages last year. Not getting drafted gave him a kick up the arse and he had to get out of wa for his own well-being

Has worked his arse off since coming over all pre season he’d run himself into the ground until he’d vomit multiple times a session deserves the rewards he’s now getting

 

[Hollow Knight]

We all wanted Toumpas so bad on this board to be fair. He looked Juddlike in his draft year.

One of the biggest wake-up calls to me that us armchair pundits are really just firing wildly in the dark when assessing players.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Had bad family issues like during the whole combine his family caused scenes that turned ppl off. He would rock up to training late because he lived so far away and was pretty much homeless at stages last year. Not getting drafted gave him a kick up the arse and he had to get out of wa for his own well-being

Has worked his arse off since coming over all pre season he’d run himself into the ground until he’d vomit multiple times a session deserves the rewards he’s now getting

Good get Tiges. He looks a massive win.

 

[mpal6]

We all wanted Toumpas so bad on this board to be fair. He looked Juddlike in his draft year.

One of the biggest wake-up calls to me that us armchair pundits are really just firing wildly in the dark when assessing players.

Toumpas didn't help at all by stating how crazy he was about Lions !!

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Good get Tiges. He looks a massive win.

Sumich is a massive wrap for him saying he’s a top 10 pick on talent so to get him for free is a win

But it’s more our culture they embraced him flaws and all and he’s put the work in

Xavier Clarke is a big part of it as well Sydney has just moved in with him and his family

When you hear bad issues you automatically think drugs or alcohol but supposedly that wasn’t the issue with Sydney himself.

While I’m here how’s Eli smith tracking?

 

[M Malice]

Sumich is a massive wrap for him saying he’s a top 10 pick on talent so to get him for free is a win

But it’s more our culture they embraced him flaws and all and he’s put the work in

Xavier Clarke is a big part of it as well Sydney has just moved in with him and his family

When you hear bad issues you automatically think drugs or alcohol but supposedly that wasn’t the issue with Sydney himself.

While I’m here how’s Eli smith tracking?

Eli is tracking really well, putting some good form together in the NEAFL, he's a very rough chance to come into the side for this weekend as a replacement on the inside for Mathieson. He looks like a beast.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Eli is tracking really well, putting some good form together in the NEAFL, he's a very rough chance to come into the side for this weekend as a replacement on the inside for Mathieson. He looks like a beast.

Richmond board were in love with him and wanted him blokes a bull. Though can’t complain with man child ross 28 touches against Oliver

Hope to see him play soon

 

[carnthemlions]

I'm really not sure why the focus on Private School kids.

Stack was genuinely in discussion as the most talented kid in WA last year, but "rumours" came out pretty early that he had some serious off field issues going on.

I can't tell you what the off field issues were because I don't know.

I do know there was a lot of discussion from the WA draft watchers just before the draft that neither WA team was going to draft him because of what ever Stack had going on.

He was bypassed in the National Draft and Rookie draft. Obviously what ever was going on in his personal life was enough to scare every team off.

My guess is that Richmond brought him in because they lost their midfield depth during the trade period.


And so the story of Stack living with the coach now gets told.


Obviously had to get out of WA to succeed. Great pick up by Richmond, and I hope the kid does well on and off the field.

I'll never pass up an opportunity to have a dig at private schools

Aside from that, I feel like Brettig has a point re: the growing focus on recruiting nice boys from good schools, good families, the right background (it's almost always a class thing), the right family connections and so on.

We all wanted Toumpas so bad on this board to be fair. He looked Juddlike in his draft year.

One of the biggest wake-up calls to me that us armchair pundits are really just firing wildly in the dark when assessing players.

I think the wider point is that they aren't firing wildly in the dark, they're relying on what and who they know. Andrew McGrath (good player but that's not really what's being assessed half the time) was a recruiter's wet dream- Brighton Grammar, good family and all that shit (zzzz). James Aish- family heritage and footy world connections, already played for Norwood (would that opportunity be afforded to just anyone?).

All the talk of blanket off-field issues never seems to account for the fact that players might come from very different backgrounds, have very different levels of opportunity available to them and so on.