Preview Changes R6 v Geelong

[AsterixTheGaul]

I call bullshit on playing young. This is sounding like a club in denial on age of the team selected. Why? Simply put, we are not young but we have drafted a bunch of talented players that are on our list that we think are keepers. That is pretty standard in list management.

Looking at the age players will be turning during 2019, we are an average age of 26.45. THAT IS NOT YOUNG. It might be younger than the Dad's Army brigade of Geelong but that is an extreme benchmark.

On that list, we only have 4 players of the expected final 22 that will be 22 or under come year-end.

Player's age they turn during 2019 shown under name


Looking at the players under 22 and year they were drafted, it is not that of a wow factor


We need to stop thinking of Dom Sheed as young when his peer draft group are already club captains. They will be 24 this year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

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I call bullshit on playing young. This is sounding like a club in denial on age of the team selected. Why? Simply put, we are not young but we have drafted a bunch of talented players that are on our list that we think are keepers. That is pretty standard in list management.

Looking at the age players will be turning during 2019, we are an average age of 26.45. THAT IS NOT YOUNG. It might be younger than the Dad's Army brigade of Geelong but that is an extreme benchmark.

On that list, we only have 4 players of the expected final 22 that will be 22 or under come year-end.

Player's age they turn during 2019 shown under name

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Looking at the players under 22 and year they were drafted, it is not that of a wow factor
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We need to stop thinking of Dom Sheed as young when his peer draft group are already club captains. They will be 24 this year.

The “going young” was clearly referring to this week’s side.

If the changes are Brander and Venables for Vardy and Redden, which appears to be the case, then it’ll be a relatively young side out on the park.

And you’ve left Venables out of that last table for some reason.

 

[Dark Sharks]

This is all the WAFL fixtures fault again.



Amirite gaiz.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Even though I had him as an out in general I’d still prefer Masten to Smith. However, I’m low key hoping Smith comes in as well now just for the BigFooty content.

 

[campaigner___]

Adding another midfielder isn't really going to solve the issue of playing a mid out of position in the forward line.

And bringing him in to play as a forward doesn't help our already-top-heavy forward line.

I would have thought Mallen was the likely replacement for Redden given his midfield numbers in the 2's and ability to go forth and slot a snag.

I just can't get excited about Venables!

 

[DanWCE]

So where does Brander play if he plays? We aren't any shorter swapping Vardy out for him, although he is sublime to watch below his knees. We could use him at both ends, really, depending if Schoey is up for a big one in his old hood.

 

[DanWCE]

I would have thought Mallen was the likely replacement for Redden given his midfield numbers in the 2's and ability to go forth and slot a snag.

I just can't get excited about Venables!

That doesn't at all solve the balance problems we have. Sure, do the swap, but we'd need to get rid of another mid for Ven. And then you're getting rid of two experienced mids for a first gamer in a reasonably new position, plus Ven who is struggling for form.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why would you want our major ball winner in Gaff play Matson’s low production role
Just Palin stupid

I simply dont get this low production role and Masten. Playing off a wing?

If you were asking a player to play a low productuon role it would be great if they were quick and could impose themselves on a contest, lay a tackle or run down someone.

Why not get Vennables, Nelson or Watson to play it? Nelson is supposidly a decent kick when training and has built up his tank. He is quick, hard at it and has mongrel in him. He doesnt suit playing close to goal. And he is about to walk / get the boot because he cant get a crack and instead Masten at 30 is being gifted games playing alledgedly a 'low production role' he physically isnt suited to.

IMO the view on Masten is there are others who could play that role better and add more.

A few years ago I defended Masto a fair bit as we had no better options. That is no longer the case.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

People that use the 'if he is so bad why don't the selectors drop him?' argument need to simply look at the 2016 elimination final selection.

In: Mitch Brown - small forward.

This may have been a crazy selection. But you are crazy to think that was why we lost on that day

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Nelson, Mutimer and Vardy.

My reign of sponsorship terror continues unabated.

Fig and HT want to know if you can sponser Masten next year

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Venners played as a pure defensive forward last year, often getting high tackle numbers but low disposals. There is a vital role to play this week as we need to stop Geelong's rebounding Half Backs (Stewart, Thuohy etc).

Really? Was that his role in the first couple of rounds? I don't remember him doing much of anything, which is probably why he was dropped. Anyway, he's clearly teacher's pet as they were reluctant to drop him and have brought back despite ordinary form in the WAFL.

 

[campaigner___]

That doesn't at all solve the balance problems we have. Sure, do the swap, but we'd need to get rid of another mid for Ven. And then you're getting rid of two experienced mids for a first gamer in a reasonably new position, plus Ven who is struggling for form.

I'm saying in direct response to Redden being out for this week- bring in Mallen, not Ven. Ven's been struggling at WAFL level so far this season, can't see any reason to bring him in for his 3 touches this weekend...

Bring Redden back in as soon as he's fit.

 

[Obeanie1]

This all day long!..I'm no footy expert, but a lot of people clearly don't understand Masten's role. They just go on his 50/50 turnovers and stats. No-one acknowledges the precise spear kick-on-tit he can do or the kicks that end in a goal, let along his run to+link up role and creating space and overlap, but you've heard it all before I'm sure.

It's similar to Lecca and how he was hammered on here for lack of stats and low scoring. It wasn't necessarily his job. He actually said in an interview something like " I get criticised every week by fans for not kicking goals or my low scoring recently, but that's not my primary job anymore"
It always begs the question - if so many posters on here think Masten should go, WHY don't the selectors or MC think the same?? Why don't they drop Masten?? Think about it...
PS-agree with Garlic above!

Thats great. But is he the best player for that role? Given his limitations!

He does certainly wear down the opposition getting tackled and caught HTB as much as he does.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm saying in direct response to Redden being out for this week- bring in Mallen, not Ven. Ven's been struggling at WAFL level so far this season, can't see any reason to bring him in for his 3 touches this weekend...

Bring Redden back in as soon as he's fit.

Venables for Redden allows Sheed and Yeo to have more midfield minutes, which everyone’s been clamouring for, and allows Venables to play the role of pressure forward which he played all last year, and which we’ve been missing the last couple of weeks with Rioli our and Cripps down on form.

Allen for Redden means either Sheed and Yeo spend time out on the flank, or Allen spends that time there which gives us a forward line that includes Kennedy, Darling, Allen, Allen and Brander who are all well over 190cm.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I would have thought Mallen was the likely replacement for Redden given his midfield numbers in the 2's and ability to go forth and slot a snag.

I just can't get excited about Venables!

It’s not Venables for Redden, it’s Sheed for Redden, with Venables filling the now vacant HFF.

That’s a big tick in my book, we’ve all been crying out for a way to get Sheed more time on the ball.

Edit: What Miguel said.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

So where does Brander play if he plays? We aren't any shorter swapping Vardy out for him, although he is sublime to watch below his knees. We could use him at both ends, really, depending if Schoey is up for a big one in his old hood.

At a guess, he’ll play some minutes on the defensive wing and then play forward when Allen goes into the ruck.

 

[Luuuc]

Optus F***ing Stadium turf strikes again?

 

[wce4premiership]

Brander for Vardy will not be a like for like change, but given Vardy's form Brander would provide more run, better diposal, better marking, better second efforts and all for a loss of physicality around the contest.

Vardy is just out of touch though so hasn't been providing much of that.

 

[Astro7]

Thats great. But is he the best player for that role? Given his limitations!

He does certainly wear down the opposition getting tackled and caught HTB as much as he does.

Haha, quite right. He certainly wears down the posters here!!
Believe it or not, he is not the only player who gets tackled and caught HTB -the immortal Shuey, Yeo and Gaff are often caught, even Ryan and Rioli to name but a few...Cole, Sheppard, Gov, Hurn?
Anyway, I've put my M - muzzle on now.

So apart from the bad news of Redden's familiar injury, there should temporary happiness all round!
*The extra mid has gone. (just depends how they shuffle the deck?)
*Vardy out.
*1 ruckman with a pinch hitter.
*An extra forward.
*Some youth in.
(So these are the changes posters wanted, to create a winning team in their minds? If we lose does that mean they were wrong? If we win, was it because of the changes or a team hellbent on atonement?- So many variables in football. Do these changes all feel like desperation with a forced hand, or is there sound judgement in this selection?)
Let's hope the A-team rocks up on the day...to play.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I simply dont get this low production role and Masten. Playing off a wing?

If you were asking a player to play a low productuon role it would be great if they were quick and could impose themselves on a contest, lay a tackle or run down someone.

From where I’m sitting, Masten’s job on the wing doesn’t seem to be related to his ability to find the footy. Yes it would be nice if he had grunt to get his own ball and wasn’t knocked off the loose footy so ****ing easily, but citing his disposal count doesn’t strike me a fair measurement.

Jetta’s disposals per game have increased from 12 to 15 to 16 and now to a career high 18 during his time with the Eagles. Hurn, similarly, is getting the footy 26 times per game, a huge jump from his previous career high of 21 last season.

I defend Masten’s ball use more than most, but everyone on earth would rather Jetta and Hurn have the footy. Incidentally that is the case, with both going at career high levels of output. Masten’s role to cover the ground defensive is part of what frees those guys up to move further afield and use the footy more dangerously.

How many times after we turn it over or the opposition slingshot quickly down into their forwardline is Masten one of the deepest guys back? I can think of plenty of examples this season off the top of my head. That’s not a coincidence. If he’s as slow as everyone says he is, he clearly couldn’t cover the ground quickly enough after a turnover to get down there on his own. The answer is that he spends most of his time defensive side of the wing, which provides cover for our better and more damaging users to come up from defence and go surgical on everyone’s ass.

I’m not saying he’s infallible but it’s not fair to say “he’s on a wing, why isn’t he racking it up” when the point of his role is to help other (better) users be more aggressive knowing there’s a degree of a safety net if they try to make themselves available.

 

[30stm]

Out
Vardy
Masten
O Allen
In
Williams- can play forward/ruck - give the Wells/Cats a look of what could've with last years trade.
M Allen - mid/hff/def
Venables - hff crumber - rotate with the centre bounce

Gaff & Redden on wings. Gaff permanently wing.
Sheed/Yeo/Shuey centre with Redden rotating in the centre.

 

[FKASC]

But seriously Eagles, if you give Brander a hard away game then don’t retain him for the Gold Coast game, I’ll be most displeased.

It’ll def happen and it’ll def be frustrating as hell

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The “going young” was clearly referring to this week’s side.

If the changes are Brander and Venables for Vardy and Redden, which appears to be the case, then it’ll be a relatively young side out on the park.

And you’ve left Venables out of that last table for some reason.

Not sure why you think I missed Vanables - have a look on the HFF.

You say "Relatively young" but compared to what? Our previous line up or just Old Man Geelong? What would you call young? Brander and Venables for Vardy and Redden makes us younger but not young in my mind.

 

[avishka5]

Out
Vardy
Masten
O Allen
In
Williams- can play forward/ruck - give the Wells/Cats a look of what could've with last years trade.
M Allen - mid/hff/def
Venables - hff crumber - rotate with the centre bounce

Gaff & Redden on wings. Gaff permanently wing.
Sheed/Yeo/Shuey centre with Redden rotating in the centre.

Redden injured and DV has come into the 22.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Out
Vardy
Masten
O Allen
In
Williams- can play forward/ruck - give the Wells/Cats a look of what could've with last years trade.
M Allen - mid/hff/def
Venables - hff crumber - rotate with the centre bounce

Gaff & Redden on wings. Gaff permanently wing.
Sheed/Yeo/Shuey centre with Redden rotating in the centre.

Redden’s dead and the bolded changes would incur $40,000 in fines, but other than that I’m on board.