PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[Gold Member]

Is this good value for a mid range PC
im more of a console gamer but my pc is about 8 years old and kind of slow now.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/centre-com-karuza-k5-1060-gaming-system

It's not good for the money. GTX 1060 3gb would be beaten by a cheaper RX 570 8gb and absolutely get trounced by a RX 580 8gb over the next 2 or 3 years. Also should have a Ryzen cpu over an Intel for that $1200 budget.

Try this for starters... https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/369/aorus-2600-gaming-bundle
Just need power supply, case and SSD.
Plus the motherboard will accept the upcoming Ryzen 3000 & 4000 series CPUs...

 

[dwwaino]

1060s are pretty pox now. Swap it for a gtx1660 for the same price and it would be a tidy little system for a casual.

 

[Gold Member]

RTX tax should hopefully drop, early adopters are usually slammed with price hikes so with any luck once it's supported by more software products and gains popularity everything will even out.

I can't remember a remotely dominant ATI GPU line since the 9000 series chipsets 15 or so years ago, I'm sure their GPU line will sell well but it's unlikely that it'll overtake nVidia for pure performance.

Can't see RTX tax dropping significantly. RTX range are server designed silicon dies repurposed for gaming. Just like RTG Vega lineup. Big expensive dies.

The Navi is a gaming specific arch that's why it will be cheap and fast and why the whole industry is abuzz. Navi is RTGs Maxwell, the last iteration of CGN.
RTGs Pascal is still to come.

 

[nicko99]

It's not good for the money. GTX 1060 3gb would be beaten by a cheaper RX 570 8gb and absolutely get trounced by a RX 580 8gb over the next 2 or 3 years. Also should have a Ryzen cpu over an Intel for that $1200 budget.

Try this for starters... https://www.pccasegear.com/bundle/369/aorus-2600-gaming-bundle
Just need power supply, case and SSD.
Plus the motherboard will accept the upcoming Ryzen 3000 & 4000 series CPUs...

I bought a rx 570 8gb for $215 about 6 months ago, It was an impulse buy . But now i want a new PC now, im thinking about selling it now, its unused atm.
Ive have got a new 500 evo SDD as well.

 

[Gold Member]

I bought a rx 570 8gb for $215 about 6 months ago, It was an impulse buy . But now i want a new PC now, im thinking about selling it now, its unused atm.
Ive have got a new 500 evo SDD as well.

The 1060 3gb is a downgrade. Just use what you already have.

 

[Gold Member]

1060s are pretty pox now. Swap it for a gtx1660 for the same price and it would be a tidy little system for a casual.

dwwaino this is not directed at you and I'm not having a go mate but...

Such bad advice to just look at a price point and spit out whatever nVidia option sits there...

Here's a 3 day old benchmark video of a 1660 and a 580 trading blows.




Yes the 1660 wins.
Maybe it's 10% faster with a majority of that coming in UE4 titles. Tick, great job nVidia well done.

cheapest prices at PCCG today:
nVidia GTX 1660 6gb $379
Radeon RX 580 8gb $299

10% extra performance in the midrange price bracket does not equate to 27% additional costs.
The RX 580 8gb will be more "future proof" if the user happens to play alot of texture heavy games and it will outperform the GTX 1660 at 1440p both thanks to the 33% larger VRAM buffer.
There is absolutely zero logical reasoning to recommend the nVidia product in this case yet it is constantly the case in chat forums and such by uninformed but well meaning people and there is no shortage of idiots who are more than happy to be lead around by the nose in being told how to spend their hard earned....

end rant/

 

[drd23]

There is absolutely zero logical reasoning to recommend the nVidia product in this case yet it is constantly the case in chat forums and such by uninformed but well meaning people and there is no shortage of idiots who are more than happy to be lead around by the nose in being told how to spend their hard earned....

end rant/

I think you're forgetting to factor in that they are priced differently in different parts of the world. The pricing in Australia might favour the RX580 but the RRP of the RX580 and GT1660 in the US is $189 and $219 respectively. This results in a very similar cost/performance ratio when using the US pricing, which might account for some of that advice given elsewhere

 

[Gold Member]

I think you're forgetting to factor in that they are priced differently in different parts of the world. The pricing in Australia might favour the RX580 but the RRP of the RX580 and GT1660 in the US is $189 and $219 respectively. This results in a very similar cost/performance ratio when using the US pricing, which might account for some of that advice given elsewhere

Fair point although not hugely relevant to Australia, and Australians giving advice, when freight, currency conversion and gst bring things to parity with Australian RRP with the added bonus of potentially waiving any warranty support.

PS.
newegg.com
RX 580 8gb $169
GTX 1660 6gb $219
Same 27% price hike as my Aussie figures.

 

[dwwaino]

dwwaino this is not directed at you and I'm not having a go mate but...

Such bad advice to just look at a price point and spit out whatever nVidia option sits there...

Here's a 3 day old benchmark video of a 1660 and a 580 trading blows.




Yes the 1660 wins.
Maybe it's 10% faster with a majority of that coming in UE4 titles. Tick, great job nVidia well done.

cheapest prices at PCCG today:
nVidia GTX 1660 6gb $379
Radeon RX 580 8gb $299

10% extra performance in the midrange price bracket does not equate to 27% additional costs.
The RX 580 8gb will be more "future proof" if the user happens to play alot of texture heavy games and it will outperform the GTX 1660 at 1440p both thanks to the 33% larger VRAM buffer.
There is absolutely zero logical reasoning to recommend the nVidia product in this case yet it is constantly the case in chat forums and such by uninformed but well meaning people and there is no shortage of idiots who are more than happy to be lead around by the nose in being told how to spend their hard earned....

end rant/

Go team!

 

[dav3]

dwwaino this is not directed at you and I'm not having a go mate but...

Such bad advice to just look at a price point and spit out whatever nVidia option sits there...

Here's a 3 day old benchmark video of a 1660 and a 580 trading blows.




Yes the 1660 wins.
Maybe it's 10% faster with a majority of that coming in UE4 titles. Tick, great job nVidia well done.

cheapest prices at PCCG today:
nVidia GTX 1660 6gb $379
Radeon RX 580 8gb $299

10% extra performance in the midrange price bracket does not equate to 27% additional costs.
The RX 580 8gb will be more "future proof" if the user happens to play alot of texture heavy games and it will outperform the GTX 1660 at 1440p both thanks to the 33% larger VRAM buffer.
There is absolutely zero logical reasoning to recommend the nVidia product in this case yet it is constantly the case in chat forums and such by uninformed but well meaning people and there is no shortage of idiots who are more than happy to be lead around by the nose in being told how to spend their hard earned....

end rant/

You could argue that the $80 difference could be justified once you start looking at the power consumption and temperatures at load, and the performance gap is bigger than 10% in a number of cases.

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2456?vs=2299

 

[Gold Member]

You could argue that the $80 difference could be justified once you start looking at the power consumption and temperatures at load, and the performance gap is bigger than 10% in a number of cases.

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2456?vs=2299

Good point with power consumption although in isolation it's a weak argument... 60w difference @ 2hours gaming load per day = $1 recouped on electricity per month.
If it's power consumption to avoid the need to upgrade a power supply then that's a completely different thing.

My god that library of games for benchmarking including long time nVidia darlings like GTA and Final Fantasy. At least it does show the RX 580 8gb closing the gap in almost every title when resolution is increased...
Also old benchmarks means old drivers etc.

 

[Long Live HFC]

i'd pay the extra 27% to avoid being part of the 30% that post 80% of performance complaints! (yeah im kidding but gee that 30% make a lot of noise on steam on release day.)

 

[Xtreme]

I've been running this since July 2012.........

I5 3570K
8gb ram
Nvidia GTX 560 Ti (later upgraded to a GTX 780 Ti)
750w Gold Power supply
2x dvd burners (actually one was originally a blu-ray burner but I removed it after a year and have had 2 dvd burners since)
3x hdd's (1tb, 2tb and a 3tb)

I've not been much of a pc gamer over the last 3-4 years. But I'd keep tabs on various releases seeing what minimum/recommended system requirements games would have. I'm a bit surprised that mine would still be ok for some titles.

I've been thinking about building a new complete system, but what's stopped me is there not being such a huge 'leap' in technology. I'm more used to playing "catch up" - get a computer and catch up on the last 3-5 years worth of games I wasn't able to play due to the previous pc being too crap to run them. EG: A system I got in '99, I was playing Duke Nukem 3D and the Quake games. A pc I got in 2004, I was mostly playing games from 99-2004 (funnily enough the only games it was able to run 2005 - onward were the yearly Fifa titles because they didn't require a beast of a system year on year out). The system I got in 2010 helped me catch up on games from 2005 - until that time. I got a new system in 2012 after the one in 2010 blew up (thanks to an el-cheapo power supply).

 

[dav3]

I've been running this since July 2012.........

I5 3570K
8gb ram
Nvidia GTX 560 Ti (later upgraded to a GTX 780 Ti)
750w Gold Power supply
2x dvd burners (actually one was originally a blu-ray burner but I removed it after a year and have had 2 dvd burners since)
3x hdd's (1tb, 2tb and a 3tb)

I've not been much of a pc gamer over the last 3-4 years. But I'd keep tabs on various releases seeing what minimum/recommended system requirements games would have. I'm a bit surprised that mine would still be ok for some titles.

I've been thinking about building a new complete system, but what's stopped me is there not being such a huge 'leap' in technology. I'm more used to playing "catch up" - get a computer and catch up on the last 3-5 years worth of games I wasn't able to play due to the previous pc being too crap to run them. EG: A system I got in '99, I was playing Duke Nukem 3D and the Quake games. A pc I got in 2004, I was mostly playing games from 99-2004 (funnily enough the only games it was able to run 2005 - onward were the yearly Fifa titles because they didn't require a beast of a system year on year out). The system I got in 2010 helped me catch up on games from 2005 - until that time. I got a new system in 2012 after the one in 2010 blew up (thanks to an el-cheapo power supply).

Not far off what I'm running and it's still perfectly usable. Wait a month or two and see what AMD/ATI come up with for their upcoming releases, until then (assuming you're running mechanical drives) an SSD as a boot drive will probably provide the best bang-for-buck improvement.

I'll probably end up grabbing a Ryzen 3000 series CPU, motherboard, and 16GB RAM, and stick with the 970ti till the GPU market sorts itself out.

 

[Gold Member]

"Intel 10nm Desktop Coming soon"...


It's not even on the 36 month roadmap which was leaked from an internal Dell presentation this month.
There are however 2 low power 4 core 10nm mobile chips tentatively listed for Q2 2021 but with an ominous looking TBD, presumably to be determined.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-10nm-14nm-gpu-cpu,39163.html

 

[dav3]

"Intel 10nm Desktop Coming soon"...

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It's not even on the 36 month roadmap which was leaked from an internal Dell presentation this month.
There are however 2 low power 4 core 10nm mobile chips tentatively listed for Q2 2021 but with an ominous looking TBD, presumably to be determined.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-10nm-14nm-gpu-cpu,39163.html

I'm curious to see if that's an Intel retail roadmap, or a roadmap of Dell's usage of Intel CPUs. Dell (and most OEMs I think) take a while to move to newer CPUs.

 

[Gold Member]

I'm curious to see if that's an Intel retail roadmap, or a roadmap of Dell's usage of Intel CPUs. Dell (and most OEMs I think) take a while to move to newer CPUs.

My assumption is the expected availability from Intel. Any delay to retail from that date forward would be to do with the OEMs running down the inventory.
Given the 14nm supply issues I doubt the OEMs have much of an inventory to run down so the gap between the two might be inconsequential..

 

[dav3]

My assumption is the expected availability from Intel. Any delay to retail from that date forward would be to do with the OEMs running down the inventory.
Given the 14nm supply issues I doubt the OEMs have much of an inventory to run down so the gap between the two might be inconsequential..

Dell haven't even got 9th gen gear in their current desktop lineup

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[Gold Member]

Dell haven't even got 9th gen gear in their current desktop lineup

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Ha! No shit. Only in the Alienware stuff...


On the other side... Ryzen 3000 all but confirmed for next month's Computex as Biostar announce new AM4 X570 mobos to launch at the show.

 

[hornetswce]

I'm looking at making the move from PS4 to PC. I looked at building one but figured it will be easier to buy. Any issues buying a secondhand or new built PC off of Gumtree?

Will be much cheaper as I still need to get a monitor etc.

 

[dav3]

I'm looking at making the move from PS4 to PC. I looked at building one but figured it will be easier to buy. Any issues buying a secondhand or new built PC off of Gumtree?

Will be much cheaper as I still need to get a monitor etc.

Just your standard potential quality/support/warranty issues whenever you buy things from random people on the internet.

 

[hornetswce]

Just your standard potential quality/support/warranty issues whenever you buy things from random people on the internet.

Yeah that is my main concern, there are heaps of people on there who have home businesses but you never know what their credentials are.

 

[hornetswce]

There is one I am looking at with the specs below that looks ok for $600.

Specs:
Intel Core i5-4570 quadcore up to 3.60GHz
Asrock H81 Motherboard
Gigabyte Windforce GTX1060 6GB Graphics Card
8GB RAM
Kingston A400 250GB SSD
Coolermaster 520W PSU
Thermaltake H18 Case
RGB Lighting
4x 120mm Fans

I want to mainly play games like star craft etc but also want to be able to play Destiny and maybe COD. Will I need something more powerful?

 

[dav3]

There is one I am looking at with the specs below that looks ok for $600.

Specs:
Intel Core i5-4570 quadcore up to 3.60GHz
Asrock H81 Motherboard
Gigabyte Windforce GTX1060 6GB Graphics Card
8GB RAM
Kingston A400 250GB SSD
Coolermaster 520W PSU
Thermaltake H18 Case
RGB Lighting
4x 120mm Fans

I want to mainly play games like star craft etc but also want to be able to play Destiny and maybe COD. Will I need something more powerful?

Specs wise it'll probably do the job, it's just got an older CPU (possibly sourced from some old Dell/HP box from the auctions) and motherboard. The other risk is that the graphics card has spent its life getting thrashed in a Bitcoin mining rig and may not have much life in it.

 

[dwwaino]

I'm not a fan of second hand stuff personally, you don't know what sort of abuse it has been through or if someone that doesn't know what they are doing have tinkered around with internal settings. That would do the job though for casual 1080p gaming, a bit of a tight arse PSU though and a single 250gb drive won't go far. At least it's the 6gb 1060