Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[Spearman]

Yeah, it's still a pretty big drawcard both for football and basketball. It's really going to cut into European basketball in particular.

The next Giannis or Wemby is just going to sign with Duke or Kentucky for millions rather than staying in Europe.

Totally agree, it's going to be a massive issue. Part of the problem is you don't even have to be a gun to get it.

If you're a projected fourth round pick, and making 2m a year in NIL, you'll make more staying the extra year in college than you will in your first year in the NFL.

I guess it could create parity away from the Georgia and Ohio State types, but in likelihood it'll just keep the rich richer.

Which I don't mind.
Honestly I was shocked that they were near or top spenders in NIL, but I can see how they got the coffers for it.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Which I don't mind.
Honestly I was shocked that they were near or top spenders in NIL, but I can see how they got the coffers for it.

Michigan man?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Maybe we do a deal with Suns if we want another first rounder this off-season...

What do we give them?

 

[Spearman]

Michigan man?

Never, ever say the name of that school up north.

 

[cats_09]

What do we give them?

FR5

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I don't know why the Aints wouldn't be offering Bont 2 million a year.

Because he won't go there.

 

[Mr Meow]

Because he won't go there.

What about 5 million?

 

[allrighty]

 

[CatRiot]

What do we give them?

F2 + a fringe player?

 

[Turbocat]

The fear was he's got college scholarships being thrown at him for basketball.

Could be nothing in it, but the belief was that if he was sitting in the state leagues for 3-4 years - like most young ruckman have happen to them - then he could easily have his head turned to the US.

Particularly with the new NIL NCAA deal from a couple of years ago, where you can genuinely make millions as a college athlete nowadays.

He could realistically make more with a 4 year college degree than he would playing a decade of footy, if he chose to take that path

Interesting. Sounds like a different discussion for payments re NIL playing in uni in the usa to playing in the NBL etc. I plead ignorance of that stuff. The 3-4 years thing was why I thought we were concerned about but not for basketball but the pull back home

 

[Turbocat]

In terms of form, it's only the second time this season he's reached double figure hitouts. It's pretty clear he's spent more time playing forward so far this season as he's behind other ruck options - this is his season averages

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This is how he's gone in each game:
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He's still young having only just turned 19 last month and it'll be interesting to see how he develops over the next year and then any potential contract beyond that

Maybe thin and protecting him? Im sure if we had drafted him ..we woudl like the look of him too but Molier looks like classic Geelong recruiting.

I have wonder …. StKilda have a 204cm the 22 turning 23 year old Max Heath ..who debuted last week. Will he hold his pot versus us. Not sure but he is only young and looks like a big boy prospect. They have Keeler at 198cm and 21 year old who has played 10 games and looks a potential player. They have Rowan Marshall at 29 turning 30 with two years on contract to go ..but could play for years yet… and they have to find a way to play Max King if and when fit… and they have Dodson


That doesn't seem like a list that need to spend 1.7m on another ruckman. In probably creates as many problems as it solves.

 

[Turbocat]

Maybe we do a deal with Suns if we want another first rounder this off-season...

They have been linked to WC who might be open to splitting their comp pick that they potentially get for Allen but they are also aware that they might need points. The point system changing means that the Nortehrn clubs will have to be selective on trades. I wonder if they end up no matching more. They have several players that they could probably trade out to get picks for points as well.

 

[Turbocat]

F2 + a fringe player?

If Gold Coast were to trade one of their R1 picks it would be because it works for points

I really do not think they need to aquire any more fringe types. What they did last year looked expensive but one would have to say that Rioli and Noble were ideal picks ups and have been clever additions. They have that much talent coming thru that they are already not playing some players that would be getting games elsewhere. Rogers for example would get them a very good pick in this years draft. Was P14 two years ago. Reasonable to think he would be picked top10 if in this average draft pool.

 

[Turbocat]

What about 5 million?

I was thinking 3M but hey... while we are throwing round millions. Could someone say no to an offer that was 1M extra a year?

 

[Warhorse]

In terms of form, it's only the second time this season he's reached double figure hitouts. It's pretty clear he's spent more time playing forward so far this season as he's behind other ruck options - this is his season averages

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He's still young having only just turned 19 last month and it'll be interesting to see how he develops over the next year and then any potential contract beyond that

Dodson hasnt played much ruck but when in there he has looked very very good.

Molier has the tools to be something special though

 

[Strange Cat]

If we got the Bont on a free this year, then add in Reid via trade and Butters next year we would be audited daily for the next decade.

Can we throw in JUH just for the extra melts too? (Don’t actually want him).

 

[Strange Cat]

Sam McClure spouts more or at least the equal amount of crap of any journalist so it means nothing about Bontempelli coming from him. But I have said during the year we are asking the question about him and did say it would come out in the media at some point. Extremely low chance but these type of conversations going on show the intent.

Could you just imagine him for free? It would be the biggest boost I think our club has ever received.

You would have to hold me down for a week if this happens , I’ll be like a toddler on red cordial

 

[Son_Of_God29]

Interested in our future Father Son …but my bet is our link/alignment to Steinfort will be cut by the time he is draftable.

The AFL just made a change so he is NGA draftable.

Was a St.Kilda NGA up until about 2 weeks ago

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Dodson hasnt played much ruck but when in there he has looked very very good.

Molier has the tools to be something special though

We keep throwing darts at young speculative rucks, one of them bound to hit eventually, right ? ... right?

 

[Turbocat]

The AFL just made a change so he is NGA draftable.

Was a St.Kilda NGA up until about 2 weeks ago

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The rules that slot some of these players as NGA rather than just another player in the bucket are to some degree arbitrary and in some peoples eyes ludcrious…and pressure is mounting. Mellor this year is .. and some would say how can it be so. He is hardly froma non football background. His father was a coach at Rich. Players like Steinfort will probably not be a NGA by the time he is draftable

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wreck-it-ralph-can-the-afl-fix-its-broken-draft-system-as-st-kilda-academy-prospect-who-got-away-highlights-nga-program-failings/news-story/03e4de403df0235040f76952fda8e82e

Twenty-three years after Carl Steinfort successfully tagged Des Headland in the 2002 grand final – then was swiftly retired by Mick Malthouse – son Tom shapes as an unlikely battleground in the fight over the AFL’s talent pathways.
Yet as heartland clubs fight against the wave of northern academy talent while simultaneously protecting their own turf, Tom is rising up future draft boards.

He is highly rated after representing Vic Country in the recent Under-16 carnival and yet a player who could have been tied to St Kilda’s academy is officially a Geelong NGA player.

Father Carl played 65 games for the Cats then 27 for Collingwood before retiring in 2002.

His three sons are not father-son eligible but the chartered accountant married Finnish wife Tuuli when travelling abroad so Tom, Olli and Oskar are eligible for Geelong’s NGA academy because at least one parent was born overseas.

Yet Tom’s move from St Kilda’s zone with the South Melbourne Districts Football Club to Geelong Grammar has seen Geelong snap him up before he hits 16 years of age to officially tie him to their academy.

If a player never signed by St Kilda blossoms into a future star by draft age, the Cats can add him to their litany of father-son guns by matching any rival bid.

Despite him starting his footy career in a rival zone.

With a father who is a former AFL regular.

With the virtual certainty that he would have made the progression as an AFL aspirant without Geelong’s development.

But herein lies the rub.

Not even Geelong is supportive of an NGA system that could be scrapped altogether in coming months or have its parameters tightened under an official AFL review.

Clubs believe the AFL Commission will consider changes at its August meeting after a comprehensive review of the academy system…..

 

[BennyGan]

Dodson hasnt played much ruck but when in there he has looked very very good.

Molier has the tools to be something special though

Has the physical tools to be an athletic key forward. Dodson is pretty clearly a ruck that’s just had to play forward because of Boyd and Heath.

 

[Turbocat]

The AFL just made a change so he is NGA draftable.

Was a St.Kilda NGA up until about 2 weeks ago

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What I will say …. is considering the academies etc to the North ..and clubs like Brisbane that can butter bother sides of the bread ..getting quality FSons and academy kids … that the system as a whole needs to be looked at … and maybe the qualification for FSon should be too.

Maybe considering the way out of contract players almost alwasy get to where tehy want to be ..there should be no FSons. Something tells me if Dacios had been drafted to North … and played there for three years .. if he wanted to play for the Pies he would have got there when OOC. Why is he different to OHenry for example.

If we want to keep it , then we cant have a such a luck discrepancy in outcome. Perhaps if a club has not had a R1 FSon for a period of time the qualification could be adjusted…. after all some clubs literally have been blessed by the system while others have had no luck at all. Why is it 100 games…. it was not always. JBrown went to Brisbane when it was 50..so why not 90 or 80 or what ever ..especially if you have not had a FSon for ages. If Geelong could draft someone like Steinfort…. why should they get a discount on top of the advantage of the alignment.

The system does need to be looked at or the draft will continue to lose value.

 

[jim boy]

The system does need to be looked at or the draft will continue to lose value.

Oh yeah - in this age of professionalism the NGA and FS rules are a joke. Firstly NGA, it was established to bring players who would not normally be exposed to AFL into the AFL. Great for areas like the Northern States where league dominates and we can expand the pool of players by stealing decent prospects from league. But as for people with a migrant background, not so sure. My nephew has always loved his footy and is quite handy, and he would also be eligible for NGA should given his father's background. He doesn't need any encouragement to play.

However the real issue - paying fair compensation for an NGA/FS.

My personal thoughts is as follows.

1. Scrap the points, that clearly is a system which doesn't work.

2. Must use picks if you match - If you want a player in the first round, then you need to find a pick within a sliding scale of that pick and sacrifice it. The scale would slide on the basis that you must use a pick equal or higher of the of the formula "current pick position doubled + 2". So a few examples, a player matched at pick 1 would need to have a price of no more than pick 4 (1*2+2=4). Pick 5 would need to be exchanged for a pick no lower than pick 12 (5*2 +2). Pick twenty exchanged for a pick no lower than pick 42 (20*2+2).

Clubs still get a little bit of an advantage when they select a player, so doesn't render the NGA system worthless, the draft order is not massively compromised and you wont get situations where premiers effectively get the number 1 pick for SFA.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

the Cats can add him to their litany of father-son guns by matching any rival bid.

I vote Bewsy's new nickname is "Litany"

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Oh yeah - in this age of professionalism the NGA and FS rules are a joke. Firstly NGA, it was established to bring players who would not normally be exposed to AFL into the AFL. Great for areas like the Northern States where league dominates and we can expand the pool of players by stealing decent prospects from league. But as for people with a migrant background, not so sure. My nephew has always loved his footy and is quite handy, and he would also be eligible for NGA should given his father's background. He doesn't need any encouragement to play.

However the real issue - paying fair compensation for an NGA/FS.

My personal thoughts is as follows.

1. Scrap the points, that clearly is a system which doesn't work.

2. Must use picks if you match - If you want a player in the first round, then you need to find a pick within a sliding scale of that pick and sacrifice it. The scale would slide on the basis that you must use a pick equal or higher of the of the formula "current pick position doubled + 2". So a few examples, a player matched at pick 1 would need to have a price of no more than pick 4 (1*2+2=4). Pick 5 would need to be exchanged for a pick no lower than pick 12 (5*2 +2). Pick twenty exchanged for a pick no lower than pick 42 (20*2+2).

Clubs still get a little bit of an advantage when they select a player, so doesn't render the NGA system worthless, the draft order is not massively compromised and you wont get situations where premiers effectively get the number 1 pick for SFA.

Points could work but they just massively undervalue front end selections