List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[mpal6]

With each passing day I feel Starce is more and more likely to leave.

Starting to worry bout Cal too.

Accept, Adapt, Evolve.
Can't hang on to all of them anyway.

 

[MSB ROYS]

West Coast are also after Ah Chee and their offer for him is greater than Brisbane's

They should also try and raid Victorian clubs.

 

[Crusha]

We trialed Ben Murphy, a Gaelic footy star, last week at the club according to Twomey on Gettable today.

Rising Kerry star set for AFL visit amid signing fears

 

[GenericUsername202]

I'm quite happy to let Ah Chee go as we are bringing in Draper and Allen, but we should really fight to keep Starce. Match any bid the eagles offer and force them to trade a first rounder, or let him walk to the national draft.

 

[Nathan Barley]

What annoys me is that it doesn't fix the issues people have with the system which says to me they're using it as an excuse to hurt teams that have top rated talent coming through

If the issue is father sons being taken by clubs with academies, change the rules so father son trumps academy selection

If the issue is with teams using 4 picks in the 40s to take someone bid on at pick 5 adjust the points so they can't.

Having someone available to academies at the start of the second round but not 1 pick earlier is the dumbest option possible

Or just ditch it all together and fund the pathways in the Northern states to keep this level of talent coming through

 

[braddsey]

The request could be approved but unless we are stripped of the right to match the offer (which I think would contravene the CBA) it means nothing.

Obviously we aren't going to match a Starce offer that is crazy (e.g. 6 years at 1m+) but if West Coast are offering that then they have a real problem.

I think it’s clear West Coast have a real problem. St Kilda are also showing there is more money in the salary cap than most of us understand, West Coast are no doubt in a similar position.

They’re in the position we were when we signed Dayne Beams - if you find a player who wants to come to your club you sign them, regardless of the cost.

Maybe we need to get Oscar Allen to have a good chat to Starce about why he’s leaving and how supported he’s been through his injury struggles, things like the hostage situation press conference earlier in the year.
They should know each other from juniors - both Perth boys born 4 months apart, taken at 18 and 21 in the 2017 national draft.

 

[twhowler]

Honestly astonished the father son rule could be gutted. Such a good thing and unique in any comp in the world. If you want fairness then make clubs have to match properly. What a panic from the afl. Would be so sad to see Louis Zorko grow up in the lions change rooms then play for Port Adelaide.

I love Cal. That finals series was sublime. But imo we can lose him and be fine. We have so many mids and they can play half forward fine. I know Cal has a role but you can find someone for that.

Starce on the weekend reminded us all he is the player we would miss. Absolutely elite for his position. Combination of good in the air, great on the ground, strong in the contest, reads the ball well, and excellent disposal. And no Answerth for a while.

We need Allen. That's fine.

But I think we could get another ruck and offer more money to starce. Fort is fine. Smith still developing. So grab a spare ruck say Ned Reeves.

If money is the issue and we are giving it to Draper instead of Starcevich, I think that's a major error that will mean our list is worse off. Could affect our strong culture of loyalty too.

 

[braddsey]

Honestly astonished the father son rule could be gutted. Such a good thing and unique in any comp in the world. If you want fairness then make clubs have to match properly. What a panic from the afl. Would be so sad to see Louis Zorko grow up in the lions change rooms then play for Port Adelaide.

Taking it away would be another layer of shitification of the AFL as a result on increasing push for professionalism, and taking the game further away from fans. It is a great link to previous generations and former club champions. Look at the heartbreak that occurs when a loved family name departs for another club (Daniher, Silvani, Kennedy).

 

[braddsey]

What annoys me is that it doesn't fix the issues people have with the system which says to me they're using it as an excuse to hurt teams that have top rated talent coming through

If the issue is father sons being taken by clubs with academies, change the rules so father son trumps academy selection

If the issue is with teams using 4 picks in the 40s to take someone bid on at pick 5 adjust the points so they can't.

Having someone available to academies at the start of the second round but not 1 pick earlier is the dumbest option possible

Or just ditch it all together and fund the pathways in the Northern states to keep this level of talent coming through

How many f/s have nominated academy instead? The only that I can think of is Blakey, but there could be more. Obviously Cooper Hodge is upcoming, but I would have no issue if they decided f/s were excluded from nominating academy. Also have no issue with Cooper Hodge training with our academy and ultimately being unavailable to us as an academy selection.

 

[p4p1]

Hard to feel that it is a coincidence that a non-Victorian team is having an excellent run with F/S prospects and now all of a sudden, they might significantly change it.

I still believe free agency does far more to change the balance of equalisation than F/S and academy players. Outside of Andrews, our most important players in the past few years in Neale and Daniher have been free agents.

 

[Nathan Barley]

How many f/s have nominated academy instead? The only that I can think of is Blakey, but there could be more. Obviously Cooper Hodge is upcoming, but I would have no issue if they decided f/s were excluded from nominating academy. Also have no issue with Cooper Hodge training with our academy and ultimately being unavailable to us as an academy selection.

Exactly right. This has no relevance to whether you should be able to match first round bids

 

[p4p1]

How many f/s have nominated academy instead? The only that I can think of is Blakey, but there could be more. Obviously Cooper Hodge is upcoming, but I would have no issue if they decided f/s were excluded from nominating academy. Also have no issue with Cooper Hodge training with our academy and ultimately being unavailable to us as an academy selection.

It is not a bad thing if it is left up to the player to decide which route he wants to take either, which is what it currently is.

 

[braddsey]

Starce on the weekend reminded us all he is the player we would miss. Absolutely elite for his position. Combination of good in the air, great on the ground, strong in the contest, reads the ball well, and excellent disposal. And no Answerth for a while.

We need Allen. That's fine.

But I think we could get another ruck and offer more money to starce. Fort is fine. Smith still developing. So grab a spare ruck say Ned Reeves.

If money is the issue and we are giving it to Draper instead of Starcevich, I think that's a major error that will mean our list is worse off. Could affect our strong culture of loyalty too.

i can’t imagine it’s a money issue for Starce, unless the offers from WC and Essendon are in another ballpark. If that’s the case then we have to be balanced in upping our offer and managing our list.
I expect a number of our players are being paid a bit unders to be part of success.

I also don’t imagine the money allocated for Draper would be related to what we’ve offered Starce.

Starce may just want to get home (i’ve been in that situation before). You wouldn’t choose WC over Brisbane otherwise unless there’s a life changing financial difference.

 

[braddsey]

It is not a bad thing if it is left up to the player to decide which route he wants to take either, which is what it currently is.

No - but it doesn’t support our basis for maintaining academies, and does increase opposition to our priority academy access.
The baseline for academies is to attract athletes who may otherwise go to rugby, and give them a pathway to remain in their home state. Cooper Hodge would have become a footballer regardless of our academy (though may have had to move back to a Melbourne private school to get access to quality coaching and development).

 

[twhowler]

i can’t imagine it’s a money issue for Starce, unless the offers from WC and Essendon are in another ballpark. If that’s the case then we have to be balanced in upping our offer and managing our list.
I expect a number of our players are being paid a bit unders to be part of success.

I also don’t imagine the money allocated for Draper would be related to what we’ve offered Starce.

Starce may just want to get home (i’ve been in that situation before). You wouldn’t choose WC over Brisbane otherwise unless there’s a life changing financial difference.

Yeah if it's mainly home then fair enough.

Seems to be a lot on him wanting to set himself up for life. We have to be more careful on overpaying than wce.

But we must have a very tight cap, so I don't think it's a stretch to say paying Draper $800k instead of another ruck $400k could cost us either starce or cal.

 

[BangyBangy]

West Coast: Destroys their list through incompetence.
West Coast: Happy for band one compensation for Allen (you're already getting a big leg up here from the AFL).
West Coast: Wants Starcevich badly enough to offer him a longer contract than the Lions offer.
West Coast: Want Starcevich badly, but don't want to trade for him.
West Coast: Request special assistance not to have their free agent compensation reduced by taking Starcevich as a free agent.

How does **** off sound?

In relation to Starcevich & Ah Chee moving on for more money or personal reasons. Thanks for your service if you do go. It would have to be compelling to consider leaving the Lions. But meh, it gives opportunity for more game time & exposure for a young kid. We'll be ok.

 

[Tom14]

What annoys me is that it doesn't fix the issues people have with the system which says to me they're using it as an excuse to hurt teams that have top rated talent coming through

If the issue is father sons being taken by clubs with academies, change the rules so father son trumps academy selection

If the issue is with teams using 4 picks in the 40s to take someone bid on at pick 5 adjust the points so they can't.

Having someone available to academies at the start of the second round but not 1 pick earlier is the dumbest option possible

Or just ditch it all together and fund the pathways in the Northern states to keep this level of talent coming through

Biggest thing they could do is stop clubs acquiring extra draft picks (over their available list spot number) during the draft. That makes it comically easy to match bids.

Also easy enough just to return to the rule regarding not being able to match more than 1 bid in the top 20 if you make finals etc, which they removed for this year's bidding system lol (one last rort for Gold Coast). Apply that to Father Sons as well.

Still haven't got rid of it for this year lol.

There are quite a few things they can do within the existing system to make it more reasonable, and it is classic AFL to already signal a change when we haven't even seen the outcome of the changes to points this year.

 

[Tom14]

West Coast: Destroys their list through incompetence.
West Coast: Happy for band one compensation for Allen (you're already getting a big leg up here from the AFL).
West Coast: Wants Starcevich badly enough to offer him a longer contract than the Lions offer.
West Coast: Want Starcevich badly, but don't want to trade for him.
West Coast: Request special assistance not to have their free agent compensation reduced by taking Starcevich as a free agent.

How does **** off sound?

In relation to Starcevich & Ah Chee moving on for more money or personal reasons. Thanks for your service if you do go. It would have to be compelling to consider leaving the Lions. But meh, it gives opportunity for more game time & exposure for a young kid. We'll be ok.

They've given their time and effort to us for a long period, if they have better offers and want to take them all power to them. Starce in particular I get why he needs to consider this stuff strongly.

 

[Elixuh]

This might just be a soft announcement so when like 15 of 18 clubs go apeshit the AFL will water is down significantly rather than catering to Geelong, St Kilda and Freo.

 

[Dalions]

‘Going to be backlash’: AFL to axe father-son rule in ‘significant change’ to draft system​

Wtf is Matthew Sullivan?

 

[p4p1]

No - but it doesn’t support our basis for maintaining academies, and does increase opposition to our priority academy access.
The baseline for academies is to attract athletes who may otherwise go to rugby, and give them a pathway to remain in their home state. Cooper Hodge would have become a footballer regardless of our academy (though may have had to move back to a Melbourne private school to get access to quality coaching and development).

Because of who his dad is, he would have had access to fairly elite coaching though not competition if he decided to stay in Brisbane. Players can choose not to nominate for F/S if no academy is involved. They can choose a team to go to if they are eligible regardless of which one is in more need of their talents. I don't think the sole purpose of the acadmies should be looked at to be only for players who were could have ended up playing another sport. They also offset the huge advantages that Victoria has with their pathway programs and to a lesser extent WA and SA. There isn't many retired elite footballers that aren't directly involved with AFL clubs living in NSW or QLD but they are almost dime a dozen in Vic, WA and SA. The football coach I had for year 7 school footy was a guy who played won the BnF at Adelaide in 95 and played in the 97&98 premierships.

I was young at the time but I don't remember the AFL media bemoaning the fact that Marc Murphy didn't want to leave Victoria so refused to nominate under F/S.

 

[M Malice]

In relation to Starcevich & Ah Chee moving on for more money or personal reasons. Thanks for your service if you do go. It would have to be compelling to consider leaving the Lions. But meh, it gives opportunity for more game time & exposure for a young kid. We'll be ok.

My Untradeables and/or desperately want to keep even if Free Agents on our list.

Levi Ashcroft, Ty Gallop, Sam Marshall, Logan Morris, Will Ashcroft, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Wilmot, Kai Lohmann, Keidean Coleman, Cam Rayner, Jack Payne, Zac Biley, Noah Answerth, Brandon Starcevich, Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry, Josh Dunkley, Harris Andrews.

Lachie Neale- If he wanted to "go home" we would let him go and form a guard of honour on his way out.
Ryan Lester & Dayne Zorko- Wont be going anywhere.

 

[bungalow_bill]

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Stand by for the furor when the next decent Magpie F/S comes into draft consideration. Odds are the rules will be adjusted again.

There haven't been too many cases like JHF whereby an interstate club could leverage the system and have the local kids returning after a short stay elsewhere. And once the kids attend private schools in Victoria, progress through Vic development programs and spend a year or two at a Melbourne club, I'd assume it would lessen the incentives to move back to the Qld clubs.

 

[SizeMatters]

Honestly astonished the father son rule could be gutted. Such a good thing and unique in any comp in the world. If you want fairness then make clubs have to match properly. What a panic from the afl. Would be so sad to see Louis Zorko grow up in the lions change rooms then play for Port Adelaide.

I love Cal. That finals series was sublime. But imo we can lose him and be fine. We have so many mids and they can play half forward fine. I know Cal has a role but you can find someone for that.

Starce on the weekend reminded us all he is the player we would miss. Absolutely elite for his position. Combination of good in the air, great on the ground, strong in the contest, reads the ball well, and excellent disposal. And no Answerth for a while.

We need Allen. That's fine.

But I think we could get another ruck and offer more money to starce. Fort is fine. Smith still developing. So grab a spare ruck say Ned Reeves.

If money is the issue and we are giving it to Draper instead of Starcevich, I think that's a major error that will mean our list is worse off. Could affect our strong culture of loyalty too.

Agree. I don’t think Draper is worth getting if it means we lose out on Starce. But if Starce does want to leave and it’s not about contract length then fair enough. Our back 6 is looking really old and we don’t really have anyone to replace Zorks, Lester, and now Starce. That will be a lot to lose over two year period. I’m not bullish on Doedee, Coleman (injuries), or Brain to replace them. It will be a significant downgrade and replacement requires in a short time period.

Let’s hope the underlings are decent enough for AFL footy otherwise we will be in a bit of strife medium term.