Traded Oscar Allen [Joins Brisbane as RFA]

[stallon]

Do you genuinely believe Chad is in play?

Idk, how else do the Swans get pick 2 off us?

Dropping back to 9 is a fair slide. I just don't see the appeal for West Coast unless they are getting a long term, best 22 player.

Its been spoken about that we may be open to splitting pick 2.
If the Swans have another way to generate a pick in the 6-14 part of the draft we may be open to splitting

If it is Chad, I'd be asking for a bit more than just pick 2 from West Coast.

If Sydney want Curnow more, theyll be open to doing it a touch cheaper

 

[stallon]

Is there another suitor for McDonald? I think all of you are correct.

Pies maybe, they havent offered Mihocek another deal yet.
Also the Dees, North as always, Saints too. Essendon also should be in the market.

Three of those clubs dont have first round picks to spare so idk how they get done, Essendon could use the Draper compo assuming its band 2

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Sydney don't have the currency for pick 2 unless Chad Warner is involved.

2 for 11 (9 pushed back 2 spots pre draft by Allen and TDK) and a future first doesn't get it done. Sydney won 12 games but are a 15-16 win calibre side and they aren't chasing Curnow to get worse.

Allen (FA), something -> Bris
2 -> Carl
11, F1 (Syd), Starcevich -> WC
Curnow -> Syd

?

I dont understand how everyone is so definitive Sydney dont have the currency for pick 2. Literally last year WC traded 3 for 13 and 14 (pre-bids).

 

[stallon]

I dont understand how everyone is so definitive Sydney dont have the currency for pick 2. Literally last year WC traded 3 for 13 and 14 (pre-bids).

That was the only way to split pick 3 last year. Nobody else had picks(or was willing to trade up as the draft was so even)

There will be more clubs in the market for it this year - already linked to GCS, Sydney and Carlton. Bombers will be linked to it soon too so they can chase Duursma(to collect the trio).

Pick 11 plus a f1 wont be as attractive this year as 12+14 was last year

Theyll be able to get it done, but theyll probably have to have other pieces on the move to generate currency - like Florent, Ladhams, McDonald, etc(not necessarily to west coast)

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That was the only way to split pick 3 last year. Nobody else had picks(or was willing to trade up as the draft was so even)

There will be more clubs in the market for it this year - already linked to GCS, Sydney and Carlton. Bombers will be linked to it soon too so they can chase Duursma(to collect the trio).

Pick 11 plus a f1 wont be as attractive this year as 12+14 was last year

Theyll be able to get it done, but theyll probably have to have other pieces on the move to generate currency - like Florent, Ladhams, McDonald, etc(not necessarily to west coast)

Maybe but sorry, that feels like WC supporters trying to tie yourselves in knots to dispute a glaringly recent and applicable example. I dont think GC have much need for another top 10 pick (as well as their academy kids) this year, Sydney and Carlton may as well be the same and you are adding Bombers in there for the sake of it haha.

If they have to shed a player for currency, I dont think it's that much and suggestions Swans are miles off it (not necessarily from you) are pretty off base. Your club for whatever reason just doesnt like top 5 picks, this could be 3rd time in like 5 years they trade a pick out of it. I find it bizarre.

 

[stallon]

Maybe but sorry, that feels like WC supporters trying to tie yourselves in knots to dispute a glaringly recent and applicable example. I dont think GC have much need for another top 10 pick (as well as their academy kids) this year, Sydney and Carlton may as well be the same and you are adding Bombers in there for the sake of it haha.

Tbh I think the link to GCS was mostly when they were linked to Curnow, but it was still there.
They cant keep carrying extra picks forever, especially if they cant even match top bids from next year, theyve gotta use a top pick like everybody else sooner or later.
Theres been some mentions of Zane Duursma to the Bombers(nothing concrete) but if that happens or develops, Essendon will 100% be in the market for pick 1 or 2(whichever gets W.Duursma)

If they have to shed a player for currency, I dont think it's that much and suggestions Swans are miles off it (not necessarily from you) are pretty off base. Your club for whatever reason just doesnt like top 5 picks, this could be 3rd time in like 5 years they trade a pick out of it. I find it bizarre.

Well Sydney would have to find another pick at least in the top 15 of the draft, Florent wont get that, Ladhams wont get that, McDonald wont get that(probably, due to salary).
Im sure they can get it, but theyd have to get other deals done first, then find a top 15ish pick from somewhere else before coming for pick 2 - a bunch of later picks for GCS pick 12(14 after compo picks) or GCS pick 6(7 after compo pick) would probably be right at the top of their list im sure.

Last year we could get a talent not that far off the top 3 with pick 12, due to the evenness of the draft. Allan was injured or sick a bunch this year so im not putting any judgement into whether it was good or not just yet.
In 2022 id consider that a win doing the pick split, so im not going to say we dont want top 3 picks based off that, was just a good move.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Tbh I think the link to GCS was mostly when they were linked to Curnow, but it was still there.
They cant keep carrying extra picks forever, especially if they cant even match top bids from next year, theyve gotta use a top pick like everybody else sooner or later.
Theres been some mentions of Zane Duursma to the Bombers(nothing concrete) but if that happens or develops, Essendon will 100% be in the market for pick 1 or 2(whichever gets W.Duursma)


Well Sydney would have to find another pick at least in the top 15 of the draft, Florent wont get that, Ladhams wont get that, McDonald wont get that(probably, due to salary).
Im sure they can get it, but theyd have to get other deals done first, then find a top 15ish pick from somewhere else before coming for pick 2 - a bunch of later picks for GCS pick 12(14 after compo picks) or GCS pick 6(7 after compo pick) would probably be right at the top of their list im sure.

Maybe the points change make a big difference but I'd think Sydney can move their first next year to this year for another top 15 pick reasonably easily, particularly if that first round lock out happens. Wouldnt WC prefer a future 1st to another 1st round pick this year anyway?

Last year we could get a talent not that far off the top 3 with pick 12, due to the evenness of the draft. Allan was injured or sick a bunch this year so im not putting any judgement into whether it was good or not just yet.
In 2022 id consider that a win doing the pick split, so im not going to say we dont want top 3 picks based off that, was just a good move.

I suppose that's a double edge sword and you can use that reasoning to say pick 2 isnt worth much this year because there's no elite talent at the top and therefore last years reasoning applies to this year and pick 2 wont have that high a cost

 

[Alesana]

Yep pretty much affirmed by Ralph.



What are Eagles fans actually pissy about? Their anger should really be addressed to their own club for treating their captain like utter shit.

They’re clearly prioritising pick two, fair enough, so just move on.

Stick to reporting the news Ralphy, no one gives a rat's tossbag about your opinion

 

[stallon]

Maybe the points change make a big difference but I'd think Sydney can move their first next year to this year for another top 15 pick reasonably easily, particularly if that first round lock out happens. Wouldnt WC prefer a future 1st to another 1st round pick this year anyway?

My thinking is that with Curnow added, and a slightly better run with injury to some of their good players who missed big chunks of the year theyll be thinking theyre a top 4 chance, im sure clubs will be of a similar thinking. So that F1 might be valued at somewhere between 13-18, but still need to know about the matching bid situation before we know for sure what that means for trading into this year.

I suppose that's a double edge sword and you can use that reasoning to say pick 2 isnt worth much this year because there's no elite talent at the top and therefore last years reasoning applies to this year and pick 2 wont have that high a cost

Imo(and from reading peoples thoughts on the draft) the gap between the top few picks and the guys available at the late teens picks(after academies and compo picks) is larger than the gap between 3 and 14-16 last year, so those top picks are more valuable relative to the mid teens picks.

Anyways, im sure the Swans can get it done somehow

 

[Scotland]

I dont understand how everyone is so definitive Sydney dont have the currency for pick 2. Literally last year WC traded 3 for 13 and 14 (pre-bids).

They do, but not in picks alone.

Last year's trade still gives me PTSD but WC downgraded 3 to 15 to get Liam Baker. Believe what you want about how highly we rated Bo Allan vs the top 3 vs anyone that went 4-15 (I don't get into those discussions because I don't watch the U/18s and am not a journo so don't make a living repeating other people's opinions as fact) but Baker was the reason we did the trade. If you go back to 2022 we split 3 into 9 and 14 because we wanted Ginbey and Hewett. This year if we have pick 2 then that means we have 1, 2 and say 15, 25 before bidding. It's a different equation to previous years where we've been going in with one pick in the top 3 and then our second pick at 30.

Sydney's first pick this year will be 10-15. Their first pick next year will likely be 15-25. Why would anyone trade pick 2 for that? WC may well trade pick 2 but there needs to be a motivation to do so. Helping Carlton get an early pick and Sydney get Curnow does nothing for WC. If 10 and a future first is worth pick 2 then just trade it to Carlton.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

They do, but not in picks alone.

Last year's trade still gives me PTSD but WC downgraded 3 to 15 to get Liam Baker. Believe what you want about how highly we rated Bo Allan vs the top 3 vs anyone that went 4-15 (I don't get into those discussions because I don't watch the U/18s and am not a journo so don't make a living repeating other people's opinions as fact) but Baker was the reason we did the trade. If you go back to 2022 we split 3 into 9 and 14 because we wanted Ginbey and Hewett. This year if we have pick 2 then that means we have 1, 2 and say 15, 25 before bidding. It's a different equation to previous years where we've been going in with one pick in the top 3 and then our second pick at 30.

Sydney's first pick this year will be 10-15. Their first pick next year will likely be 15-25. Why would anyone trade pick 2 for that? WC may well trade pick 2 but there needs to be a motivation to do so. Helping Carlton get an early pick and Sydney get Curnow does nothing for WC. If 10 and a future first is worth pick 2 then just trade it to Carlton.

I wont be definitive because too much crazy shit happens during trade period where clubs do very confusing things but i dont think 9 and a F1 from Sydney is that far off for a club like WC who have such a strong history of trading down from the top.

I think this goes doubly if they block off the first round from bids next year, a future 1st will be pretty appealing.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it, I definitely thinks its easily possible.

 

[EagleMan87]

Maybe but sorry, that feels like WC supporters trying to tie yourselves in knots to dispute a glaringly recent and applicable example.

We needed the split last year as currency to bring Baker across, plus it was a deeper draft.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

I wont be definitive because too much crazy shit happens during trade period where clubs do very confusing things but i dont think 9 and a F1 from Sydney is that far off for a club like WC who have such a strong history of trading down from the top.

I think this goes doubly if they block off the first round from bids next year, a future 1st will be pretty appealing.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it, I definitely thinks its easily possible.

I really don't think so, it's perfectly reasonable to assume Sydney will be back up to top 4 next year, especially with Curnow added. There would have to be more involved.

 

[stallon]

I wont be definitive because too much crazy shit happens during trade period where clubs do very confusing things but i dont think 9 and a F1 from Sydney is that far off for a club like WC who have such a strong history of trading down from the top.

I think this goes doubly if they block off the first round from bids next year, a future 1st will be pretty appealing.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it, I definitely thinks its easily possible.

This year the incentive to split just isnt there like there was in 2022 and 2024.
I think we will try to split one of the picks but only IF an incredible offer came through, we dont need to this year.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This year the incentive to split just isnt there like there was in 2022 and 2024.
I think we will try to split one of the picks but only IF an incredible offer came through, we dont need to this year.

Haha, yeah you know my thoughts on WC splitting these picks. Hopefully you dont

I really don't think so, it's perfectly reasonable to assume Sydney will be back up to top 4 next year, especially with Curnow added. There would have to be more involved.

 

[Shueygod]

I wont be definitive because too much crazy shit happens during trade period where clubs do very confusing things but i dont think 9 and a F1 from Sydney is that far off for a club like WC who have such a strong history of trading down from the top.

I think this goes doubly if they block off the first round from bids next year, a future 1st will be pretty appealing.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it, I definitely thinks its easily possible.

This is just assuming all picks across years are equal and disregarding the players attached. Last year there was not a lot splitting the bloke going at 3 and the one at 12, hence why North struggled to split pick 2.

This year there is a definitive gap between the top end and mid first round (even if the top end isn’t as good as last year).

It would take a lot more as even if the top picks are worth less than last year, mid firsts are worth far less than last year.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is just assuming all picks across years are equal and disregarding the players attached. Last year there was not a lot splitting the bloke going at 3 and the one at 12, hence why North struggled to split pick 2.

This year there is a definitive gap between the top end and mid first round (even if the top end isn’t as good as last year).

It would take a lot more as even if the top picks are worth less than last year, mid firsts are worth far less than last year.

Everyone on Bigfooty always spins the draft to what works for their own bias in my opinion. Im sure someone from Sydney would say its even blah blah blah.

End of the day, surely none of you guys would be surprised if WC break it up again

 

[Shueygod]

Everyone on Bigfooty always spins the draft to what works for their own bias in my opinion. Im sure someone from Sydney would say its even blah blah blah.

End of the day, surely none of you guys would be surprised if WC break it up again

This is the general consensus of both drafts, and has been for a fairly long time.

I would encourage the eagles to split if they were able to obtain a pick in the top 6, it won’t be for 9 and a f1 that’s for sure.

 

[Scotland]

Everyone on Bigfooty always spins the draft to what works for their own bias in my opinion. Im sure someone from Sydney would say its even blah blah blah.

End of the day, surely none of you guys would be surprised if WC break it up again

And whoever their club drafts suddenly becomes the guy they would've picked earlier anyway.

Freo had 12, 14, 21 and ended up with 17 + Bolton. Did they really plan all along to take Murphy Reid at 17? I highly doubt it. He was available, they picked him and he had an immediate impact. Wins all round. I highly doubt in some parallel universe Freo use 12 and 14 to upgrade to say pick 5 and still pick Reid.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

And whoever their club drafts suddenly becomes the guy they would've picked earlier anyway.

Freo had 12, 14, 21 and ended up with 17 + Bolton. Did they really plan all along to take Murphy Reid at 17? I highly doubt it. He was available, they picked him and he had an immediate impact. Wins all round. I highly doubt in some parallel universe Freo use 12 and 14 to upgrade to say pick 5 and still pick Reid.

How very dare you, Walls is the greatest list manager to known to man. We had Reid ranked at 1, 2 and 3

 

[Scotland]

How very dare you, Walls is the greatest list manager to known to man. We had Reid ranked at 1, 2 and 3

My favourite is when you are a genius for nailing a pick after already missing on another.

2017 draft when we picked Allen was great but our first pick was still a miss. If it was Allen, Ryan and Tim Kelly in whatever order we'd be laughing but that's footy.

 

[briztoon]

I wont be definitive because too much crazy shit happens during trade period where clubs do very confusing things but i dont think 9 and a F1 from Sydney is that far off for a club like WC who have such a strong history of trading down from the top.

I think this goes doubly if they block off the first round from bids next year, a future 1st will be pretty appealing.

Will be interesting to see what comes of it, I definitely thinks its easily possible.

I wonder if Sydney can trade their future first for two decent second round picks in this year’s draft, and then attempt to trade up to Ports pick that Gold Coast holds.

 

[Shueygod]

I wonder if Sydney can trade their future first for two decent second round picks in this year’s draft, and then attempt to trade up to Ports pick that Gold Coast holds.

Why would the eagles not just trade up to ports pick with the seconds they possess?

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

I wonder if Sydney can trade their future first for two decent second round picks in this year’s draft, and then attempt to trade up to Ports pick that Gold Coast holds.

They'd have to add more. The best combo of seconds is north with (currently) 20 and 21. That's already less points than 6 and will be worse once more f/a compo is given out.

Besides, if gc are gonna split it no one can give better value than west coast, assuming they hold on to both pick 1 and 2.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I dont understand how everyone is so definitive Sydney dont have the currency for pick 2. Literally last year WC traded 3 for 13 and 14 (pre-bids).

First point. The depth in the 2024 draft was much better than this year. What you will get in the early teens in 2025 is more like what was available in the 20's in 2024

Second point and it pains me to say it. Matty Clarke is a good list manager but a terrible negotiator. Hopefully The Don has given someone else that role in 2025.