List Mgmt. Welcome Campbell Chesser (Pick 14, 2021 National Draft)

[Shueygod]

I don’t understand the reluctance for a 3rd year when we have bucketloads of cap space and blokes like Owies/Hutch contracted for as long or longer.

Plenty of options to be paid out and these guys are not going to be on big coin.

 

[mattyc75]

4 years, only had one season free of injury.

What attribute do you think limits him from becoming a best 22 wingmen?

Ability to stay on the park. TBH we haven't seen what he has thats going to set him apart on a wing. He's never been a great accumulator on the outside, apparently he's better suited to inside mid, or so many ppl on here have said.
Look if he stays and continues his upward trend its great, there's probably an equally good chance he's reached his peak

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I don’t understand the reluctance for a 3rd year when we have bucketloads of cap space and blokes like Owies/Hutch contracted for as long or longer.

They've done it to themselves!

 

[bzparkes]

This is the part that frustrates me, the same blokes wanting to only give Chesser 1 year , are fine paying for the privilege of worse footballers in Erasmus/Robertson/Hobbs.

 

[Shueygod]

Ability to stay on the park. TBH we haven't seen what he has thats going to set him apart on a wing. He's never been a great accumulator on the outside, apparently he's better suited to inside mid, or so many ppl on here have said.
Look if he stays and continues his upward trend its great, there's probably an equally good chance he's reached his peak

Agreed, that is what could stop him.

Disagree we haven’t seen what sets him apart, he has elite speed and great/very good; kicking, running capacity, frame for a wingmen.

Most teams don’t have great accumulators on the outside, you’d be hard pressed to find many genuine wingmen averaging 25+ and a lot that do is down to the system they play in.

I don’t see how a 22yo, that’s had one non injury affected season would have reached his peak.

 

[Mr Q]

I don’t understand the reluctance for a 3rd year when we have bucketloads of cap space and blokes like Owies/Hutch contracted for as long or longer.

Plenty of options to be paid out and these guys are not going to be on big coin.

I reckon what you do is a two year contract, but with games triggers for an additional two (or even three) years.

So if Chesser manages (say) 36 games over the next two years, he'd get four years. If he manages that number of games, then I can only expect it would happen because he's become the player we hoped.

 

[mattyc75]

Agreed, that is what could stop him.

Disagree we haven’t seen what sets him apart, he has elite speed and great/very good; kicking, running capacity, frame for a wingmen.

Most teams don’t have great accumulators on the outside, you’d be hard pressed to find many genuine wingmen averaging 25+ and a lot that do is down to the system they play in.

I don’t see how a 22yo, that’s had one non injury affected season would have reached his peak.

I hear ya but there's always the tom swift effect where players peak when they're 16 which is the reason chesser was drafted so high

 

[Happy Mastenator]

1-0 isn't it?

Yep with Chesser ahead, also important, it was Chessers 3rd last game.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Agreed, that is what could stop him.

Disagree we haven’t seen what sets him apart, he has elite speed and great/very good; kicking, running capacity, frame for a wingmen.

Most teams don’t have great accumulators on the outside, you’d be hard pressed to find many genuine wingmen averaging 25+ and a lot that do is down to the system they play in.

I don’t see how a 22yo, that’s had one non injury affected season would have reached his peak.

By system, you mean they start on the wing then just follow the ball/contest like a centre man?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

This is the part that frustrates me, the same blokes wanting to only give Chesser 1 year , are fine paying for the privilege of worse footballers in Erasmus/Robertson/Hobbs.

I am definitely not buying Chesser being better than Erasmus.

 

[Shueygod]

By system, you mean they start on the wing then just follow the ball/contest like a centre man?

Yeah essentially, or they are fed the ball repeatedly in that quarterback role.

Think Eagles fans are disillusioned with what a wingmen is these days, particularly after Gaff.

I named 5 wingmen from finals teams on the last page who Chesser had comparable stats to.

I am definitely not buying Chesser being better than Erasmus.

Chesser has better averages despite coming back from injury and playing in a far worse side.

What have you seen from Erasmus to suggest he’s better?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Chesser has better averages despite coming back from injury and playing in a far worse side.

What have you seen from Erasmus to suggest he’s better?

Not really sure which averages you're referring to (Erasmus averages more disposals, marks and tackles than Chesser at AFL level) but Erasmus has been a very good performer at WAFL level - last year he averaged 28 disposals, 5 marks and 6 tackles per match and was best on ground in the WAFL grand final. He hasn't been playing enough at AFL level because he's been blocked by other on-ball players but I think he can be good when he plays the correct role at AFL level. He's also been good Freo's last few matches when he's gotten a little more midfield time.

 

[Shueygod]

Not really sure which averages you're referring to (Erasmus averages more disposals, marks and tackles than Chesser at AFL level) but Erasmus has been a very good performer at WAFL level - last year he averaged 28 disposals, 5 marks and 6 tackles per match and was best on ground in the WAFL grand final. He hasn't been playing enough at AFL level because he's been blocked by other on-ball players but I think he can be good when he plays the correct role at AFL level. He's also been good Freo's last few matches when he's gotten a little more midfield time.

I was referring to averages this season, I don’t understand how anything else would be relevant.

They’ve been playing the same role in the AFL, I don’t believe WAFL form is a good indicator of AFL ability. We’ve seen many great state league players look completely out of place in the AFL.

Erasmus has serious questions on speed and disposal, to make it he would need to become elite at winning contested ball.

 

[FKASC]

Not like pueygod to grossly overrate WC players!

 

[Shueygod]

Not like pueygod to grossly overrate WC players!

Where?

By saying he’s worth more to us than a f2?

Or when I compared his statistics to wingmen in finals teams?

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I was referring to averages this season, I don’t understand how anything else would be relevant.

Well if that's the case, Chesser has a tiny sample size (four matches) and Erasmus' averages are also being hurt by the fact that he came into two matches late as the sub.

They’ve been playing the same role in the AFL, I don’t believe WAFL form is a good indicator of AFL ability. We’ve seen many great state league players look completely out of place in the AFL.

Erasmus has serious questions on speed and disposal, to make it he would need to become elite at winning contested ball.

Fair enough. I just rate Erasmus more highly than you do.

 

[stallon]

I said as a bonus, I wouldn't sign him up to anything more than 1-2 year deal based on what's he's produced.

We would lose him for basically nothing.

Id rather Chesser over basically nothing, even when taking into account the list spot squeeze.

Id be happy with 3 years if thats what it took to keep him.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Jeez people!
He’ll ether stay in Perth because he has great friendships here and likes the lifestyle, or he’ll go home be around family a lot more and spend more time with old friends.
Every persons family situation is different and guides our decision making more often than not.
Most people choose to live close to family, it’s pretty normal isn’t it?

Only a quiche eater would prefer to live close to family.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Only a quiche eater would prefer to live close to family.

I’ve lived in Broome 2500km’s away from mine for 22 years

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Not really sure which averages you're referring to (Erasmus averages more disposals, marks and tackles than Chesser at AFL level) but Erasmus has been a very good performer at WAFL level - last year he averaged 28 disposals, 5 marks and 6 tackles per match and was best on ground in the WAFL grand final. He hasn't been playing enough at AFL level because he's been blocked by other on-ball players but I think he can be good when he plays the correct role at AFL level. He's also been good Freo's last few matches when he's gotten a little more midfield time.

I think you're really underplaying the challenges in playing for a team as bad as us (including our WAFL). I think you throw many of our younger players into Freo's system, yes they'd likely play WAFL but they'll have much better performances for Peel than they do for the Beagles.

Think the fact that Chess has come in from our WAFL system and looked at the level is very promising. Even our obviously talented players like Hewett and Hough (when playing midfield) are inconsistent and at times look very average.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Club: Hutch >> Chess

One > for every extra year of the contract.

 

[ghostbat12]

I'm pretty confident that Jobe Shananan, Brady Hough and Tom (not so young) McCarthy are close to certainties. I reckon Hewett, Maric and (surprisingly) Harry Edwards are pretty good bets for at least 150 gamers.

And we have a long string of players who've shown something, of which I like the chances of at several to be successful (Chesser, Brockman, Brock, J.Williams, Dewar, Long, Hutchinson, Hall, A.Reid, Davis, Gross). These are the guys that when the team improves as game plans get ingrained, as the top players get better, they just look so much better suddenly, because it's a team game, not all individuals.

A good team is not made up of all champions - it's made up of a few very good players, and a lot of players who can fill a role.

I love it when people rattle off names as though just naming them builds a case. I can rattle off Essendon names too. Or North. Zane duursma, why not?

We are talking about certainties and Essendon have far many certainties at moment than we do.

Ps, McCarthy isn’t “young”.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I love it when people rattle off names as though just naming them builds a case. I can rattle off Essendon names too. Or North. Zane duursma, why not?

We are talking about certainties and Essendon have far many certainties at moment than we do.

Ps, McCarthy isn’t “young”.

McCarthy isn’t young but neither is Durham, who you included as an Essendon certainty. That was their point.

Also Kako as anything other than a pure speculation player at this point is laughable, a certainty he is not.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I love it when people rattle off names as though just naming them builds a case. I can rattle off Essendon names too. Or North. Zane duursma, why not?

We are talking about certainties and Essendon have far many certainties at moment than we do.

Ps, McCarthy isn’t “young”.

Why do you hate the club you supposedly support?

Players 22 and under, with 4 or more games this year, how many do you think are West Coast v Essendon players in the top 10 of AFL ratings?

How many in comparing West Coast v North?

I can tell you it's:
West Coast 7 v Essendon 3
West Coast 6 v North 4

 

[lloydbraun]

Yeh? What talent apart from Reid and ginbey do you think we have? Essendon young players include Zach Reid, Kako, caddy and Durham. These are top notch youngsters who are performing.

Up against Harley Reid and maybe ginbey who are certainties. And that’s it. Rest is still speculation.

So let’s not analyse others and talk about up and coming talent. They have a few other logs on fire which could take 2-3 years.

I love it when people rattle off names as though just naming them builds a case. I can rattle off Essendon names too. Or North. Zane duursma, why not?

We are talking about certainties and Essendon have far many certainties at moment than we do.

Ps, McCarthy isn’t “young”.

Well, you weren't wrong when you said you love it.