List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[GenericUsername202]

I like Ridley, but come on.. Draper, Allen and Ridley? All 3 of these players have had terrible injury problems. It's fine taking a risk on 1 or maybe 2, but this could blow up in our face big time. And given our injury list over the last 2 seasons, i don't think we're as good on the injury front as some may believe.

 

[mattsmob]

I like Ridley, but come on.. Draper, Allen and Ridley? All 3 of these players have had terrible injury problems. It's fine taking a risk on 1 or maybe 2, but this could blow up in our face big time. And given our injury list over the last 2 seasons, i don't think we're as good on the injury front as some may believe.

Hard to really comment without having more information. If the medical staff and club believes they can bring them in and they’ve still got something to offer then I’ll back them in. Ridley and Allen are both genuine A graders when fit and Draper is a massive list need.

Bombers and Eagles haven’t exactly been well ran clubs recently either

 

[mpal6]

I like Ridley, but come on.. Draper, Allen and Ridley? All 3 of these players have had terrible injury problems. It's fine taking a risk on 1 or maybe 2, but this could blow up in our face big time. And given our injury list over the last 2 seasons, i don't think we're as good on the injury front as some may believe.

Look, we love maintaining a backlog of players in our injury ward. If Coleman, Doedee and Payne exit early in the year and Answerth leaves the ward by the middle of year - then we need backfills to cover those spots.

These 3 makes perfect sense so we can keep our medicos on their toes. Can't be paying them for doing nothing.

 

[Section 5]

Allen:
I was not that keen as injury prone. But with Hipwood now out i agree he is needed to help out Morris.
However, we are still just adding another injury prone player to our list.

Draper:
I would just stick to Fort in 2026 and put out feelers for 2027. Maybe Oscar comes good.
Draper could be great or just another player on our list that is injury prone.
I hope he chooses the Crows.

Ridley:
Don't see how we fit him in.
Also, just another injury prone player that has averaged just 10 games the last 2 seasons.

Brisbane Record of Trading in Injury Prone Players.
I don't think it is as good as people keep saying
Essendon have often mentioned Jo Daniher was already rehabilitated and over his issues prior to coming to Lions.
** Came to Lions with injury history

Year Of Trade	Player	Pick Number or Approximate Numbers	Lions AFL Games From Draft Guru
2017	Cameron	12	177
	Hodge	40's	41
2018	**Adams	32 + R3	46
	**McCarthy	P50	122
	Neale	6 + 19	157
	Lyons	DFA	102
	Madden	International	13
2019	Ah-Chee	R2 +R4	120
	Birchall	UFA	39
	**Ellis-Yoeman	UFA	9
2020	Cockatoo	R3	15
	Daniher	RFA	96
	Uosis	International	0
	Lane	Mid Season	0
2021	Fort	50	45
	Cox	Preseason Sup Selection	0
2022	Dunkley	short version 21 + R1 + R2	74
	Gunston	45	17
	Joyce	Preseason Sup. selection	11
	McKenna	Preseason Sup. Selection	49
2023	Ryan	50	1
	**Doedee	RFA	1
	McLachlan	Mid-Season	6
	Beecken	Mid Season	1
	Craven	Mid Season	0
2024	**Day	Pre Season	13

 

[GenericUsername202]

Hard to really comment without having more information. If the medical staff and club believes they can bring them in and they’ve still got something to offer then I’ll back them in. Ridley and Allen are both genuine A graders when fit and Draper is a massive list need.

Bombers and Eagles haven’t exactly been well ran clubs recently either

The problem is, Ridley isn't going to walk through our door like Draper and Allen would. We would have to pay quite a bit for him, and that only heightens the risk.

 

[M Malice]

Allen:
I was not that keen as injury prone. But with Hipwood now out i agree he is needed to help out Morris.
However, we are still just adding another injury prone player to our list.

Draper:
I would just stick to Fort in 2026 and put out feelers for 2027. Maybe Oscar comes good.
Draper could be great or just another player on our list that is injury prone.
I hope he chooses the Crows.

Ridley:
Don't see how we fit him in.
Also, just another injury prone player that has averaged just 10 games the last 2 seasons.

Brisbane Record of Trading in Injury Prone Players.
I don't think it is as good as people keep saying
Essendon have often mentioned Jo Daniher was already rehabilitated and over his issues prior to coming to Lions.
** Came to Lions with injury history

Year Of Trade	Player	Pick Number or Approximate Numbers	Lions AFL Games From Draft Guru
2017	Cameron	12	177
	Hodge	40's	41
2018	**Adams	32 + R3	46
	**McCarthy	P50	122
	Neale	6 + 19	157
	Lyons	DFA	102
	Madden	International	13
2019	Ah-Chee	R2 +R4	120
	Birchall	UFA	39
	**Ellis-Yoeman	UFA	9
2020	Cockatoo	R3	15
	Daniher	RFA	96
	Uosis	International	0
	Lane	Mid Season	0
2021	Fort	50	45
	Cox	Preseason Sup Selection	0
2022	Dunkley	short version 21 + R1 + R2	74
	Gunston	45	17
	Joyce	Preseason Sup. selection	11
	McKenna	Preseason Sup. Selection	49
2023	Ryan	50	1
	**Doedee	RFA	1
	McLachlan	Mid-Season	6
	Beecken	Mid Season	1
	Craven	Mid Season	0
2024	**Day	Pre Season	13

Failures to varying degrees in hindsight >

Marcus Adams
James Madden
Grant Birchall
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Nakia Cockatoo
Deividas Uosis
Kalin Lane
Mitchell Cox
Jack Gunston
Darragh Joyce(Good depth?)
Brandon Ryan
Darcy Craven

Doedee, McLachlan, Beecken, Day too early to tell.

Successes from masterstrokes to valuable >

Charlie Cameron
Luke Hodge
Linc McCarthy
Lachie Neale
Jarryd Lyons
Callum Ah Chee
Joe Daniher
Darcy Fort
Josh Dunkley
Conor McKenna
_________________
Positives outweigh the negatives IMO as without a few of the positives we are not as competitive over the last 7 seasons and no flag in 2024.

 

[mpal6]

Allen:
I was not that keen as injury prone. But with Hipwood now out i agree he is needed to help out Morris.
However, we are still just adding another injury prone player to our list.

Draper:
I would just stick to Fort in 2026 and put out feelers for 2027. Maybe Oscar comes good.
Draper could be great or just another player on our list that is injury prone.
I hope he chooses the Crows.

Ridley:
Don't see how we fit him in.
Also, just another injury prone player that has averaged just 10 games the last 2 seasons.

Brisbane Record of Trading in Injury Prone Players.
I don't think it is as good as people keep saying
Essendon have often mentioned Jo Daniher was already rehabilitated and over his issues prior to coming to Lions.
** Came to Lions with injury history

Year Of Trade	Player	Pick Number or Approximate Numbers	Lions AFL Games From Draft Guru
2017	Cameron	12	177
	Hodge	40's	41
2018	**Adams	32 + R3	46
	**McCarthy	P50	122
	Neale	6 + 19	157
	Lyons	DFA	102
	Madden	International	13
2019	Ah-Chee	R2 +R4	120
	Birchall	UFA	39
	**Ellis-Yoeman	UFA	9
2020	Cockatoo	R3	15
	Daniher	RFA	96
	Uosis	International	0
	Lane	Mid Season	0
2021	Fort	50	45
	Cox	Preseason Sup Selection	0
2022	Dunkley	short version 21 + R1 + R2	74
	Gunston	45	17
	Joyce	Preseason Sup. selection	11
	McKenna	Preseason Sup. Selection	49
2023	Ryan	50	1
	**Doedee	RFA	1
	McLachlan	Mid-Season	6
	Beecken	Mid Season	1
	Craven	Mid Season	0
2024	**Day	Pre Season	13

I think we can save Draper coin and see if Max Heath would like to join us from Saints.

I know Demons have an offer for him but he's a Lions fan growing up - I believe we can still get him if keen.

He's past the growing phase, looks filled out and ready to go in the 1 or 2 games I saw him this year.

 

[braddsey]

Failures to varying degrees in hindsight >

Marcus Adams
James Madden
Grant Birchall
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Nakia Cockatoo
Deividas Uosis
Kalin Lane
Mitchell Cox
Jack Gunston
Darragh Joyce(Good depth?)
Brandon Ryan
Darcy Craven

Doedee, McLachlan, Beecken, Day too early to tell.

Successes from masterstrokes to valuable >

Charlie Cameron
Luke Hodge
Linc McCarthy
Lachie Neale
Jarryd Lyons
Callum Ah Chee
Joe Daniher
Darcy Fort
Josh Dunkley
Conor McKenna
_________________
Positives outweigh the negatives IMO as without a few of the positives we are not as competitive over the last 7 seasons and no flag in 2024.

I think your failure list is too long. I don't think it's fair to include draftees or cat-B rookies that hardly played - these players are speculative and cost us nothing. Not every selection is going to work out and these players have little/no exposed form. You didn't include all our successful draftees in the success list.

• Deividas Uosis
• Kalin Lane
• Mitchell Cox
• Darcy Craven
• James Madden (though he could be arguable, he was on the list for 6 years).

• Grant Burchall: I'd also argue wasn't a failure. He played 39 games across 2 seasons. He didn't set the world on fire, but he provided coverage while other young backmen developed. He gets measured a bit harshly for me - he was never going to be another Luke Hodge.
• Darrah Joyce - I think he was only ever brought in a depth and cost us nothing. He did a job last year when needed.
• Marcus Adams - I'll give you this one reluctantly. He was unfortunately struck down by concussion, but we did get his body right and he was well on his way to success before the concussion.

 

[Section 5]

What i got out of my list above.

(1)-If you pay up a reasonable price for a good player that's not injury prone to start with you more likely get rewarded
(2)- International players have been a bust for us. Pierce Hanley came through the rookie draft in 2007
(3)- Suns gave us two gems basically for nothing 2 years running.

 

[Nathan Barley]

So if we get an end of first rounder from West Coast for Starce and a second rounder for Ah Chee. Surely we can find a way to get Ridley and points for Annable. Even if we lose next year's first

 

[Saucery]

I thought The Queen Mary predominantly played as a small, pressure forward? Not sure that's a fair comparison to Gallop

You're thinking of Mary Queen of Scots.

 

[Saucery]

Would be for Ridley I would think, no chance of us going after Merrett let alone getting him imo

Na he's off to GWS.

 

[Section 5]

I think your failure list is too long. I don't think it's fair to include draftees or cat-B rookies that hardly played - these players are speculative and cost us nothing. Not every selection is going to work out and these players have little/no exposed form. You didn't include all our successful draftees in the success list.

• Deividas Uosis
• Kalin Lane
• Mitchell Cox
• Darcy Craven
• James Madden (though he could be arguable, he was on the list for 6 years).

• Grant Burchall: I'd also argue wasn't a failure. He played 39 games across 2 seasons. He didn't set the world on fire, but he provided coverage while other young backmen developed. He gets measured a bit harshly for me - he was never going to be another Luke Hodge.
• Darrah Joyce - I think he was only ever brought in a depth and cost us nothing. He did a job last year when needed.
• Marcus Adams - I'll give you this one reluctantly. He was unfortunately struck down by concussion, but we did get his body right and he was well on his way to success before the concussion.

It is not a failure list at all. There is also no success list. It is all the players we traded in since 2017.
The list was to see the number of players brought into the Lions with a history of injuries along with every other player traded in since 2017

Are the Lions on the right or wrong side of bringing in players with a history of injuries.
I would say McCarthy is our only real success story. Adams possibly as concussion pushed him to retire.

This is all about my reluctance to bring in 3 injury prone players. I have come around to one for urgent needs being Allen.

The list is not intended to review our national draft picks as none are included.

My list was looking at trades made for existing AFL players since 2017 and getting in any other mature players.

There could be some young players on the international picks.
I did not check their ages. It was mainly to show they are mostly a bust.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I thought The Queen Mary predominantly played as a small, pressure forward? Not sure that's a fair comparison to Gallop

You're thinking of Mary Queen of Scots.

I believe both of them did well in the agility test at their respective combines.

 

[Saucery]

Failures to varying degrees in hindsight >

Marcus Adams
James Madden
Grant Birchall
Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Nakia Cockatoo
Deividas Uosis
Kalin Lane
Mitchell Cox
Jack Gunston
Darragh Joyce(Good depth?)
Brandon Ryan
Darcy Craven

Doedee, McLachlan, Beecken, Day too early to tell.

Successes from masterstrokes to valuable >

Charlie Cameron
Luke Hodge
Linc McCarthy
Lachie Neale
Jarryd Lyons
Callum Ah Chee
Joe Daniher
Darcy Fort
Josh Dunkley
Conor McKenna
_________________
Positives outweigh the negatives IMO as without a few of the positives we are not as competitive over the last 7 seasons and no flag in 2024.

Not only that but the myth keeps players seeking us out, OK maybe we don't get the Riddler this year but there's nothing wrong with multiple players saying they want to come here. I just adds to the zeitgeist that is the Lions.

 

[Saucery]

So if we get an end of first rounder from West Coast for Starce and a second rounder for Ah Chee. Surely we can find a way to get Ridley and points for Annable. Even if we lose next year's first

A second rounder for Ah Chee? Wow a premiership hero's value has dropped like a stone, surely early second at least?

 

[Nathan Barley]

A second rounder for Ah Chee? Wow a premiership hero's value has dropped like a stone, surely early second at least?

Hopefully but hes playing pretty average footy this year

The crows paid pick 28 for Alex Neal Bullen last year so he might be worth around that mark

 

[blueiris]

Mitch Cleary said Draper has chosen Brisbane on the news

 

[Elixuh]

Mitch Cleary said Draper has chosen Brisbane on the news

Tom14

 

[Elixuh]

I for one welcome Drapes with open arms.

 

[Saucery]

Tom14

Better send an ambulance round to Tom's house.

 

[Tom14]

Tom14

 

[Tom14]

Lions ‘hot favourite’ - he doesn’t say ‘has chosen.’

 

[lionsrules]

 

[braddsey]

...and last touch out of bound rule for 2026.