List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[TheBudgies]

Grjl isnt a top ten pick. His production or output is far too low.

Might be top 10 in the open pool so 15th total?

 

[noobermensch]

Would not be unhappy at all if we ended up picking him. Similar sort of a player to Sharp. Who do you have ahead out of the two noobermensch?

Greeves definitely more physically developed. Looks a tad slower? But his kicking looks arguably better? Sharp's defensive pressure and tackling seems a notch above I would have thought but

I think people are getting confused with Greeves pace, which I understand given his play style. He rarely puts the foot down, and in space typically cruises at medium pace while assessing options. When he needs to motor he can motor. He's not Sam Grlj but he's not slow, and his agility in tight spaces for a guy his size is a fantastic asset.

Comparing Sharp and Greeves, Sharp has a massive edge defensively. His comp is more of a Dunkley type with his big body, long arms and intent to clean up anything that comes in his area. He's diligent with his defensive running, and like Dunkley is excellent in the air.

Greeves is much more attack focused. Hunts the ball and prefers to break forward into attacking space. Can carry the ball inside to out with run and agility through traffic, and also loves to run alongside a ball carrier for linking handball chains. His disposal is more penetrating and for the most part superior to Sharp, although Greeves can get lazy with his technique and shank kicks he should be making at times. Greeves has shown signs of defensive improvement since the Champs, but he's still a long way behind Sharp. I've seen people claim that he's a lazy runner. I don't think that's true, but he definitely runs much more intensely and enthusiastically when he sniffs a chance to get the footy.

If you're thinking about the composition of the ideal midfield, you typically want a Sharp type in the mix who can cover for other, more attack oriented mids, sweep the defensive side of the stoppage, ensure the opponent doesnt get those damaging center breaks out through the front. These kind of defensive mids are typically that bigger Sharp/Greeves size, but I don't think Greeves will ever be that type of player as it doesnt at this stage seem to come naturally to him. Greeves will need to play alongside a Sharp/Dunkley type to cover for him.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Comparing Sharp and Greeves, Sharp has a massive edge defensively. His comp is more of a Dunkley type with his big body, long arms and intent to clean up anything that comes in his area. He's diligent with his defensive running, and like Dunkley is excellent in the air.

This is exactly what we need. How anyone on here thinks anything different isn't watching enough of the lions. He is the player that frees up that midfield capacity to attack.

Just take sharp

 

[Elite Pete]

This is exactly what we need. How anyone on here thinks anything different isn't watching enough of the lions. He is the player that frees up that midfield capacity to attack.

Just take sharp

Yep while also having the ability to hurt you at stoppages and find enough of the ball himself

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Grjl isnt a top ten pick. His production or output is far too low.

I was impressed at the start of the season but Grjl did not progress throughout the year as I had expected. Was he out of position 8n the carnival? Is it game plan? Something else?

Maybe for a club like Richmond in their build but I agree and don’t think we can use a top 10 pick.

 

[noobermensch]

I prematurely declared CDT's season over in my last video on him, but unfortunately this truly is his last game for season 2025 after his Cannons took a heavy loss to the red-hot Ranges. This wasn't as strong a performance this week for CDT, again splitting his time pretty evenly between ruck and deep forward where he was largely starved of opportunities with Ranges dominating territory. He did show his immense talent in moments, including one huge grab in the goal square that the umpire inexplicably refused to pay.

CDT ends his season in rarefied air as an elite prospect and a probable top 5 pick.

 

[noobermensch]

It's been an indifferent close to the season for Lindsay, but this was a step up on his past couple of performances. The crazy wind on the day effected his ability to slice the game open with attacking corridor kicks like he normally does, but that didn't stop him from going for it and you have to admire his confidence. He turned the ball over a few times, including one bad handball that led directly to a goal, but his defensive intent was excellent, and he closed space well all game to disrupt opponents with tackles and smothers.

 

[txbyhull]

Lack of impact with his disposal, lack of speed, lack of outside game, scoreboard impact and new rules that will reduce the amount of stoppages

Not the least impactful by any means, he definitely doesn't waste it and he wins the contested ball better than anyone else in the class, such that I'd rather take him as purely an extractor to get it out to Harley and Hewett rather than asking him to really break games open.
Lack of speed I find to be significantly overblown. He isn't the quickest, and he's definitely not a quick accelerator, but at top speed he's average. Definitely worse athletes that are successful at AFL level, admittedly a worry considering the way the game is going but you still need at least one of the big body contested archetypes on your list, and the closest we have is Clay f***ing Hall.
Outside game I'll take but if you look at (not saying they're even comparable at this age) Rowell, he came in with admittedly more of one but still not a lot of an outside game, and he's developed it over time. We don't really need him to come in and do that right away either, we'd be drafting him for exactly what he's good at right now.
Scoreboard impact is so so, the more the merrier but we've got the likes of Harley, Hewett, and even to some degree Kelly and Gross (with time) can also hit the scoreboard.
Less stoppages IS a reasonable concern and I'll cop that one.

Think Sharp is really the best of a bad bunch tbh

 

[txbyhull]

You are honestly comparing an 18 yo kid with a 7 year AFL veteran who happens to be perhaps the worst 90 game player in the history of WCE. Even now, he'd be better than BW.

lmao

 

[txbyhull]

No one knows for about 3 years who the better player will be... Just draft for attributes they are good at at the moment... And what we need

so... a contested pig?

 

[txbyhull]

Averaging 33.5 disposals and 2.5 goals the last 2 weeks after just transitioning to midfield and has a huge frame and not worth a look in?

If he keeps this up he could go top 5

If he was better by foot and had a bit more going on in his noggin when it came to decision making, I'd be taking him with our 2nd rounder. Hopefully with the run they're on we get a couple more games out of Ranges and get a better sample size for his foot skills and use of said skills

 

[txbyhull]

Would not be unhappy at all if we ended up picking him. Similar sort of a player to Sharp. Who do you have ahead out of the two noobermensch?

Greeves definitely more physically developed. Looks a tad slower? But his kicking looks arguably better? Sharp's defensive pressure and tackling seems a notch above I would have thought but

Not as itk about the prospects as our lord and saviour noob by any means, but from what I've gathered Greeves has a bit more outside game and use by foot, but Sharp has other big pluses to his game being his defensive pressure and tackling as mentioned but also leadership and intangibles that lift his teammates (good to note his CV also features more games against adults). Interesting note as Noob mentioned above is Greeves has shown recently the ability to play up forward and be a difficult match up. Something to definitely take note of.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Don’t understand the love for Dyson sharp, if eagles don’t select him I can see him falling to the mid teens.

Then you may want to read a few of my posts a little bit back. Makes everyone walk taller and be a better version of themselves.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I prematurely declared CDT's season over in my last video on him, but unfortunately this truly is his last game for season 2025 after his Cannons took a heavy loss to the red-hot Ranges. This wasn't as strong a performance this week for CDT, again splitting his time pretty evenly between ruck and deep forward where he was largely starved of opportunities with Ranges dominating territory. He did show his immense talent in moments, including one huge grab in the goal square that the umpire inexplicably refused to pay.

CDT ends his season in rarefied air as an elite prospect and a probable top 5 pick.

Reminds me of a shorter, more agile and skilled Darcy Cameron (Collingwood) without the strong marking at full extension. I'd be concerned about a loss of agility as he ages, as he's not an explosive fast-twitch athlete by any measure.

Endurance A
Disposal A+
Ball Winning B+
Marking C-
Ruckwork C-

 

[squashface]

I’ve genuinely seen nothing from CDT that explains to me why he has consistently rated as a top 3 pick pretty much all year.

From watching his vision and seeing his stats, he seems like a mid to late first rounder to me.

If you can’t be good, be tall.

 

[rebel23]

so... a contested pig?

Yep that too... But more likely to still be there mid first round... Line breakers likely to be gone by then

 

[txbyhull]

Yep that too... But more likely to still be there mid first round... Line breakers likely to be gone by then

In this draft class? Not too sure about that. Its weak but its even weaker when it comes to the inside players, you're basically looking at Sharp and Greeves and then thats it for players that will be able to play in their first season. LeRay could become that but is infinitely better using his athleticism on the wing, Onley and Robey both are too raw to be contributing in their first season.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If you can’t be good, be tall.

Cox!

 

[rebel23]

In this draft class? Not too sure about that. Its weak but its even weaker when it comes to the inside players, you're basically looking at Sharp and Greeves and then thats it for players that will be able to play in their first season. LeRay could become that but is infinitely better using his athleticism on the wing, Onley and Robey both are too raw to be contributing in their first season.

We have Harley Hewett, dead yeo, Graham too compensate inside...

Outside speedsters and line breakers we have diddly sweet f..k all

 

[FatPizza]

Cox!

3rd best ruckman in the comp apparently!

 

[txbyhull]

We have Harley Hewett, dead yeo, Graham too compensate inside...

Outside speedsters and line breakers we have diddly sweet f..k all

Harley, Hewett, Graham all aren’t inside players that win it underneath and feed it out. Yeo is, but we can’t rely on him. Surely you’ve seen our clearance numbers this season. Outside run and carry doesn’t mean if we don’t even get the chance to have the ball. If we aren’t going to have a good ruck any time soon we at least need someone to get first hands on the footy, bring some defensive pressure and feed it to the guys like Harley and Hewett to actually be damaging forward of center.

 

[rebel23]

Harley, Hewett, Graham all aren’t inside players that win it underneath and feed it out. Yeo is, but we can’t rely on him. Surely you’ve seen our clearance numbers this season. Outside run and carry doesn’t mean if we don’t even get the chance to have the ball. If we aren’t going to have a good ruck any time soon we at least need someone to get first hands on the footy, bring some defensive pressure and feed it to the guys like Harley and Hewett to actually be damaging forward of center.

Both arguments have merit...

Basically comes down to whether you want a combo of
1. Sharp, duursma, and maybe leray
vs
2. Duursma, grijl, phillipou/swaddling

 

[Barrybran]

Then you may want to read a few of my posts a little bit back. Makes everyone walk taller and be a better version of themselves.

Dying Sharp or your posting?

 

[Barrybran]

Reminds me of a shorter, more agile and skilled Darcy Cameron (Collingwood) without the strong marking at full extension. I'd be concerned about a loss of agility as he ages, as he's not an explosive fast-twitch athlete by any measure.

Endurance A
Disposal A+
Ball Winning B+
Marking C-
Ruckwork C-

You'd be pretty happy if he turns out like Cameron, just not for pick 1

 

[txbyhull]

Both arguments have merit...

Basically comes down to whether you want a combo of
1. Sharp, duursma, and maybe leray
vs
2. Duursma, grijl, phillipou/swaddling

I think we take Sharp, Duursma, and then just BPA at whatever our third pick lands. I’d like a LeRay or Barker to settle on a wing but could also go for a Noah Hibbens, Marsh, Grlj if he falls, even Oudshoorn-Bennier as a classy midfielder