List Mgmt. Contracts Discussion - 2025

[BSD]

I recall H.Edwards having a beast game a couple of years ago.... I think he took 23 marks and broke the WAFL record?

He definitely has some ability and we need a beast KPD to man the big blokes, and Gov's not getting any younger.

He's not getting delisted we are thin for KPDs.

That just proves he's a good WAFL player and nothing else. He's just a plodder.

 

[BSD]

We're going to cut a bloke after just extending him for 3 years?

Yep him and the idiot that extended his contract.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Don't need Edwards, we have Gov and ...

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

And what do you base your comments on.

Read two posts above you.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Yep him and the idiot that extended his contract.

You must have a pretty clear viewpoint on why you think Harry is so shit that we should cut him with (was it 2 or 3?) years left on his contract, with almost no mature KPD depth on the list.

Could you elaborate at all, give us some examples of the part of his game that screams "plodder"?

Or is that just a word used by posters on this forum to hang shit on our players without any evidence to back it up?

Honestly, anyone on this board who thinks Harry is a waste of a list spot is not paying enough attention. Perhaps WATCH the games and the player closely, because you sound clueless.

 

[WCE777]

I make it that we have 14 players out of contract.

The categories I have them in are

1. Retire Scenario

• Sheed was cooked prior to the ACL and will be 30 this year and likely to be paid out early and a place opened up with him gone before the mid season draft.
• Cripps will be 33 this year and it is highly likely Mini loves him. He is hard working and consistent. The acquisition of Owies provides strength in this position and it will likely depend on form in 2025 and how the likes of Petruccelle and Brockman go. Too early to say in this case.
• Kelly - most likely to stay and we need him in the midfield. He can also play wing and HFF so will suit the Mini game plan. I expect he goes again but would not be entitled to a $1 mln contract based on 2024 output. Start negotiations now for a 2 year extension with the second year being based on a trigger. Highly incentivise the deal
• Hunt - nothing to suggest he does not go on again. I would happily give another year and best to wait until after the bye round before starting discussions.

Cut now

• Jamieson. Nothing more to say on this topic

Free Agency calls

• Petruccelle (RFA) is still a tease and he is turning 27. I would do nothing until we see how he performs in the new game strategy. His pace would be a highly desired trait in the chaos ball but can he read the play to get in the right position. I would be fine seeing how he goes and hearing what the FA compo would be - likely only band 4.
• Cole (UFA) has been a great pick and I was surprised that Simmo did not try him as a midfielder. That said, he is only 28 and his leadership and experience is important. From all reports he is happy and settled here and I cannot see a high demand so would be happy to extend mid season assuming form and body OK.
• Allen (RFA) is the elephant in the room. No problems at all in giving him a 5 year decent deal provided his body holds up. We run the risk that the Saints, Roos or Drug Rats use up some of their salary cap and offer silly money on a long term deal. As he is a RFA, we have the right to match. I expect any deal would net us a R1 compo band so we can see how he goes, how our structure looks, how the alternatives develop and then decide late in the year whether we take a pick in the range of 3-6 or whether we match the offer.

Extend

• Hutchinson has been a stand out pre season and his transition to midfield is a big bonus. As soon as he looks to be the goods in the early par of the season, I would be offering him a 3 year extension on decent money. As a MSD rookie, he would be on very modest money so something around $500k would be likely. Without knowing all the details of the can and cannot on the rookie list, it would be a bonus to extend him as a rookie.

All to Play for in 2025

• Bazzo is a position of need and I would love to see him make it in 2025. Re-assess in the second half of the season.
• Chesser is hardly a favourite on the boards and this will be his 4th season. Time to show what you can son and stop living off the "I drove the Nullabour to get here" - Lou Painter has usurped your crown.
• Dewar - he is now a Cat A rookie and if he can show consistently what he did at the Cattery, he should be able to really make his mark in 2025. That said, re-assess in the back half of the season.
• Rawlingson was very lucky to get another year. I suspect Massey is a big fan and he may just be someone that if ignited with the chaos ball forward line. Will be likely waiting until late in the year for his AFL chances so he needs to hit the WAFL scene hard. Contract discussions on hold.
• Livingstone is a Cat B and with the likes of our NGA prospects, he will need to deliver the goods at WAFL in 2025. He is not likely to be given AFL game time ahead of both Williams, Reid or Shanahan so he is playing for a spot and will be lucky to survive.

No comment at all on Champion as he is only just joined.

Following on from comments today about Starcevich essentially parking contract talks with Brisbane for the time being, standard talk for exploring my options/I have a good offer from somewhere.
Does this mean that WC who have been keen apparently to get him across for a couple of years have a strong offer for Starcevich as a RFA?
If so does he add to our team enough to pursue as an RFA and who do we cut to make way?
A lot are suggesting its easy to come up with a certain 5 or 6 names but if Starcevich is a target WC will need 7-8 list spots available if we trade in Warner x 2, draft best mid, Curtin and 2-3 FS/NGA players. Will leave the SSP discussion until we know were that ends up.
So players:
Jamieson - delist
Sheed - retire
Rawlinson - delist
Petch - RFA trade
Chesser - trade/delist
Livingstone - might be the unlucky player who needs to make way unless he knocks the door down/delist
Bazzo - unless he can get his body right he might be a case of needed list spot/delist

I am of the opinion that Starcevich is not the highest priority player and elite mid and KDEF are our most immediate needs, Starcevich is a good lock down defender, but for the right price/contract and if he wants to come as a RFA I would add him to the list, right age bracket/26, no draft capital needed for deal, could free up others in Cole/Hough to play further up the ground?

 

[BSD]

You must have a pretty clear viewpoint on why you think Harry is so shit that we should cut him with (was it 2 or 3?) years left on his contract, with almost no mature KPD depth on the list.

Could you elaborate at all, give us some examples of the part of his game that screams "plodder"?

Or is that just a word used by posters on this forum to hang shit on our players without any evidence to back it up?

Honestly, anyone on this board who thinks Harry is a waste of a list spot is not paying enough attention. Perhaps WATCH the games and the player closely, because you sound clueless.

He's slow off the mark and forwards with a bit of speed turn him inside out like an old pair of undies.
Sure there is a spot for him on the list along with other beagles players to make up the numbers.
Is he an integral part of the rebuild then the answer is definitely no.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

He's slow off the mark and forwards with a bit of speed turn him inside out like an old pair of undies.
Sure there is a spot for him on the list along with other beagles players to make up the numbers.
Is he an integral part of the rebuild then the answer is definitely no.

Personally I've not seen enough evidence of that to put him in the "too slow" basket. Was Barrass quick? No bloody way. But he was still a very, very handy player who took some big important pack marks and intercepts when we needed him. Harry also showed us that he can move the ball with some urgency by foot, look back to the dying moments of our win against Richmond at home (the Luke Edwards game). Very smart kick to set up a rebound attack under immense pressure. I guess what I'm saying is, being fast isn't the be all and end all when you're over 200cm. He's smart and has some other great attributes that will only improve with game time.

I see Harry stepping up to that level IF he gets a clean bill of health for 2025. We've never seen more than small clusters of games from him. He's got the tools to be important for us

 

[BSD]

Personally I've not seen enough evidence of that to put him in the "too slow" basket. Was Barrass quick? No bloody way. But he was still a very, very handy player who took some big important pack marks and intercepts when we needed him. Harry also showed us that he can move the ball with some urgency by foot, look back to the dying moments of our win against Richmond at home (the Luke Edwards game). Very smart kick to set up a rebound attack under immense pressure. I guess what I'm saying is, being fast isn't the be all and end all when you're over 200cm. He's smart and has some other great attributes that will only improve with game time.

I see Harry stepping up to that level IF he gets a clean bill of health for 2025. We've never seen more than small clusters of games from him. He's got the tools to be important for us

Only time will tell which of us is right.

 

[Longwthebreeze]

Definitely in Team Rusty here.

HEdwards, like a lot of key talls has had a patchy first few years with injury and development.
Apprenticeship over, his time to buy the work Hilux, get an ABN and charge like a wounded bull!
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[new breed]

Livingstone would be unlucky , think they will find a way to keep him on ....great kick of the football and only very young for a tall and not keep another few years .

 

[Obeanie1]

Personally I've not seen enough evidence of that to put him in the "too slow" basket. Was Barrass quick? No bloody way. But he was still a very, very handy player who took some big important pack marks and intercepts when we needed him. Harry also showed us that he can move the ball with some urgency by foot, look back to the dying moments of our win against Richmond at home (the Luke Edwards game). Very smart kick to set up a rebound attack under immense pressure. I guess what I'm saying is, being fast isn't the be all and end all when you're over 200cm. He's smart and has some other great attributes that will only improve with game time.

I see Harry stepping up to that level IF he gets a clean bill of health for 2025. We've never seen more than small clusters of games from him. He's got the tools to be important for us

Harry has often shown his speed and agility are his weaknesses.

Hopefully he sorted the groin issues out as that severely restricts your power from a standing start. He has shown he isnt quick or doesnt think quickly. Either way 1 on 1 he isnt great at all defending on the lead.

 

[eaglevision]

Harry has often shown his speed and agility are his weaknesses.

Hopefully he sorted the groin issues out as that severely restricts your power from a standing start. He has shown he isnt quick or doesnt think quickly. Either way 1 on 1 he isnt great at all defending on the lead.

Harry reads the ball well and is good 1v1 in a contest but as you say if we allow any space in the D50 with him manning an even semi athletic forward we will get killed. It’s probably covered even more with Gov reading the play so well and being in the right spot.

Leaving him to wrestle in the goal square is fine but we’ll really need team defence to guard the space if he’s going to be a mainstay, particularly after Gov retires.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

With the glut of forwards and lack of proven key defenders could Livingstone turn himself into a key defender?

 

[Chris_6678]

The West Sport

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#BREAKING Kysaiah Pickett has responded to The West Australian’s report he wants to play for Fremantle next season, revealing he has told coach Simon Goodwin he is homesick.

With Brayshaw looking to sign on i think getting Warner will be easier.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The West Sport
@TheWestSport
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#BREAKING Kysaiah Pickett has responded to The West Australian’s report he wants to play for Fremantle next season, revealing he has told coach Simon Goodwin he is homesick.

With Brayshaw looking to sign on i think getting Warner will be easier.

Kysaiah and Bolton in the same forward line is scary

Agree with you - In draft capital and cap space, any Warner Brothers out of Sydney looks more and more as Eagles. To make it harder for the Frockers, I thought end this season that Kysaiah had another year to run

 

[Art OF war]

Kysaiah and Bolton in the same forward line is scary

Agree with you - In draft capital and cap space, any Warner Brothers out of Sydney looks more and more as Eagles. To make it harder for the Frockers, I thought end this season that Kysaiah had another year to run

Kysaiah does have at least 1 more year so he'll cost 2 firsts.

 

[Elite Pete]

Kysaiah does have at least 1 more year so he'll cost 2 firsts.

Depending where those firsts are but where Freo are predicted to finish, yep. Even more so with so many academy kids again this year and Tassie effected drafts after that.

They don’t have much else in the bank trade asset wise. Murphy Reid? Maybe Reidy but would have an improve a lot to be worth a pick in the 20s.

It also why I think they are unlikely for Warner unless their season goes downhill and they miss the finals.

 

[Obeanie1]

You must have a pretty clear viewpoint on why you think Harry is so shit that we should cut him with (was it 2 or 3?) years left on his contract, with almost no mature KPD depth on the list.

Could you elaborate at all, give us some examples of the part of his game that screams "plodder"?

Or is that just a word used by posters on this forum to hang shit on our players without any evidence to back it up?

Honestly, anyone on this board who thinks Harry is a waste of a list spot is not paying enough attention. Perhaps WATCH the games and the player closely, because you sound clueless.

Seriously have you not watched Harry in the past few years?

He went to Dubai to fix groin issues last off season. Issue he's been struggling with for a while. Being 200cm he is very injury pronea and has struggled to get to full fitness for years. When he does he plays a game or two of decent footy then picks up another issue.

He is not quick off the mark by any stretch. He gets badly exposed on the lead. Badly.

If you havent seen this you havent been watching.

Fingers crossed the Dubai trip has his groin fixed because we are not strong in that position.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Seriously have you not watched Harry in the past few years?

He went to Dubai to fix groin issues last off season. Issue he's been struggling with for a while. Being 200cm he is very injury pronea and has struggled to get to full fitness for years. When he does he plays a game or two of decent footy then picks up another issue.

He is not quick off the mark by any stretch. He gets badly exposed on the lead. Badly.

If you havent seen this you havent been watching.

Fingers crossed the Dubai trip has his groin fixed because we are not strong in that position.

I've watched every game he's played, and some of them live too. I guess we're seeing different things. Yeah he's not quick but I don't see him get absolutely burned off on the lead in every contest as some posters here would have me believe.

 

[Obeanie1]

I've watched every game he's played, and some of them live too. I guess we're seeing different things. Yeah he's not quick but I don't see him get absolutely burned off on the lead in every contest as some posters here would

He was getting beaten on the lead often.

And looked more than a yard off the pace many times.

So yep. We must be seeing different things.

Maybe he got burned when you were watching at the other end of the field through binoculars.

 

[boondy]

Let's get that 210cm ruckman delisted by Sydney I don't know who he is except someone said he flogged Adelaide's ruckman . Unless he is tissue paper injury prone

 

[eaglevision]

Let's get that 210cm ruckman delisted by Sydney I don't know who he is except someone said he flogged Adelaide's ruckman . Unless he is tissue paper injury prone

If anyone wanted to have a look at him the first half of their intraclub gives you an idea against a pretty solid ruckman who monsters Bailey.

Crows posters seem to view him as a tap ruckman without much versatility otherwise. If we can get our mids running through at pace he might be a handy addition. Good size too and the only reason I can see that the Crows don’t add him is because once again, their list management team have stuffed it up so there is no spot for him, like Dodson.

 

[RanaNaved]

Edwards is not quick, but Harris Andrews is a glacier and he goes alright.

My main issue with Edwards are his starting points, he seems to too often give his opponents the leading lane by standing in the wrong spots. Forward reacts first and big H is on the back foot and no chance.

We can also be much better as a team at pressuring up the field, and player's need to push back harder to fill the leading lanes, something Geelong and Sydney seem to always do well

 

[WCE777]

If anyone wanted to have a look at him the first half of their intraclub gives you an idea against a pretty solid ruckman who monsters Bailey.

Crows posters seem to view him as a tap ruckman without much versatility otherwise. If we can get our mids running through at pace he might be a handy addition. Good size too and the only reason I can see that the Crows don’t add him is because once again, their list management team have stuffed it up so there is no spot for him, like Dodson.

I must admit watching the first half was very impressive from McAndrew, ROB is no slouch, leading tap ruckman in 2024!
I also went and rewatched Flynn in the practice match and thought he did a solid job, albeit against Samson Ryan and Hayes-Brown who are early in their careers.
His VFL form looks very average, not sure why he all of a sudden beats ROB in a intra club convincingly?
Could do worse than offer him a rookie contract, looks a project like Hayes-Brown who Flynn was playing against?
WC need a decent ruck this trade period or next, maybe they have their sites on L Reidy who is OOC end of the year, will totally depend on Flynn's year, he is contracted until end of 2026 but if he keeps getting injured WC could make him fulltime AFLW ruck coach next year and put him on a rookie contract as cover?