List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[bzparkes]

CDT is 100% just going to be another Archer Reid. Likely with a better kick.

Tall athlete, no set position, still very raw but hasn't really made sweet FA impact on the competition given he's a project player.

Already got 1 of this type of player, add in Barnett and that's 2, I'll cringe if we bring in a third.

Would rather just get Cody Curt's for a bargain and throw him in the ruck. He's he same height as CDT, definitely heavier, but most importantly competes physically which is what you need in a ruckman.

Did you forget the Williams bros? We already have 4 of this type of player...

 

[Monocle]

Dream outcome imo

1. CDT
2. Trade to Ess for their F1 and F2
18. (Haw pick) Trade to Bris for Starcevich

Someone has their heart set on drafting Dougie Cochrane next year.

Your dream outcome, will ensure that.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Did you forget the Williams bros? We already have 4 of this type of player...

Bailey is 100% that player, you're right, but he's not "developing" anymore like the others, he's maxed out. He also shouldn't be on our list anymore tbh.


Jack Williams I think is slightly different from them as he's a natural forward at least and a solid backup ruck. That's his role, he's just not blessed with the athletic profile of the others.

 

[wceeaglesfan]

3 different draft roots

1 -
pick 1 Willem Duursma (utility)
pick 2 Cooper duff (ruck)
pick 16 Sullivan Robey (mid)
pick 20 - Oskar Taylor (half back)

2-
1 Willem Duursma (utility)
2 and 16 traded for Essendon's pick 4 and 5
4 Sam cummings (mid)
5 Jacob Farrow (half back)
20

3 -
1 and 20 traded for Essendon's pick 4 and 5
2 traded for GC 6 and 13
4 Cummings (mid)
5 Marsh (fwd)
6 Farrow (half back)
13 Jevan phillopu (mid)
16 Matt leray (wing)

 

[eaglespremiers]

3 -
1 and 20 traded for Essendon's pick 4 and 5
2 traded for GC 6 and 13
4 Cummings (mid)
5 Marsh (fwd)
6 Farrow (half back)
13 Jevan phillopu (mid)
16 Matt leray (wing)

If we had these picks I'd probably prefer
4. Sharp/Greeves (inside)
5. Cumming (inside-outside)
6. Grlj (outside)
13. Dovaston/Hibbins-Hargreaves (small forward)
16. Barker (wing)

Also Robey will fall somewhere in this range which will be worth considering.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If we had these picks I'd probably prefer
4. Sharp/Greeves (inside)
5. Cumming (inside-outside)
6. Grlj (outside)
13. Dovaston/Hibbins-Hargreaves (small forward)
16. Barker (wing)

Also Robey will fall somewhere in this range which will be worth considering.

If the bombers are losing Merrett, hate tsatas, delisting sheil, trading Hobbs? who are there mids moving forward.

Durham
Martin
Caldwall
Parish
Setterfield.

They will be desperate for pick one. The question is would they actually take duursma or would sharp interest them. I suspect they'd want to try and get both. Trading pick 1 for 5 6 won't happen. Theyll want to keep 5 and give up 6 8 to have a chance at sharp, especially if we have traded out pick 2. Losing Merrett will shape our strategy.

 

[bzparkes]

If the bombers are losing Merrett, hate tsatas, delisting sheil, trading Hobbs? who are there mids moving forward.

Durham
Martin
Caldwall
Parish
Setterfield.

They will be desperate for pick one. The question is would they actually take duursma or would sharp interest them. I suspect they'd want to try and get both. Trading pick 1 for 5 6 won't happen. Theyll want to keep 5 and give up 6 8 to have a chance at sharp, especially if we have traded out pick 2. Losing Merrett will shape our strategy.

If they're desperate for mids and we're desperate for mids, why would we give up 1 & 2?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If the bombers are losing Merrett, hate tsatas, delisting sheil, trading Hobbs? who are there mids moving forward.

Durham
Martin
Caldwall
Parish
Setterfield.

They will be desperate for pick one. The question is would they actually take duursma or would sharp interest them. I suspect they'd want to try and get both. Trading pick 1 for 5 6 won't happen. Theyll want to keep 5 and give up 6 8 to have a chance at sharp, especially if we have traded out pick 2. Losing Merrett will shape our strategy.

Greeves would also suit the Drug Rats and he is having a strong end to the year.

In your scenario, who would be trading up for pick 2? Pretty odd to think we trade both 1 and 2!

You believe the Drug Rats will be desperate for pick 1. Desperate clubs do not get fair trades. It might be 1 and Hawks R1 for 5 and 6 but I suspect 5 and 6 are in play.

 

[Donkers]

Dunno where Robey will land, but whats he like as a midfielder? Any comparisons to current players?

Is he in the same tier as Sharp/Cumming/Greeves types as a mid? If no then how does he compare?

Vic metro so kinda yuck, but if we are in fact keen on CDT who is metro I dont see why we would be scared by that

If we split pick 1 + hawks 1st for 5+6 and walked away with Robey + some combo of Sharp/CDT/Cumming/Schubert would that be an awful outcome?

He is physically dominant and immensely strong. He also finds the ball well and has good speed. He has very average decision making and poor skills. He is coming from further back in this regard and has developed quickly.

Decision making even in the modern era is king in footy. You can't be a super poor athlete but average athletes with a really high footy IQ will win out over dominant athletes almost all the time.

Decision making improves the longer in the system and the more development you get. The biggest issue for Robey is his skills.

 

[eaglevision]

If the bombers are losing Merrett, hate tsatas, delisting sheil, trading Hobbs? who are there mids moving forward.

Durham
Martin
Caldwall
Parish
Setterfield.

They will be desperate for pick one. The question is would they actually take duursma or would sharp interest them. I suspect they'd want to try and get both. Trading pick 1 for 5 6 won't happen. Theyll want to keep 5 and give up 6 8 to have a chance at sharp, especially if we have traded out pick 2. Losing Merrett will shape our strategy.

If Merrett leaves and they have 5, 6, 9 and their three picks in the early 20s I reckon we can extract maximum value out of them.

If we know Richmond leave Sharp or Cumming on the board then 1 for 5 and F1 may see them bite but either way they will make a play for pick 1.

 

[Obeanie1]

If the bombers are losing Merrett, hate tsatas, delisting sheil, trading Hobbs? who are there mids moving forward.

Durham
Martin
Caldwall
Parish
Setterfield.

They will be desperate for pick one. The question is would they actually take duursma or would sharp interest them. I suspect they'd want to try and get both. Trading pick 1 for 5 6 won't happen. Theyll want to keep 5 and give up 6 8 to have a chance at sharp, especially if we have traded out pick 2. Losing Merrett will shape our strategy.

Agreed Dons will look hard at pick 1.

But for pick 1 their lowest 1st pick 5 must be involved, no debates.

Previously pick 2 has landed 9 and 12 as a guide.

So pick 1 for 5 and 14ish doesn't really do it for me. So something else would likely be needed to land 5 plus another top 10 pick.

 

[TOA.]

He is physically dominant and immensely strong. He also finds the ball well and has good speed. He has very average decision making and poor skills. He is coming from further back in this regard and has developed quickly.

Decision making even in the modern era is king in footy. You can't be a super poor athlete but average athletes with a really high footy IQ will win out over dominant athletes almost all the time.

Decision making improves the longer in the system and the more development you get. The biggest issue for Robey is his skills.

Sounds a lot like Clayton Oliver - who was also a draft bolter in his year incidentally

 

[wceeaglesfan]

If we had these picks I'd probably prefer
4. Sharp/Greeves (inside)
5. Cumming (inside-outside)
6. Grlj (outside)
13. Dovaston/Hibbins-Hargreaves (small forward)
16. Barker (wing)

Also Robey will fall somewhere in this range which will be worth considering.

Don’t have barker available at 16, that pick will probably be in the mid 20s. Also don’t like sharp and greeves is good but is defensive pressure is concerning

 

[Jootube]

If Merrett leaves and they have 5, 6, 9 and their three picks in the early 20s I reckon we can extract maximum value out of them.

If we know Richmond leave Sharp or Cumming on the board then 1 for 5 and F1 may see them bite but either way they will make a play for pick 1.

Agree with this.
Unfortunately picks 4 & 5 become picks 8 & 9 after Allen compo and 3 x academy bids.
Hawks pick 8 likely becomes pick 11 (3 academy bids + Carlton F/S - Suns 1st being used to bid).

I honestly don't think picks 8 & 9 is enough in exchange for pick 1 - I'd want a pick upgrade or a 2nd on top.

Is that being unreasonable in a sellers market?

 

[WCE777]

Agreed Dons will look hard at pick 1.

But for pick 1 their lowest 1st pick 5 must be involved, no debates.

Previously pick 2 has landed 9 and 12 as a guide.

So pick 1 for 5 and 14ish doesn't really do it for me. So something else would likely be needed to land 5 plus another top 10 pick.

totally agree, the open draft pool targets we want for giving up pick 1 for ESS to take Duursma is Sharp at 2, Cumming at 5 as a starting point and players we are into must get past RICH at 3-4.

 

[TOA.]

The club is in an interesting position as it has copped lots of flack for trading out of our top picks, so there is a chance we could be gun shy doing it again. Ironically this is a year most supporters would be okay with it.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Assuming we have additional list spots and we're trading picks 1 & 2 to the bombers, I am expecting a return of four picks in the top 10 e.g 5, 6 & 9 + F1 - swap of later picks to smooth it over and get it done.

Hawks' picks can be bundled to get the Ports Pick at 7.

5 - Sharp
6 - Cumming
7 - Schurbert
9 - Barker, Hibbins-Hargreaves, Robey, Greeves, Grij (take your pick)

How realistic it is, I don't know, but I am hoping Essendon is in love with Duursma + CDT.

 

[eaglevision]

Agreed Dons will look hard at pick 1.

But for pick 1 their lowest 1st pick 5 must be involved, no debates.

Previously pick 2 has landed 9 and 12 as a guide.

So pick 1 for 5 and 14ish doesn't really do it for me. So something else would likely be needed to land 5 plus another top 10 pick.

Agree with this.
Unfortunately picks 4 & 5 become picks 8 & 9 after Allen compo and 3 x academy bids.
Hawks pick 8 likely becomes pick 11 (3 academy bids + Carlton F/S - Suns 1st being used to bid).

I honestly don't think picks 8 & 9 is enough in exchange for pick 1 - I'd want a pick upgrade or a 2nd on top.

Is that being unreasonable in a sellers market?

With Duursma so highly rated (not Harley high but a stand out from the next level in the eyes of recruiters) and particularly by Essendon, we very much shouldn’t be accepting a “fair” deal.

People are getting a little hung up on the pick numbers this close to the draft, look at the players. If we trade pick 1 to Essendon and they take Duursma we get our preferred midfielder at 2 plus two of: Sharp, Cumming, CDT, Lindsay, Grlj, Schubert, Greeves.

Whether it’s worth giving up Duursma and change for two of that group is really going to depend on who Richmond take.

Assuming we take Sharp at #2 if I had to guess I think they will take CDT and a fast midfielder which would be Grlj or Robey. Lindsay would also be appealing to them as they love a HBF with laser kicking.

If that is the case I’d do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Greeves would also suit the Drug Rats and he is having a strong end to the year.

In your scenario, who would be trading up for pick 2? Pretty odd to think we trade both 1 and 2!

You believe the Drug Rats will be desperate for pick 1. Desperate clubs do not get fair trades. It might be 1 and Hawks R1 for 5 and 6 but I suspect 5 and 6 are in play.

As long a we keep 2, I'm ok with that.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If Merrett leaves and they have 5, 6, 9 and their three picks in the early 20s I reckon we can extract maximum value out of them.

If we know Richmond leave Sharp or Cumming on the board then 1 for 5 and F1 may see them bite but either way they will make a play for pick 1.

They will end up with picks...
4 own 1st
5 draper compo
6 dees 1st
8 Hawks for Merrett.

So after Oscar compo that becomes 5 6 7 9

 

[Jootube]

That's a fair perspective.

Then we should simplify it and say: would you trade Duursma for two of Sharp, Cumming, CDT, Lindsay, Grlj, Schubert, Greeves.

But you should remember that Richmond will take two of those before us, so you actually get 3rd and 4th dip at that group - and Sharp will be taken at 2.

So - Duursma vs two of the bottom 4 of that group.

FWIF - I'm taking Duursma.

 

[Jootube]

They will end up with picks...
4 own 1st
5 draper compo
6 dees 1st
8 Hawks for Merrett.

So after Oscar compo that becomes 5 6 7 9

Draper compo is not certain to be 1st round - very possible to be end of 1st compensation.

 

[EagleMan87]

If Merrett leaves and they have 5, 6, 9 and their three picks in the early 20s I reckon we can extract maximum value out of them.

If we know Richmond leave Sharp or Cumming on the board then 1 for 5 and F1 may see them bite but either way they will make a play for pick 1.

Zero chance that happens unless we're sending something else back.

 

[noobermensch]

Another impactful game from Sullivan Robey, keeping up his incredible late push up to the pointy end of the draft. We saw the same pattern as last week, with Robey mostly playing forward in the first half, and then trading roles with Ollie Greeves in the second to play mostly through the midfield. The same traits were evident, with Robey's size and athleticism making his attack on contests difficult to handle, and his outside run leading to a number of damaging forward 50 entries for his team.

 

[eaglevision]

They will end up with picks...
4 own 1st
5 draper compo
6 dees 1st
8 Hawks for Merrett.

So after Oscar compo that becomes 5 6 7 9

There will be a couple picks before the Hawks selection so that goes to 10. Port (hopefully ours via GCS) and Saints.