List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[AsterixTheGaul]

If there are no players involved. It’s difficult to go from 18 to top 6 without giving up good players.

And practically, clubs (apart from us) generally do not like to trade down. Barely happens let alone trade down that far.

So Annables is going top 5. Lions need to do something to get the pick. You do realise they have a full trade period to get ready? It is not that difficult really.

A talent like Ashcroft, Daicos, Darcy etc is in the draft, I would happily bid hoping the club can’t match. The current rules are wrong.

 

[maverick001]

There is some truth in that but it's also a reflection of how the States are administered and managed.

Having Coached in the Colts WA and the TAC Cup VIC ( cant comment on SA ), the top tier talent in the teams is not that dissimilar however the depth in very noticeable in VIC as their bottom 8 players in the VIC teams, are much higher quality than in the WA Colts.

That all comes down to the size of the Club Zones in the respective States.

The Coats Talent League has 13 teams, one of which is from Tasmania, so excluding that it's 12 teams Victorian teams.

Five of which are from the Country: Bendigo Pioneers, Geelong Falcons. Gippsland Power, GWV Rebels, Murray Bushrangers.

Seven Metro Teams: Calder Cannons, Dandenong Stingrays, Eastern Rangers, Norther Knights, Oakleigh Chargers, Western Jets, Sandringham Dragons.

* Side Note to even things up at the Championships - these Melbourne teams player play with Vic Country: Western Jets and the Dandenong Stingrays.



The WAFL has nine Clubs: Claremont, East Fremantle, East Perth, Perth, Peel, South Fremantle, Subiaco, Swan Districts, West Perth.

WA's population 3.0 million v Victorias population 7.0 million.

So Perth has a population of 2.17 million and feeds 9 metro teams
Melbourne has a population of 5.39 million and feeds 7 metro teams.

So the Victorian Metro teams are pulling from a much greater talent pool and thats why their competition is a of a higher standard, its the depth that they have access.

What is also interesting is that the Vics are producing far more star players per capita than WA
I just had a look at possible State of Origin line ups. There's genuinely 15-20 gun mids to choose from for Vic. For WA it's Warner, Cripps, then ummm errrr..................Yeo?

 

[twadds]

Picks 1 and 2 for picks 5 6 9 and F1 works for me. As you say, I would throw in something else if need be. I would hope it is just the 2 Hawks picks which will actually come in hard once Uwland, Annable, Patterson and Dean bids are matched. But also happy to make it a swap of R2 picks. Exacts are noise at this stage

I would want to know what happens with the draft integrity and changes for 2026

Here is the point with selling picks 1 and 2. Dons get to say that they got the best kid in the land with Duursma and they get to boast that they have the perfect pairing for their golden haired boy Caddy. In other words, they get to sell hope to their members. In this scenario, I can smell the fear at the Tullamarine Hangar.

Draft order likely to be:
1. Duursma - Dons
2. CDT - Dons
3. Lindsay - Tigers
4. Robey - Tigers
5. Sharp - Eagles
6. Cumming - Eagles
7. Schubert - Eagles (Suns pick from Port for end R1 assistance + Hawks R1, R2 and R3)
8. Grlj or Marsh - Saints
9. Farrow - Eagles

It gives us a true inside mid, a balanced mid, a KPP that could start at CHB and then move forward when Waterman leaves and then a quarterback elite HBF. IF we came away with Sharp, Cumming, Schubert and Farrow, that would be some draft then we add in Banfield and the NGA crew

Like it but not sure Sharp lasts to 5.

 

[BSD]

I definitely think WAFL is a much poorer grade than VFL colts footy.

Take Banna's recent monster game for example. You read he had 30+ and a couple of snags and think it's going to make for elite viewing..

And then you watch his "highlights" and they're for the most part quite average. His opposition is just shocking at times. Lots of turnovers and messy ball from Banna's himself he gets away with, not too many slick skills or disposals. His tackles were just falling on top of a stationary idiot in the ground more often than not.

On the plus side, some elite ball winning, and his overhead marking and jump at the footy is Fyfe like Those to me are his quality traits, the rest of his game not so much IMO.

Maybe his "highlights" were the reason why he wasn't invited to the National Combine.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Maybe his "highlights" were the reason why he wasn't invited to the National Combine.

Meh, good thing for us. Means he'll more than likely be a rookie if anything.

Fair too.

 

[ronpingwins]

Constable at 13 if we can’t get Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

 

[suntagonal]

Like it but not sure Sharp lasts to 5.

I wonder if Richmond would interested in moving up a single spot for CDT. Probably just a R2 upgrade.

 

[WCE_Phill]

my dream draft night
1 - willem duursma (eagles view him as the transition mid of the future)
2 traded to gc for 7 and 13
7 - cummings (viewed as the modern day midfielder, can do it all)
13 - farrow ( Has amazing ball use from the backline which eagles desperately need)
15 dovaston (eagles actually get a good small forward that can hit the scoreboard)
19 Matt Leray (winger, position of need after the departure of chesser)

That looks like a successful draft, however I can't see us trading 2 for the 2 Gold Coast picks.

If GC were allowed to nab CTD before their 2 Academy kids. The Vic's would kick off, don't think the AFL would want that to happen.

If anything we would trade up, using Hawks 1st and our 2nd.

I can still see Essendon and Carlton coming for pick 2. I'd be open to splitting.

Essendon going to have a shit load of picks

From my research, a haul of Duursma, Sharp, Cumming, Farrow, Dovaston would be mint

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

7 - cummings (viewed as the modern day midfielder, can do it all)

Why would a modern midfielder who can do it all slip to 7th in a shallow draft?

 

[eaglevision]

Why would a modern midfielder who can do it all slip to 7th in a shallow draft?

He injured his shoulder after a stand out SANFL game, head he been able to finish the season he’d be being spoken about with Duursma and Sharp. Dream draft if we get Port pick and he’s available.

 

[WCE_Phill]

He injured his shoulder after a stand out SANFL game, head he been able to finish the season he’d be being spoken about with Duursma and Sharp. Dream draft if we get Port pick and he’s available.

Given he's missed games and will miss the combine, def will slide. If picks stay the same, I see Richmond and Essendon taking a combo of CTD, Robey, Greeves, Grlj and Schubert

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Are they? With the amount of picks Essendon are likely to have this year I think they’d prefer our F2.

Duursma and F2 for Cumming and Schubert? Absolutely I would without a moment’s hesitation, I’d do the same with 1 + 19 as well. I don’t have Duursma that far ahead of Cumming at all.

I would have done the same last year, but not in 2023 and wouldn’t next year if the 1R is uncompromised.

We need to create a thread with a reminder bell for 5 years time on the Cumming calls by you. You're either going to be a Nostradamus level prophet, or in hindsight look like the homeless drunk rambling in the park.



/please don't do it for any of my calls over the last 15 years...

 

[eaglevision]

Given he's missed games and will miss the combine, def will slide. If picks stay the same, I see Richmond and Essendon taking a combo of CTD, Robey, Greeves, Grlj and Schubert

I’m not sure he’s been ruled out of the combine but given the time frames I suspect he won’t test, which is a good thing for us as he would have tested well. Not Harley Barker well but likely to have made a handful of top 10s.

We need to create a thread with a reminder bell for 5 years time on the Cumming calls by you. You're either going to be a Nostradamus level prophet, or in hindsight look like the homeless drunk rambling in the park.

/please don't do it for any of my calls over the last 15 years...

There’s a few keen draft watchers here that rate him, you could see it last year and his limited performances at senior level this year have only enhanced that. Some comments from posters that would know that he’s ranked as the best local prospect ahead of Sharp by many SA recruiters.

Balanced game, positional versatility, good disposal, incredibly strong overhead, hits the scoreboard, athletic, competitive great attitude and straight under Massey’s nose. What’s not to like? His upside is comparable to Duursma’s.

Sharp, Cumming and Hewett rotating through the midfield and HFF would be glorious.

 

[BSD]

my dream draft night
1 - willem duursma (eagles view him as the transition mid of the future)
2 traded to gc for 7 and 13
7 - cummings (viewed as the modern day midfielder, can do it all)
13 - farrow ( Has amazing ball use from the backline which eagles desperately need)
15 dovaston (eagles actually get a good small forward that can hit the scoreboard)
19 Matt Leray (winger, position of need after the departure of chesser)

Why Dovaston and not Fred ?

 

[bzparkes]

Why Dovaston and not Fred ?

Because Fred isn't a small forward. That's also way too early for him.

Dovaston's also kicked more goals than Watson did in his draft year.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

He injured his shoulder after a stand out SANFL game, head he been able to finish the season he’d be being spoken about with Duursma and Sharp. Dream draft if we get Port pick and he’s available.

Or recruiters have the same take as you on exactly this, and just take him early, knowing Chris Judd had 2 shit shoulders

Tigers might but I recon they're more interest in CDT Lindsay or trading out.
But
The bombers will take him with one of there 3 picks. Guarantee it

 

[BSD]

Meh, good thing for us. Means he'll more than likely be a rookie if anything.

Fair too.

Does anyone have access to the voting for the Jack Clarke medal. It would be interesting to see how some of the W.A. draft prospects went. I do realize the Private School attendees don't necessarily play in every WAFL colts game.

 

[txbyhull]

Why Dovaston and not Fred ?

Presumably because Fred won’t be off the board until the late second round at least, Dovaston is the best small in the class, and Fred is another midfielder

 

[bzparkes]

Or recruiters have the same take as you on exactly this, and just take him early, knowing Chris Judd had 2 shit shoulders

Tigers might but I recon they're more interest in CDT Lindsay or trading out.
But
The bombers will take him with one of there 3 picks. Guarantee it

Can't see Richmond going CDT, to be honest.

They just picked 4 talls last year, including Sims who plays the same position.

The badly need more mids.

 

[Mr Q]

The father-son and nga problems and the draft compromise would go away in a simple change.

Any club tied prospects can only be matched if
1. The matching club holds a pick within 3 places of the bid is in the top 5
2. The matching club holds a pick within 5 places of the bid is in the top 6 to 10
3. The matching club holds a pick within 10 places of the bid is in the top rest of the first round
4. Enough points to match a bid with no discount for remaining bids

If it is this year, Lions have to manufacture a top 4 pick or near that for Annables. Suns would likely need a top 4 pick for Uwland plus a top 10 pick for Patterson. Hence it is fate to say that they have first dibs at them. Otherwise, the bidding club gets their man.

Who says no? The length of the first round would be 18 to 20 picks (excluding FA).

Free Agency compensation should only start after the first round.

The simpler solution is that you must have a pick at or better than your next natural pick after the bid comes in to use as part of the points required.

So for GC to pick up both Uwland and Patterson, they'd need to have two picks before pick 13 (or wherever they've finally landed). I would let these picks move back though if an earlier bid comes in or a FA compensation.

So you have an idea where the player is rated, you need to trade IN picks to get them, not OUT.

 

[CountryLad]

Because Fred isn't a small forward. That's also way too early for him.

Dovaston's also kicked more goals than Watson did in his draft year.

A bit more perspective on that last statement. Watson kicked 14 goals in 4 state games in his draft year playing as a small fwd which is elite.

Watson played in a number of different roles for the Ranges where he averaged 20 disposals a game, often playing behind the ball. You also need to take into account the fact school footy affects the amount of games played and goals scored when comparing players.

 

[bzparkes]

A bit more perspective on that last statement. Watson kicked 14 goals in 4 state games in his draft year playing as a small fwd which is elite.

Watson played in a number of different roles for the Ranges where he averaged 20 disposals a game, quite often playing behind the ball. You also need to take into account the fact school footy affects the amount of games played and goals scored when comparing players.

Oh for sure, I think Watson's the superior player but it also highlights that Dovaston's very good around goals.

 

[Aarick13]

The simpler solution is that you must have a pick at or better than your next natural pick after the bid comes in to use as part of the points required.

So for GC to pick up both Uwland and Patterson, they'd need to have two picks before pick 13 (or wherever they've finally landed). I would let these picks move back though if an earlier bid comes in or a FA compensation.

So you have an idea where the player is rated, you need to trade IN picks to get them, not OUT.

Get rid of the discount and teams can only use a maximum of 2 picks to match points.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Can't see Richmond going CDT, to be honest.

They just picked 4 talls last year, including Sims who plays the same position.

The badly need more mids.

So they take cumming with one of the 2 picks they have. Lindsay the other. Point is, we take cumming with one of our 2 first picks or he won't last even if we have the port pick. Tigers and bombers will take him

 

[bzparkes]

So they take cumming with one of the 2 picks they have. Lindsay the other. Point is, we take cumming with one of our 2 first picks or he won't last even if we have the port pick. Tigers and bombers will take him

Just depends how highly we value Sharp. SA recruiters seem to think Cumming is the better of the 2 though.