Review Preliminary Final, 2025 - Collingwood vs. Brisbane Lions

[Darren Downunder]

So Ah Chee running around the back should not have caused a second fifty
Members was already moving forward to his new mark
Levi was close to a Collingwood player (Daicos) so had every right to be in the protected area
And where was the mark?
Surely a Brisbane player had a right to stand on the mark after the 50.
A 50/50 free kick
A soft 50 metre penalty
And a disgraceful second 50 gifted the pies a goal
And the VFL media?
Silence!

 

[MacMum]

So much love to all of you too, thanks


..this morning was walking past one of those cheap shops that sells everything, saw hanging at the top of the entrance were bottle top shaped, dinner plate size AFL team logo's..

..there is now a Lions one hanging at my front door. Just perfect for the spot and not ott.

Big hugs from us all Macmum
I was a bit worried after the second quarter, never in doubt hey

 

[HereIGoAgain]

I was happy for the club to play Sam Day. He did a pretty good job early in the year.
Then he dropped off some and went back and forth from both AFL & VFL.
Sam has played 13 AFL & 4 VFL games this year and has helped the team out. This is why we got him in as a stop gap

Meanwhile this allowed first year player Gallop more time to develop his craft in the VFL
Gallop has played 16 VFL games, kicked 26.14 which gives him some confidence in his goalkicking which our team desperately needs
He was also used in the Ruck which helped his fitness and gained extra skills in that area.

Gallop got his first AFL game in R13 and there were not many posters singing his praises from that game.
It was a learning curve, and he had a taste of what's needed at AFL level. Back to the VFL and try harder.
He returned in R24 and did not get much of the ball but on that occasion, he showed his desire for putting pressure on opponents even though he only had 5 disposals, 1 less than his previous game.
He was subbed off in those two games but showed good promise.

Next was the Cats game, his first final which he showed more improvement even though we got thumped
He had not kicked a goal in those three games but just looked more confident.

In his last two games he showed us what he is capable of. Hopefully he has one more good game in him this year.

I think this all just proves Gallop needed time to develop and the coaches selecting Day was the correct choice.

On Oscar.
Well Day was trying his best but starting to struggle and Oscar had a bad back issue, and the club obviously was not prepared to throw Gallop to the wolves in a F/R role. Thank heavens for that.
Oscar went back to the VFL for less pressure and get some easier disposals. More treatment of his back during the week

Oscar has now played the last 2 finals games. Has not set the world on fire but helping a little in the ruck and playing time forward to help out the 2 young guys height wise.
Thats his plus, however the Pies defense easily ran away from him when the ball hit the ground
He also does not have any leading pattern required for a tall forward, so our guys just have to plonk it on his head.
He is not a KPF. This is not Oscar's fault, and he is now playing a team role, and he will do his best.
Thats all Fagan requires of his players.

Gallop wasn't picked necessarily to kick goals, the same as Day. What Gallop provided and this was evident in the reserves and in that Round 13 game, was his ability to tackle, pressure and get mobile in the forward fifty, everything Day wasn't doing.

As Elixuh mentioned thanks for your service Day but Gallop was inevitable and quite a few posters here noticed that. I'd argue his development was delayed through having to ruck in the VFL as Ryan played the key tall.

Another beneficiary of Gallop's presence is Morris. It is a relief to not see three talls hanging off him in every marking contest because of the threat of Oscar and Gallop. This was a huge problem with playing Day as an immobile centre half forward.

 

[M Malice]

What a night, we were in the front row 2nd level right above the Collingwood cheer squad, atmosphere was amazing.

At half time I was thinking we could of just gone gee this is too hard with all the injuries, the hardest draw of all time and the travel... was thinking if the Pies get an early goal or 2 it could get ugly. How wrong was I, we absolutely dominated, the 2nd half was 11-4-70 to 4-4-28.

Fab5- Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

29

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

, Hugh McCluggage

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Hugh Mccluggage

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Will Ashcroft, Darcy Wilmot, Ty Gallop.

Also thought Darcy Gardiner

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Darcy Gardiner

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.1

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

was very good, Logan Morris is such a sublime kick in general play, Ty was Plugger like, I was in awe of that performance from a 19 year old KPF in a huge Prelim, the other 17 clubs will regret passing on Logan and Ty as their careers unfold.
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On a completely different subject > f..k Qantas, we had booked to fly down and back on game day, got down ok and were on our way to the city in an Uber and we got an email from Qantas > your 9.20pm flight to Brisbane has been cancelled we can offer you a flight at 7.15pm that evening, what f ing imbeciles. Could not get a flight home so ended up having to stay the night and pay a lot more for the return flight(and accommodation$) this morning.

 

[MSB ROYS]

You should be able to get some kind of refund?

 

[Section 5]

I think the AFL should clarify these sorts of interpretations, you are permitted to make incidental high contact in spoiling, so long as your sole purpose is the football a good example of this is Gardiner on Mckay 23 prelim

Front on contact is different though, how much contact are you allowed to make? is it none? is it a little bit?

No you are not. High contact is high contact

(d) makes contact to an opposition Player from front-on and whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a Mark;
In other words if your sole objective is to contest or spoil (legally) So no chopping of arms, high contact, in the back and all the other well known no nos
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18.5 MARKING CONTESTS 18.5.1 Spirit and Intention
The Player whose sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark shall be permitted to do so.

18.5.2 Free Kicks - Marking Contests A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick in a Marking contest against a Player where the Player:

(a) holds or blocks an opposition Player;
(b) unduly pushes or bumps an opposition Player;
(c) deliberately interferes with the arms of an opposition Player;
(d) makes contact to an opposition Player from front-on and whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a Mark; or
(e) makes an unrealistic attempt to contest or spoil a Mark which interferes with an opposition Player.

18.5.3 Permitted Contact Incidental contact in a Marking contest will be permitted if the Player’s sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark

 

[M Malice]

You should be able to get some kind of refund?

Yes our Head of Logistics (my Son) is onto that, we'll wait and see what happens, I suppose Qantas could say we offered you another flight and you knocked it back... yes imbeciles leaving at 3/4 time of the event we came down for.

 

[Lions2Good]

We’re still here. He has made a valuable contribution to the club this year and we thank him for his service.

Agreed and let’s not forget that personally this was a really tough year for Sammy Day.

Lost his dad and a couple of months later, loses his grandfather.

He may not have been the best but he gave it his all, did his job by providing vital support in the beginning. I truly wish him all the best going forward. Always a lion.

 

[Section 5]

Gallop wasn't picked necessarily to kick goals, the same as Day. What Gallop provided and this was evident in the reserves and in that Round 13 game, was his ability to tackle, pressure and get mobile in the forward fifty, everything Day wasn't doing.

As Elixuh mentioned thanks for your service Day but Gallop was inevitable and quite a few posters here noticed that. I'd argue his development was delayed through having to ruck in the VFL as Ryan played the key tall.

Another beneficiary of Gallop's presence is Morris. It is a relief to not see three talls hanging off him in every marking contest because of the threat of Oscar and Gallop. This was a huge problem with playing Day as an immobile centre half forward.

As i clearly pointed out the coaches thought otherwise.
Do you really think debuting Gallop in R1, 3, 6, 10 would have helped him.
R13 we were in trouble for KPF, so he got a shot and was not really up to it then.
He clearly needed most of the year to reach his semifinal form. Then he produced a better effort the next game.

I just hope he plays a solid game in the GF as he is now on the Cats radar.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

As i clearly pointed out the coaches thought otherwise.
Do you really think debuting Gallop in R1, 3, 6, 10 would have helped him.
R13 we were in trouble for KPF, so he got a shot and was not really up to it then.
He clearly needed most of the year to reach his semifinal form. Then he produced a better effort the next game.

I just hope he plays a solid game in the GF as he is now on the Cats radar.

No need to hope. We are watching a Morris-like rise of a young forward star of the very near future. His skills may have only come to the fore in the last couple of games but the effort, hard work and will has been there since he first pulled on a Lions jumper.

Still a bit stunned that we got Morris and Gallop in the last two years.

 

[braddsey]

what happened to all the sam day lovers? gallop unbelievable, Marshall, gallop and Levi all real good

This is so unnecessary. Day was brought in to do a job, and for mine he largely did it. He enabled Gallop to develop a bit in the reserves before getting his chance. He provided that backup ruck we needed when Oscar was suffering.

Bask in the glory the fact we’re here. No need to dump on those that helped along the way.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Squads win premierships.

 

[braddsey]

Front on contact is different though, how much contact are you allowed to make? is it none? is it a little bit?

there is no front on contact rule in a marking contest. There is a rule when the player has their head over the ball. There is a rule about prohibited contact or blocking or unduly rough contact.

It’s a 360degree game. Purely making contact with another player from front on if it is not dangerous and the players intention is the ball is not prohibited.

 

[braddsey]

I thought the umpire got it right with the two head high tackles.
Levi raised his arm to draw the free kick
And Shultz did go low but our tackling needed to be better.
But the 100 metre penalty!
I just have no idea how that happened.
Does anybody know?

Watching the replay now, but from my recollection the first 50 was Motty kicking the ball after the free was given, the second was Cal running around the back of the ball carrier, probably classed as entering the protected zone.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Did Charlie really say "This is so much fun" before kicking his goal? And did he mean it or was it himself trying to not be too nervous having a shot on goal?

 

[mighty_lions]

This is so unnecessary. Day was brought in to do a job, and for mine he largely did it. He enabled Gallop to develop a bit in the reserves before getting his chance. He provided that backup ruck we needed when Oscar was suffering.

Bask in the glory the fact we’re here. No need to dump on those that helped along the way.

I was dumping on the posters who seem too think Oscar was unworthy and still do

 

[Full Wingspan]

Starts at 5:50

What a f***ing peanut.

I'm sorry to go all legalese, however this is my analysis of the relevant rule as posted on the main board thread:

I know the rule has already been analysed in great detail in this thread and anyone with decent comprehension skills and who actually watched the footage appreciates that Starcevich clearly did not infringe Elliott. Additionally, I also want to highlight that sub-rule 18.5.2(d) provides:

A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick in a Marking contest against a Player where the Player ... (d) makes contact to an opposition Player from front-on and whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a Mark;​

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To offend this sub-rule, a player needs to not only make front-on contact but also have the sole objective to not contest or spoil a Mark. This is quite a high threshold and even contemplates that a defender may have another objective i.e. to push or bump the attacking player (legally).

As we know, the indicators that the umpires look for when determining what a defender's "sole objective is" are typically (1) the defender's eyes not being on the ball and (2) the defender not actually contesting or spoiling.

I can't see any reasonable argument to suggest Starcevich's sole objective was to not contest or spoil Elliott's attempt to mark in circumstances where he actually did spoil the ball, kept his eyes on the ball at all times and did not otherwise infringe on Elliott. In this regard, there was no 'arm chop' as Starcevich's arms were vertical and upwards rather than swinging down (i.e. chopping) on Elliott's arms.

TL;DR: Starcevich did not illegally infringe on Elliott. This is because the AFL rules do not disallow front-on contact to be made in a marking contest provided it is not your sole objective to not contest or spoil the ball.

I really wish commentators and journalists would better acquaint themselves with the rules. Their misplaced outrage flows into many fans which creates controversy when there isn't any. Perhaps this is Ralphy's objective all along.

I feel former umpires like Razor Ray who dissect controversial decisions on the media should be given an even larger platform to take the time to explain these things to the fans and media alike.

Thank God Browny was there to fly the flag.

 

[Cousin Jed]

The same commentators saying that should be a free would normally be saying the umpires should put the whistle away and let the players decide

 

[Nathan Barley]

I was dumping on the posters who seem too think Oscar was unworthy and still do

As if Oscar hasn't been one of our worst since hes returned

Great story of course but let's not pretend hes contributing much

 

[mattsmob]

What a f***ing peanut.

I'm sorry to go all legalese, however this is my analysis of the relevant rule as posted on the main board thread:



I really wish commentators and journalists would better acquaint themselves with the rules. Their misplaced outrage flows into many fans which creates controversy when there isn't any. Perhaps this is Ralphy's objective all along.

I feel former umpires like Razor Ray who dissect controversial decisions on the media should be given an even larger platform to take the time to explain these things to the fans and media alike.

Thank God Browny was there to fly the flag.

Saying Starce has to turn and have his body going in the other direction is what frustrates me, just completely making stuff up as he goes

 

[Saucery]

BT to Fages "I know you haven't seen their (Geelong's) last game.

Fages "I was here last night watching them".

BT really is the 'incredible sulk'.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Did Charlie really say "This is so much fun" before kicking his goal? And did he mean it or was it himself trying to not be too nervous having a shot on goal?

" I got this "

?

 

[beatnik]

Just watched the post-game pressers, McRae is super classy. Its a weird world when you can't dislike the Collingwood coach.

At best, he’s passive aggressive…why raise the free kick then pretend you don’t want to discuss it? Fake nice guy. Car salesman. Sly.

 

[Saucery]

As if Oscar hasn't been one of our worst since hes returned

Great story of course but let's not pretend hes contributing much

There is more to team sports than skills, most of those guys out there will die for him. He's a talisman, in battle the flag kills none but inspires all.

 

[M Malice]

Watching the replay now, but from my recollection the first 50 was Motty kicking the ball after the free was given, the second was Cal running around the back of the ball carrier, probably classed as entering the protected zone.

If you couldn't make front on contact at all Jono Brown's back with the flight GOAT mark would have been a free against for front on contact.