2025 Draft Thread

[akaifu]

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Unrestricted yes - no trade
Restricted - if they match - yes a trade
If I were Port, I’d match - instead of getting 1 first rounder (compo), force the trade to get more..then it’s about negotiation of what is fair.

Unrestricted means that there is no right to match.
If Butters was unrestricted, and he accepted an offer to move clubs, there is nothing Port can do about it.

Restricted , they have the right to match, which means they retain him.
At that point they can negotiate a trade. ( like any other player on their list , contracted or not ). The club making the original offer is under no obligation to trade.
So if a club matches, they need to be prepared to keep the player if trade negotiations fall through.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

With restricted free agency. If port match but Butters doesn’t want to stay, assume he could go into the draft with the same price on his head?

And if that happened, it would be a fail to Port, because they'd lose their compensation pick.

 

[Train12]

Unrestricted means that there is no right to match.
If Butters was unrestricted, and he accepted an offer to move clubs, there is nothing Port can do about it.

Restricted , they have the right to match, which means they retain him.
At that point they can negotiate a trade. ( like any other player on their list , contracted or not ). The club making the original offer is under no obligation to trade.
So if a club matches, they need to be prepared to keep the player if trade negotiations fall through.

I understand all the above.

What was your original point though ?

Do you think Port will roll over and not match a Butters offer?

They will do what’s best for Port. A compo of 1 draft pick isn’t enough.

If the port matches and the club that made an offer backs out, I’m sure rest of vic clubs will line up.

If they didn’t match an offer and accepted 1 FR compo and didn’t capitalise on trading him this trade period just gone, sack the whole list management!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I understand all the above.

What was your original point though ?

Do you think Port will roll over and not match a Butters offer?

They will do what’s best for Port. A compo of 1 draft pick isn’t enough.

If the port matches and the club that made an offer backs out, I’m sure rest of vic clubs will line up.

If they didn’t match an offer and accepted 1 FR compo and didn’t capitalise on trading him this trade period just gone, sack the whole list management!

All i said was that the trade is not forced. The team making the offer in the first place is under no obligation to trade.

 

[BrutThough]

WILL THE SAINTS SECURE NGA PROSPECT? ​

St Kilda will not overstretch to match a bid on Next Generation Academy midfielder Kye Fincher if it risks impacting the club’s first-round pick in 2026.

The Saints’ first selection this year currently sits at pick 50, but that will come in a few spots after other bids are matched by northern academy clubs.

Some rival clubs believe Sandringham Dragons product Fincher could attract a bid in the 20s, but others believe one won’t come until the mid-30s or later.

St Kilda is a good chance to match a bid from around pick 35 onwards but is likely to let Fincher go elsewhere if a bid comes in the 20s.

The Saints don’t hold a second-round pick next year, so carrying a points deficit into next year could impact their first-round pick in what is viewed by scouts as a stronger draft.

Fincher was a consistent performer this season, impressing across halfback for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and as a midfielder-forward for Sandringham.

He also starred playing onball in a late-season VFL debut for the Sandringham Zebras, gathering 26 disposals, four clearances and six tackles.

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[Joffaboy]

Saints say any club want to FA, then FO is on the way

 

[SaintsSeptember]

WILL THE SAINTS SECURE NGA PROSPECT? ​

St Kilda will not overstretch to match a bid on Next Generation Academy midfielder Kye Fincher if it risks impacting the club’s first-round pick in 2026.

The Saints’ first selection this year currently sits at pick 50, but that will come in a few spots after other bids are matched by northern academy clubs.

Some rival clubs believe Sandringham Dragons product Fincher could attract a bid in the 20s, but others believe one won’t come until the mid-30s or later.

St Kilda is a good chance to match a bid from around pick 35 onwards but is likely to let Fincher go elsewhere if a bid comes in the 20s.

The Saints don’t hold a second-round pick next year, so carrying a points deficit into next year could impact their first-round pick in what is viewed by scouts as a stronger draft.

Fincher was a consistent performer this season, impressing across halfback for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and as a midfielder-forward for Sandringham.

He also starred playing onball in a late-season VFL debut for the Sandringham Zebras, gathering 26 disposals, four clearances and six tackles.

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Well that should warn the other clubs about playing silly buggers.

 

[Diehard Saint]

From what I’ve heard, we backed out because we might be on the hook for one next seasons OOO big fish.

Pretty sure someone - Ross, AB or Dilena - said we’re going to be as aggressive again next year.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Rounding up these deals, Curnow and Petracca were traded for three first rounders. Hawthorn offered three for Merrett.

And these players with major injury ??? marks and closer to the end than the beginning.

 

[akaifu]

Pretty sure someone - Ross, AB or Dilena - said we’re going to be as aggressive again next year.

Gubby said we'll go fishing again and have the cash to splash

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And these players with major injury ??? marks and closer to the end than the beginning.

Just because others are doing it , doesn't make it a good idea. Heroin addiction in the 70s.

 

[TheJackal]

Yeah interesting.

I was listening to K.Cornes last week, and he was going on about if Butters leaves, because he is a restricted free agent, Port will match what ever others clubs offer forcing a trade.

Cornes thinks he is worth at least 3 top 10 FRs.

Be interesting to see if we do trade a future first to get into this years draft to snag mini Pou?

If that happens, Walsh potentially more likely ?

If we really aren't in the business of making friends, we should put together a short term offer that cannot be matched.

 

[snails13]

WILL THE SAINTS SECURE NGA PROSPECT? ​

St Kilda will not overstretch to match a bid on Next Generation Academy midfielder Kye Fincher if it risks impacting the club’s first-round pick in 2026.

The Saints’ first selection this year currently sits at pick 50, but that will come in a few spots after other bids are matched by northern academy clubs.

Some rival clubs believe Sandringham Dragons product Fincher could attract a bid in the 20s, but others believe one won’t come until the mid-30s or later.

St Kilda is a good chance to match a bid from around pick 35 onwards but is likely to let Fincher go elsewhere if a bid comes in the 20s.

The Saints don’t hold a second-round pick next year, so carrying a points deficit into next year could impact their first-round pick in what is viewed by scouts as a stronger draft.

Fincher was a consistent performer this season, impressing across halfback for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and as a midfielder-forward for Sandringham.

He also starred playing onball in a late-season VFL debut for the Sandringham Zebras, gathering 26 disposals, four clearances and six tackles.

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Based on this story the J.Phillipou chase would be a 2027 pick

 

[ScrappyDo]

If we really aren't in the business of making friends, we should put together a short term offer that cannot be matched.

It's reasonable to surmise that we'll have a solid dip. At that point l think it'll be more about premiership prospects

 

[Tommy Wigs]

WILL THE SAINTS SECURE NGA PROSPECT? ​

St Kilda will not overstretch to match a bid on Next Generation Academy midfielder Kye Fincher if it risks impacting the club’s first-round pick in 2026.

The Saints’ first selection this year currently sits at pick 50, but that will come in a few spots after other bids are matched by northern academy clubs.

Some rival clubs believe Sandringham Dragons product Fincher could attract a bid in the 20s, but others believe one won’t come until the mid-30s or later.

St Kilda is a good chance to match a bid from around pick 35 onwards but is likely to let Fincher go elsewhere if a bid comes in the 20s.

The Saints don’t hold a second-round pick next year, so carrying a points deficit into next year could impact their first-round pick in what is viewed by scouts as a stronger draft.

Fincher was a consistent performer this season, impressing across halfback for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and as a midfielder-forward for Sandringham.

He also starred playing onball in a late-season VFL debut for the Sandringham Zebras, gathering 26 disposals, four clearances and six tackles.

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Finally getting our own leaking out there. Power

 

[pebblesofsand]

The Age draft predictions

The draft is a day away. Here’s who your club is set to pick

Here’s our final forecast of how the first 30 picks at this week’s AFL draft will play out.

www.theage.com.au

Pick 25 - Jevan Phillipou (North)

Fincher not named in top 31

 

[akaifu]

Praying that we land this guy somehow - would be such good cover behind Max

Also a lot about Louis Emmett who came into the year as a #1 contender. Had 25 disposals against Dodson last year

"There hasn’t been too many smiles from Hetherton since then."
"The North Albury product first felt some pain in his back while playing a practice match against the Bendigo Pioneers in the pre-season, playing out the game despite being hampered."
“Then every game from then on, it built up and then just became unbearable in the last couple of games,” Hetherton said.
Those ‘last couple of games’, the 198cm spearhead slotted a bag of five goals against the Bendigo Pioneers and followed it up with three goals, 14 disposals and six marks (three contested) against Northern Territory.
It brought his tally to 11 goals in three Coates Talent League matches, all while being significantly affected.
“I’d probably say I was about 70 (per cent), and then slowly went down to about 60-50, so around there towards the end,” Hetherton said.

 

[SaintWrld]

Praying that we land this guy somehow - would be such good cover behind Max

Also a lot about Louis Emmett who came into the year as a #1 contender. Had 25 disposals against Dodson last year

"There hasn’t been too many smiles from Hetherton since then."
"The North Albury product first felt some pain in his back while playing a practice match against the Bendigo Pioneers in the pre-season, playing out the game despite being hampered."
“Then every game from then on, it built up and then just became unbearable in the last couple of games,” Hetherton said.
Those ‘last couple of games’, the 198cm spearhead slotted a bag of five goals against the Bendigo Pioneers and followed it up with three goals, 14 disposals and six marks (three contested) against Northern Territory.
It brought his tally to 11 goals in three Coates Talent League matches, all while being significantly affected.
“I’d probably say I was about 70 (per cent), and then slowly went down to about 60-50, so around there towards the end,” Hetherton said.

You don’t think Caminiti and Keeler is enough depth to sit behind King, Marshall, Sharman? Or have you put a line through Keeler? If we took another tall I would be thinking defender? A lot of people have us running 4 key defenders in their best 23’s which would only leave an extremely unproven James Barrat as depth. I think a defender is needed for depth before a forward, plus I prefer what we have on our list over this kid.
I like Blake Thredgold as a defender but think we would have to trade back in to get him.

 

[stfan]

You don’t think Caminiti and Keeler is enough depth to sit behind King, Marshall, Sharman? Or have you put a line through Keeler? If we took another tall I would be thinking defender? A lot of people have us running 4 key defenders in their best 23’s which would only leave an extremely unproven James Barrat as depth. I think a defender is needed for depth before a forward, plus I prefer what we have on our list over this kid.
I like Blake Thredgold as a defender but think we would have to trade back in to get him.

How many tall key position players we need is an interesting discussion. Most of our talls can also play different positions which had flexibility and depth to our list..

Wilkie, JSOS and Howard are all capable backs, all with different strengths to complement each other. If Howard and King both have cleans bills of health I would be relaxed about not securing another tall defender/forward.


Caminiti I see as being able to play either end. But currently I would rate as a better back than forward.

Keeler I see as capable at either end, but not as advance as Caminiti. I think however the change in focus to build up Keeler's body late in the season will make him a better player in 2026. I would certainly rate him as capable depth. But hopefully he will be more than that.

Barrat and Tauru are the two youngest players on our list. Both have also played both ends. Though at present both are more backs. Barrat still raw. Taura is an exciting mark and spoiler and in this reads the play well, but needs to refine his ball use and general play and his disposal decisions which lack at present.

TDK means that Marshall will be a big utility when not rucking. Can float down back, as well as be a key forward, or just float around the ground adding marking power.

King as FF. With Sharman (who also goes ok down back), Owens and Phillipou as Third Talls. In terms of marking Higgins and Ryan are both also marking targets.

 

[akaifu]

You don’t think Caminiti and Keeler is enough depth to sit behind King, Marshall, Sharman? Or have you put a line through Keeler? If we took another tall I would be thinking defender? A lot of people have us running 4 key defenders in their best 23’s which would only leave an extremely unproven James Barrat as depth. I think a defender is needed for depth before a forward, plus I prefer what we have on our list over this kid.
I like Blake Thredgold as a defender but think we would have to trade back in to get him.

It's more a best available pick - Hetherton came into the season probably just behind Ludowyke and definitely ahead of Schubert in terms of rankings. Started the season crazy good before his injury. At this stage of our rebuild where our core is looking pretty set, I like the idea of taking high risk high reward sliding late picks who've missed their draft year through injury but previously had been highly rated eg. Hetherton, Ludowyke, MiniPou, Emmett, Sam Allen; and even guys who played through injury and probably hurt their draft stocks as a result eg. Oudshoorn-Bennier

Idk if Keeler makes it, and Caminiti will never be more than just a solid ruck/fwd or backup entirely bc he's not naturally gifted athletically IMO. Apart from King we don't have any key fwds with upside to become A-grade

I agree that we need a defender but Thredgold is the only one in this draft. Curtin is an outside chance but Ross has always favoured more athletic full backs IIRC - which is not Curtin at all. There are more raw guys like Jacob Marron and Bryce Sanders who may be decent choices in the rookie draft

In terms of needs I wouldn't mind a winger, and late in the draft is where most good wingers come from. Like the look of Hunter Holmes and Blake Chambers

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

You don’t think Caminiti and Keeler is enough depth to sit behind King, Marshall, Sharman? Or have you put a line through Keeler? If we took another tall I would be thinking defender? A lot of people have us running 4 key defenders in their best 23’s which would only leave an extremely unproven James Barrat as depth. I think a defender is needed for depth before a forward, plus I prefer what we have on our list over this kid.
I like Blake Thredgold as a defender but think we would have to trade back in to get him.

Rookie Derksen & can play him back, pick Hetherton in the draft.
Wouldnt hurt to have another developing key forward.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

If Fincher is bid on in the 20's & we dont match & then we want a similar type.
I'd be looking at Tom Blamires, won the fothergill medal & is seriously versatile.
A hard working 23 y.o kid, who will do his best in any given role.
I could see him as a small lockdown defender with us.

 

[Max the great]

Let's see if he can get on the field. Absolutely disappointed with his output. This is why we have won one flag in 4 billion years, the embrace of mediocrity. Fancy being satisfied with his performance so far.
You are banned from reading my track reports. I command you to scroll past.

Wait a second. You now have a fixation on Matteaus been a disappointment? Everyone who understands football can see the extreme talent he has. Injuries have hampered him to the maximum. He will be an out and out superstar.
But the funniest thing is you mention we embrace mediocrity but had a weird obsession with players like Weller, Dunstan and Jones didn't you? If my memory serves me correctly? 3 of the worst and players to ever wear our Jumper. You like to make divisive opinions to try to look intellectually superior. It's very weird!

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Wait a second. You now have a fixation on Matteaus been a disappointment? Everyone who understands football can see the extreme talent he has. Injuries have hampered him to the maximum. He will be an out and out superstar.
But the funniest thing is you mention we embrace mediocrity but had a weird obsession with players like Weller, Dunstan and Jones didn't you? If my memory serves me correctly? 3 of the worst and players to ever wear our Jumper. You like to make divisive opinions to try to look intellectually superior. It's very weird!

Joff is joking